Ballpark Price of paint and refinish?

[bruce bennett]

Originally Posted by ibanezcollector

His F Rating on Better Business Bureau with 40+ complaints registered against him.

http://www.bbb.org/chattanooga/busin...ga-tn-40051618

Im sorry dude but im showing actual facts your just saying what you want with out providing anything to back it up. He has been banned on almost every message board. He has numerous complaints all over the web, negative ebay feedback, hell there is even a website someone made to make people aware.

all anyone would need is your business'es name and in a month you'll have an F rateing too.

and I'm not threatening anything just saying that there is a lots of ways people can use to fabricate something.

and how is stateing the fact that I've known ( as well as half the musicians in Chattanoga) that Patrick is not, nor never has been married not showing a fact, Its not like I can show you a nonexisitant marrige license duh.

and the better business buearu is a joke and anyone that has ever had a legit business knows this. they have no power to do anything except log complaints... they verify NOTHING

but THIS is exactly WHY these internet rumors are so devastating... its almost like that Sandra Bullock movie "The Net" all it takes is a few choice words in the right forums ,a phony website and some emails or phone calls to the local BBB and wham your a crook.

baloney.

I'm done with this nonsense. ya'll make up your own minds.

[ibanezcollector]

Ok your right, all this proof means nothing your word protecting a friend is better then the 1000's of complaints around the web, the BBB, Ebay Feedback, being booted from Forums, kicked off of manufactures links, etc that I can provide means nothing.

LOL so funny, its quite hysterical actually.

[gator payne]

Here again this why accusations on such a forum are bad idea.

All I know for proof positive about all this is that Bruce is as straight shooting as anyone I know. I under stand him standing up and defending someone he knows.

Ibenzcollector forgive me for saying this all you have mention so far has been third party claims.

I know Bruce will under stand what I am saying and I hope you will as well ibenezcollector. It is time to end this part of this topic now. It is doing no one any good. This is not the place to to defame anyone's reputation, be it deserved or not. This is not a gossip page. So for the benifit of the forum please end this now before this thread gets to the point that this thread needs deleted.

[Spaceacex]

Originally Posted by bruce bennett

Patrick is not now and never has been, married. and I've known him since he was 21 years old and his girlfriends name is not Nancy.

and I agree with Gator, take this PM if you have something to say. these accusations no longer need to be public

Either way for someone like me who's nowhere near his shop. With everything I've read in other forums and including the BBB rating. There is no way in my right mind I'd take take a chance is all I'm saying.

I'm not here to bash anyone but you seem to be taking this thing way to personally. Lets move this thing along. I came here for suggestions not a back n forth battle.

[Spaceacex]

Originally Posted by gator payne

Here again this why accusations on such a forum are bad idea.

All I know for proof positive about all this is that Bruce is as straight shooting as anyone I know. I under stand him standing up and defending someone he knows.

Ibenzcollector forgive me for saying this all you have mention so far has been third party claims.

I know Bruce will under stand what I am saying and I hope you will as well ibenezcollector. It is time to end this part of this topic now. It is doing no one any good. This is not the place to to defame anyone's reputation, be it deserved or not. This is not a gossip page. So for the benifit of the forum please end this now before this thread gets to the point that this thread needs deleted.

In all fairness gator. This started with good willed suggestions and someone seemed to take it way too personal causing a snowball effect. I did my own research and decided it would be a risk I'm not willing to take is all...

Lets Move on please....

[gator payne]

Ok now I'm the fall guy some how my only point though out this whole mess was that this was the only possible outcome when you call someone names or make accusations. If you followed this form the first the person in question was called a cheat and scam artist. I requested that slanderous accusations be left out. I said that making a warning is fine but slander and accusations should be left out.

To his credit Ibenzcollector removed that comment. It shold have ended right there but he kept bringing back up over and over. It sure seemed to me that it had become an agenda to keep it going.

I have been clear I don't know the guy involed. I don't know the history behind it but he is not hear to defend himself. Having been in a situation where people that I had never even spoken with more less ever did actual work for decided to jump on a gripe wagon that a perspective client that I decline to do work for stated. I knew jut what this would turn into.

I don't give a damn if the charges are true or not. This went way past a warning and became a mission to convince the world that this guy is scum. That is pointless does no one any good. The sad part is from the best I can tell Ibenzcollector does not even have a personal experience with this guy. If he did then his passion would at least make some sense.

Anyway my only point is that warning of bad reviews is fine but making accusations without the person accoused present to speak for himself is just plain poor ethics.

[ibanezcollector]

Ok this will be my last post on this. I will state this one more time I have no hidden agenda. Mr Sims has ripped off many people I know, I have dealt with him in the past. I was lucky.

I am a very active member on Jemsite some of those people dealing with Patrick are like family to me, just as Bruce is with Patrick here. So its obvious that I am going to come off as the bad guy do to low post count. But the evidence is all there its not an accusation its truth. I have provided plenty of information and why you ask what was the agenda? It was Bruce claiming that Patrick Sims is a martyr and good business man with out backing up his claims with anything that Patrick didnt rip people off besides his own thoughts.

So each time he opened his mouth I hit him right in it with more factual proof. Go look at RS Guitarworks BBB perfect why you ask? Because they do good business. Go look at Patricks again..

Yeah he wont respond to the BBB inquiries. Just like he doesnt respond to the people he has taken. He has gone as far as not even having a phone number on his website anymore. By doing this he eliminates any chance of and client getting a hold of him. He then can email at his own will, and the customer sits and has to wait.

I dont care what anyone says. He is/has ripped a lot of people off. It is proven time and time again. His negative feedback on ebay, his being banned from every forum, his sponsored links being revoked on many sites, his BBB report is full of complaints, and for every 1 good thing said about him there is 10 bad when you search his name.

