Ballpark Price of paint and refinish?

[Spaceacex]

What would a ballpark price be to repaint and finish a guitar? I'm thinking of doing this to a Firebird VII.

I'm asking for an average ballpark figure give or take so I know what to expect price wise.

Thanks!

[Dave@Martin6String]

$800 to $900 from a quality and experienced guy.

Could be a bit more depending on what condition it is in and what you want done.

[bruce bennett]

http://www.simscustomshop.com/

no need to guess, this guy will tell you outright EXACTLY what it will be

AND...................

it WILL be the best paint job you will ever see on any guitar.

[pfox14]

$800-900 seems high to me. I would say more like $600-650

[Spaceacex]

Originally Posted by bruce bennett

Custom Guitar Refinishing & Painting

no need to guess, this guy will tell you outright EXACTLY what it will be

AND...................

it WILL be the best paint job you will ever see on any guitar.

Way too many complaints on this guy to take a chance and send my guitar to him.

[dwagar]

I'd suggest you put a quick call into a couple places, try BCR, RS.

[ibanezcollector]

300-500 depending, some of these quotes are outrageous. I do lacquer jobs for $300, aged for $400

Im not sure where these are, but I would steer way clear of Patrick Sims, he has numerous people waiting for their guitars, and some pending law suits against him.

[gator payne]

I know nothing about this guy. I have never meet him, I have never even heard of him. That said Even if we have an opinion Forums are not the place to post slanderious comments about an individual.

Im not saying this guy is good or bad. That is up to the market and the courts to decide. Im just saying this is not the place to call someone a cheat, thief or any slanderious name.

perfectly fine to say you would not recommend him because, but out and out accusal is a dangerous game.

[ibanezcollector]

this is exactly where to post it to prevent others from the same thing.

[gator payne]

Originally Posted by ibanezcollector

this is exactly where to post it to prevent others from the same thing.

I do agree this is a place to warn, but not to accuse was my point. there is a difference between warning and making sladerious accusations.

I agree this is a place to say something like there are bad reviews and lots of people are still waiting on their instruments back and even (if true) there is ledigation pending

It is another thing to accuse him publicly of ripping off and cheating people all over the place. That is what I mean by slanderious. Warnings are good tings to happen here. Slander as in accusations is a bad thing to have happen here.

We can warn without being slandrious

The way your post reads now is the right way to do it

[Dave@Martin6String]

Originally Posted by ibanezcollector

300-500 depending, some of these quotes are outrageous. I do lacquer jobs for $300, aged for $400

Im not sure where these are, but I would steer way clear of Patrick Sims, he has numerous people waiting for their guitars, and some pending law suits against him.

If you do a refin on a set neck guitar and do a quality job for that price, you are loosing your ass due to the time you will have wrapped up to do it right. You can do what you want and charge what you want, I am just saying. A guy who does this day in and day out and has the experience to do it right, knows what their time is worth.

[ibanezcollector]

I have been doing refinishes for 10+ years, Its not hard, its not difficult, does it take time sure a little, but I do it because I like it.

$300-$400 is not expensive, its not cheap either, its the going rate at many shops, others can take advantage of people, others raise the price to make time so they dont get so many.

There is no right and wrong only what a customer will pay and what a person wants in return.

[Reverend D]

You get what you pay for, there's no two ways around it. If you can find a guy who is willing to worth for nothing and puts in hours on a refinish excellent go for it. You want custom paint, hand over your wallet and don't whine it won't be cheap.

Regards,

Don

[gator payne]

i will put a bit different spin on this.

There are lots of struggeling luthiers and finishers out there; and by struggeling I mean are still in the stage that they are unknown for the most part and trying to make their way in the business that can do a good job and are willing to do it for a discounted price because they are trying to drum up the business or they have yet really figured out what their work is worth.

Then there are experienced pros that really don't need to drum up new business and do great work but are at a point that they charge a price that is fair but accuratly quoted for the hours and materials required to do a pro job.

Then there are renown luthiers and finishers that charge a premium price because their work is in demand do to their experience and accomplishments.

This is what you pay for: moderate experience, professional experience, or accomplished experience.

The trick is finding what best suits your needs.

[pinefd]

^^^ Perfect!

[Spaceacex]

Nice. Thanks for all of your feedback. has anyone gotten their guitar done by RS Guitar Works? Any pics?

