Designing a new Single Cut is a PITA! - Page 2

Paul Rhoney · 08-05-2012, 11:38 PM

Regarding single-cuts, look at it like this... You can only deviate so much before it's not a single-cut anymore. Staying within the realms and definition of what a single-cut is, you create a shape that you like. Look around and you might find a few other guys that make a single-cut with a similar, maybe even too-similar profile. Fine. Maybe yours is overall bigger or smaller. Also fine. Chances are, you're not going to put the same pickguard on yours as the other guy(s). Maybe yours has a carved top, the similar ones don't. Chances are, you might also prefer to use some different hardware, woods, bindings, finish, etc.. The end user will determine if yours is the one they want over the similar designs.

H.E.L.Shane · 08-06-2012, 08:34 AM

Meh.. just get it how you like it... put a Kauer headstock on it and hit it with some gaudy flake!!!!

It'll rawk!

dougk · 08-06-2012, 01:13 PM

Paul you're absolutely right. Both designs on the table right now are unique and are not copies directly of any one particular thing but it is such treaded water that its tough not to draw similarities over certain aspects.

That being said, I'm always amazed how many people come up to me and say "Wow your Daylighter is a lot like (something completely different than I ever thought)..."

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Originally Posted by H.E.L.Shane

Meh.. just get it how you like it... put a Kauer headstock on it and hit it with some gaudy flake!!!!

It'll rawk!

Sounds like a plan!

szlash280z · 08-06-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dougk

Paul you're absolutely right. Both designs on the table right now are unique and are not copies directly of any one particular thing but it is such treaded water that its tough not to draw similarities over certain aspects.

That being said, I'm always amazed how many people come up to me and say "Wow your Daylighter is a lot like (something completely different than I ever thought)..."

Sounds like a plan!

FWIW, I've never thought your Daylighter looked like any other guitar. It looks like a complete original to me.

bruce bennett · 08-06-2012, 01:28 PM

dougk, just turn the machines on and Burn one man!

dougk · 08-06-2012, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bruce bennett

dougk, just turn the machines on and Burn one man!

already did... 3 of one, just about to run the other. Time wait for no man ('s indecision LOL)

melomanarock · 08-06-2012, 02:08 PM

I guess we are too used to see the classics and it's hard to imagine something outside of that, or think outside the box. I'm sure people thought that everything was done until PRS or Parker guitars were made. I'm sure most of us think that in music it's pretty much everything done, but hopefuly a new Hendrix or Cobain will come along and turn the table (god let it be soon..).

I think that you should start avoiding the pre-concept, like "I'll make a modified lester" and just start from scratch, design a fresh guitar and then you can slowly take it to where you like it.

Daniel · 08-06-2012, 02:14 PM

I've had all kinds of bright ideas and by the time I've looked at my sketch more than once I've scrapped them due to fugglyness.

Knarbens · 08-06-2012, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by szlash280z

FWIW, I've never thought your Daylighter looked like any other guitar. It looks like a complete original to me.

Even the Daylighter is influenced by existing designs! But hey ... I think it doesn't matter! One has to do what one like, add some brand specific details and creative ideas and as long as it looks good and sells well ...

I know it's great to come up with own, original ideas but (let me use this foolish example) one can only write words with the existing letters, right?

yawny · 08-06-2012, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dougk

That being said, I'm always amazed how many people come up to me and say "Wow your Daylighter is a lot like (something completely different than I ever thought)..."

I saw that Music Radar described your Daylighter had "the offset lines of the Jaguar" I had never even considered the two similar, and my reaction was essentially.

Rapdog · 08-06-2012, 03:12 PM

Don't feel bad. I designed a style that is a cross between a tele and a les paul, but when I settled on a design a while back I saw Bartlett had built one that looked just like it. Bah. I am not trying to sell any so I guess that is my only relief. Looking forward to your new style. The day lighter has really grown on me. JR

dougk · 08-10-2012, 10:51 PM

OK, here's a teaser of the new thing!

<evil>meewhwhhahahahhahaha</laugh>

Barnaby · 08-10-2012, 10:59 PM

Bo Diddley?

captain tightpants · 08-10-2012, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dougk

OK, here's a teaser of the new thing!

<evil>meewhwhhahahahhahaha</laugh>

You evil bitch

dougk · 08-10-2012, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barnaby

Bo Diddley?

easier than designing a single cut! LOL

Quote:

Originally Posted by captain tightpants

You evil bitch

I know... I can't help it.