[ibanezcollector]

I still think its hysterical some say professionals versus new luthiers haha.

How do you know the new guy to you wasnt a professional? Take me per say I ran vintaged guitars I made over a 1000 instruments, I was known in the likes of Nash, and RS Guitarworks, even had to send some people to RS because I didnt have time.

I did paint work on Sadowsky and Valenti Basses. Etc.

But I had some health issues and closed shop, but since you dont know me, you group me in the newbie luthier who doesnt know what his time is worth category. Which is ignorant. Your judging a book by not even seeing the cover.

Not all refinishers or luthiers charge outrageous amounts, not all that charge triple what some do are better. You dont always get what you pay for. I have fixed plenty of guitars that were half assed by professional as you cal them refinishers.

High End finishers also know how to cut corners and rush work, and low end finishers also can do shady work at times, its a matter of knowing who your paying. Not how much your paying.

Think about that for a while.

[gator payne]

I would call my self a professional. I would never cut corners. I was raised by a professional craftsman that never cut a corner in his life. He taught me if i am going to put my work out there i should always only put my best into the process. I'm sure there are so called
Pros out there that cut corner but they don't last.

I hope I'm reading you wrong but you seem to have a bit of sand in your gaul for pros for some reason or another. Not sure why

[bruce bennett]

Originally Posted by Spaceacex

Way too many complaints on this guy to take a chance and send my guitar to him.

they are ALL bogus complaints, created by a nut job that has never sent him a guitar. the guy just decided to make him his own pet project for whatever reaon.

I use this guy for ALL my paint work, and his shop is across town from me.. if Something goes wrong..

I'LL PERSONALLY go over there and either get it and ship it back or stand there while he finishes it .. why you ask would I offer that. because I'm tired of the internet ruining peoples lives with all its BS, Myths, and rumors.
Patrick and I have ad several conversations about this.. its ALL BS!



and Ibanez collector that not true he has not 1 lawsuit pending from anyone. and he is one of the best painters i know. and I've tried tons

BTW how do we know YOUR not the nut job trying to bury his competition?

[gator payne]

Originally Posted by bruce bennett

they are ALL bogus complaints, created by a nut job that has never sent him a guitar. the guy just decided to make him his own pet project for whatever reaon.

I use this guy for ALL my paint work, and his shop is across town from me.. if Something goes wrong..

I'LL PERSONALLY go over there and either get it and ship it back or stand there while he finishes it .. why you ask would I offer that. because I'm tired of the internet ruining peoples lives with all its BS, Myths, and rumors.
Patrick and I have ad several conversations about this.. its ALL BS!



and Ibanez collector that not true he has not 1 lawsuit pending from anyone. and he is one of the best painters i know. and I've tried tons

BTW how do we know YOUR not the nut job trying to bury his competition?

Good on you Bruce

Being a person that has had bogous Internet rant brought agint me solely because I declined a commission where the client insisted in participating in the construction of a possible order, I prase you for setting the record straight. By the time my ordeal was over their we're four people that never commissioned a thing from me were claiming I was months late on delivery of their guitars. If it is in print on the net it surely must be true right?

[ibanezcollector]

there is like a 27 page thread over a jemsite about Patrick and lots of people all sharing he same stories he took their guitars and never did the work nor returned them. A person here has gone through the same thing LOL sooooo... I dont paint professionally anymore just a few here and there. So I am not out to smear his name but I do have a close personal friend going through exactly what others are going through and will not let anyone else be taken.

http://www.jemsite.com/forums/f29/pa...ighlight=simms

As I said before buyer beware.


And for the other person simply stating that not always does higher cost = better product. Who would think we would pay 2.5k for woods like richlite and baked maple. Perfect example.

[bruce bennett]

Originally Posted by ibanezcollector

there is like a 27 page thread over a jemsite about Patrick and lots of people all sharing he same stories he took their guitars and never did the work nor returned them. A person here has gone through the same thing LOL sooooo... I dont paint professionally anymore just a few here and there. So I am not out to smear his name but I do have a close personal friend going through exactly what others are going through and will not let anyone else be taken.

http://www.jemsite.com/forums/f29/pa...ighlight=simms

As I said before buyer beware.


And for the other person simply stating that not always does higher cost = better product. Who would think we would pay 2.5k for woods like richlite and baked maple. Perfect example.

I'm completely aware of the Jemsite threads. ever note the dates?

these all happend prior to and during Patrick's Brain tumor surgery.

The man had his skull opened up and then had to spent over a year recuperateing in a dark room, he wears those scars today, I've personally seen them and you should note that I MYSELF even commented in those threads in a negative manner. because prior to be dianosed, Patrick Sims was not functioning as any normal person would have. and so mistakes were made, too much time was taken. but ALL of those issues have been cleared there are no loose ends that I'm aware of ,
and rest assured that I can't afford to be burned any more than any of us could, perhaps even less so, because I'm rowing the same boat Patrick Sims is. trying to build the best possible quality product in a reasonable time frame and with numerous obsticles to deal with daily. and often doing it with zero cash flow.

but, after recovering from his surgery, and the fire in his shop, in 2010, a hazard that can befall any paint shop AND his insurance paid off on ALL claims of burned or destroyed guitars so there are NO outstanding lawsuits or clams against SCS.
he has been nothing short of a model worker, with an even better product. and his list of clients has done nothing but grow. and he has even learned to say "no" to jobs that he knows can't be done in a timely fashion.

So if anyone has a legit claim against Patrick Sims, let him speak now and provide the proof, or just let this go.

at what point do you cut a man a little slack. no one can do the perfect job 24/7, and one man shops have it rougher than any other, because if that one man falters even a small amount, the wolves are waiting to eat him alive.

[ibanezcollector]

there are people still having issues with him not just before, I have talked to patrick quite a few times, so im not witch hunting, he still has peoples stuff and still takes on new work.

What part of people still havent got their guitars back cant you understand? if he still has others stuff why is he taking on new work?

[bruce bennett]

I just got off the phone with Patrick and I asked him point blank Did he have any lawsuits or outstanding claims

he stated that when his shop burned down in 2010 that his insurance paid all the claims for lost or destroyed instruments and that he has NEVER been sued . he says he was THREATENED a few times prior to his brain tumor surgury. but no one has ever actually filed any suits against him and that no one has lost any money with him.

[bruce bennett]

Originally Posted by ibanezcollector

there are people still having issues with him not just before, I have talked to patrick quite a few times, so im not witch hunting, he still has peoples stuff and still takes on new work.

What part of people still havent got their guitars back cant you understand? if he still has others stuff why is he taking on new work?

I will need names sir. I WILL find out exactly where these pieces are and why they aren't done. IF they truely exisit. but personally I doubt they do.

I have been in his shop. I can tell you that there are precious few guitars sitting around. his work comes in and goes out faster than most other painters I know.

[ibanezcollector]

So either hes lying to you, or your just in good with him. I will be happy to point people to this thread so they can chime in.

From Jemsite dated Fed 2012, I will not quote the whole part since it includes all of Patricks personal info.

My Lawyer has sent lawsuit papers to him and also naming his wife Nancy as well for
theft of services for using her PP account to collect money. My story is not unlike others. Sent guitar for refinish in 4 months ago. Estimated 6 - 8 weeks. Nothing but lies and procrastination from this crook. Good luck.

[gator payne]

Enough this can't go anywhere good frm here!

[szlash280z]

Originally Posted by gator payne

Enough this can't go anywhere good frm here!

yeah! it sure went downhill in this thread! you guys should P.M. this hearsay stuff!

[bruce bennett]

Originally Posted by ibanezcollector

So either hes lying to you, or your just in good with him. I will be happy to point people to this thread so they can chime in.

From Jemsite dated Fed 2012, I will not quote the whole part since it includes all of Patricks personal info.

My Lawyer has sent lawsuit papers to him and also naming his wife Nancy as well for
theft of services for using her PP account to collect money. My story is not unlike others. Sent guitar for refinish in 4 months ago. Estimated 6 - 8 weeks. Nothing but lies and procrastination from this crook. Good luck.

Patrick is not now and never has been, married. and I've known him since he was 21 years old and his girlfriends name is not Nancy.

and I agree with Gator, take this PM if you have something to say. these accusations no longer need to be public

[ibanezcollector]

His F Rating on Better Business Bureau with 40+ complaints registered against him. Its not an accusation if I am proving proof.

http://www.bbb.org/chattanooga/busin...ga-tn-40051618

Im sorry dude but im showing actual facts your just saying what you want with out providing anything to back it up. He has been banned on almost every message board. He has numerous complaints all over the web, negative ebay feedback, hell there is even a website someone made to make people aware.