Here's a pretty picture to make up for it

captain tightpants · 08-10-2012, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dougk

I know... I can't help it.

Here's a pretty picture to make up for it

Knarbens · 08-11-2012, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dougk

OK, here's a teaser of the new thing!

<evil>meewhwhhahahahhahaha</laugh>

Sure, it's original and unique, yet a little too square-edged for my taste.
Also the neck seems a little short.

TKOjams · 08-11-2012, 02:49 AM

I like it, that's all I'm sayin'

MRJ · 08-11-2012, 06:44 AM

A one fret Bo Diddly replica in black!

LessPaulMoreCowbell · 08-11-2012, 07:25 AM

I dunno Doug, I played with the contrast a bit in that photo and I'm getting something faint....
Not sure about this....

free2rock · 08-11-2012, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dougk

OK, here's a teaser of the new thing!

<evil>meewhwhhahahahhahaha</laugh>

Better than sex

dougk · 08-11-2012, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knarbens

Sure, it's original and unique, yet a little too square-edged for my taste.
Also the neck seems a little short.

Lol... I just plain ran out of ideas.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TKOjams

I like it, that's all I'm sayin'

Thanks!

Quote:

Originally Posted by MRJ

A one fret Bo Diddly replica in black!

Steve got tired of sanding curves.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LessPaulMoreCowbell

I dunno Doug, I played with the contrast a bit in that photo and I'm getting something faint....
Not sure about this....

Greatest. Photoshop. Ever. LOL seriously!

Ok it's not an LP, it didn't even start as one but it absolutely has Daylighter DNA and enough single cut to make mop members happy I think.

Now the bad news... I'm not sharing till I release it at namm in jan.

captain tightpants · 08-11-2012, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dougk

Lol... I just plain ran out of ideas.

Thanks!

Steve got tired of sanding curves.

Greatest. Photoshop. Ever. LOL seriously!

Ok it's not an LP, it didn't even start as one but it absolutely has Daylighter DNA and enough single cut to make mop members happy I think.

Now the bad news... I'm not sharing till I release it at namm in jan.

TEASING BITCH!!!

blues24 · 08-11-2012, 08:47 AM

I like the original Daylighter shape.... They were made for us "BIG MEN".

ihavenofish · 08-11-2012, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dougk

OK, here's a teaser of the new thing!

<evil>meewhwhhahahahhahaha</laugh>

sorry, thats just a blatant copy of this:

xxAKSxx · 08-11-2012, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ihavenofish

sorry, thats just a blatant copy of this:

wtf is that

burn it burn ittt...

(with fire of course)

dougk · 08-11-2012, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blues24

I like the original Daylighter shape.... They were made for us "BIG MEN".

The new one is only a 1/2" narrower. It's still pretty big. I guess I just like em thick and big lol

blues24 · 08-11-2012, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dougk

The new one is only a 1/2" narrower. It's still pretty big. I guess I just like em thick and big lol

Nice!!!!

schaapie · 08-11-2012, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxAKSxx

wtf is that

burn it burn ittt...

(with fire of course)

Bo diddly signature Gretsch

The Refugee · 08-11-2012, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dougk

OK, here's a teaser of the new thing!

<evil>meewhwhhahahahhahaha</laugh>

... bastard

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Paul Rhoney Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 32 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Designing a new Single Cut is a PITA! Regarding single-cuts, look at it like this... You can only deviate so much before it's not a single-cut anymore. Staying within the realms and definition of what a single-cut is, you create a shape that you like. Look around and you might find a few other guys that make a single-cut with a similar, maybe even too-similar profile. Fine. Maybe yours is overall bigger or smaller. Also fine. Chances are, you're not going to put the same pickguard on yours as the other guy(s). Maybe yours has a carved top, the similar ones don't. Chances are, you might also prefer to use some different hardware, woods, bindings, finish, etc.. The end user will determine if yours is the one they want over the similar designs.

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melomanarock Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Argentina Posts: 118 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Designing a new Single Cut is a PITA! I guess we are too used to see the classics and it's hard to imagine something outside of that, or think outside the box. I'm sure people thought that everything was done until PRS or Parker guitars were made. I'm sure most of us think that in music it's pretty much everything done, but hopefuly a new Hendrix or Cobain will come along and turn the table (god let it be soon..). I think that you should start avoiding the pre-concept, like "I'll make a modified lester" and just start from scratch, design a fresh guitar and then you can slowly take it to where you like it.

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