I dont stand up for people like this, but its apparent some of you do which is quite disgusting to me. I love this place just like I do jemsite, sevenstring.org, etc all places he has been banned from. I dont want to see any of my fellow les paul brothers/sisters losing their instruments.

So with that being said hate me or like me, I am not going to stand for people like this it hurts the whole community, and by whole I mean all the forums he has done this on, not just here.

[Spaceacex]

Ok, Now that that whole back n forth is over with.

Does anyone have experience with RS Guitarworks? If so any pics of your guitars done?

Thanks

[gator payne]

Actually that is exactly what caused the issue. It was a back in forth with one party that has regular business with him and someone that does not.

Please best if this thead dies a quick death

[Spaceacex]

Originally Posted by gator payne

Actually that is exactly what caused the issue. It was a back in forth with one party that has regular business with him and someone that does not.

Please best if this thead dies a quick death

It would help if you don't post on the subject then. Move along....

[djrussell]

I say you refinish it yourself Spaceacex There is heaps of tutorials on here and if you start a thread we'd all be happy to give advice... it can actually be quite fun, you might enjoy it and it'll save you a few hundred bucks You can probably refinish it yourself for about $50-60 ... a couple of cans of lacquer and a can of spray paint and some tape.

Maybe I missed it (lots of off-topic talk in here) but what colour were you looking to finish it in?

[bruce bennett]

SpaceaceX perhaps you should look closer to your home.

I mean there are plenty of fine luthiers that do their own paintwork in your state
(New York is a big state, so if you could give us a a city name it could help narrow it down)

but most builders will take on a paint job. and a few phone calls will work wonders.

as For RS guitar works, they are in KY not to far from me. I've used them for relic work.. but nothing else. they do a very nice "beat to death guitar"

My go to guy for vintage correct nitro style paint is Mark Piper of Redentore guitars. he was in Columbia TN, but has since moved to TX.
you may not wish to send yout guitar that far away. But Mark is excellent and has a great price. but it IS a Nitro styled job so it can take a minimum of 8 weeks IF nothing goes worng.. and it something does go wrong, it will be double that.

Stike who hangs out here and over a t The Gear Page is a specialist in Sparkle jobs
DougK also does great paint work.. not sure if he will take on commissioned work but hes very accessable around here.

Dean Campbell of Campbell-American guitars is in Boston and his paint work is awesome. and I'm very sure that depending on where your located, there are some very fine builders in your area, you just need to look them up. I know that there are at least 3 very well know builders in the woodstock area.

EDIT: I just remembered about this site too.
http://www.repairmyguitar.com/

I've used it for several years now, and it works pretty well. its based on your zip code. and the rateings are customer based.

[emoney]

You know, he's right, as hard as that is to admit (just kiddin', bruce). There are lots of
talented guys closer to home than RS, not that I'm anti-RS or anything (especially since
I'm originally from Kentucky), but many of them are right here in this forum. You may
want to PM a couple of the regular builders as a lot of guys don't/won't solicit work, but
are more than qualified to do a great job. I'm not pointing anyone specific out, simply
because I don't want to overlook anyone, but I can assure you there are plenty of people
willing to do the job at a reasonable price that are active in the forum.

[Spaceacex]

Originally Posted by djrussell

I say you refinish it yourself Spaceacex There is heaps of tutorials on here and if you start a thread we'd all be happy to give advice... it can actually be quite fun, you might enjoy it and it'll save you a few hundred bucks You can probably refinish it yourself for about $50-60 ... a couple of cans of lacquer and a can of spray paint and some tape.

Maybe I missed it (lots of off-topic talk in here) but what colour were you looking to finish it in?

If I had a house with a backyard or garage I'd love to give it a go. I'm in an apartment complex so that'll be tough.

Looking forward to purchasing a home to have more flexibility.

Edit: Planning on Alpine White with gold hardware.

[Spaceacex]

Originally Posted by bruce bennett

SpaceaceX perhaps you should look closer to your home.

I mean there are plenty of fine luthiers that do their own paintwork in your state
(New York is a big state, so if you could give us a a city name it could help narrow it down)

but most builders will take on a paint job. and a few phone calls will work wonders.

as For RS guitar works, they are in KY not to far from me. I've used them for relic work.. but nothing else. they do a very nice "beat to death guitar"

My go to guy for vintage correct nitro style paint is Mark Piper of Redentore guitars. he was in Columbia TN, but has since moved to TX.
you may not wish to send yout guitar that far away. But Mark is excellent and has a great price. but it IS a Nitro styled job so it can take a minimum of 8 weeks IF nothing goes worng.. and it something does go wrong, it will be double that.

Stike who hangs out here and over a t The Gear Page is a specialist in Sparkle jobs
DougK also does great paint work.. not sure if he will take on commissioned work but hes very accessable around here.

Dean Campbell of Campbell-American guitars is in Boston and his paint work is awesome. and I'm very sure that depending on where your located, there are some very fine builders in your area, you just need to look them up. I know that there are at least 3 very well know builders in the woodstock area.

EDIT: I just remembered about this site too.
Guitar Repair Directory - Get Broken Guitar Repair Help

I've used it for several years now, and it works pretty well. its based on your zip code. and the rateings are customer based.

Thanks Bruce!

[djrussell]

Originally Posted by Spaceacex

If I had a house with a backyard or garage I'd love to give it a go. I'm in an apartment complex so that'll be tough.

Looking forward to purchasing a home to have more flexibility.

Edit: Planning on Alpine White with gold hardware.

Sorry, hadnt considered that. You could do up a spray booth (and line the ground with plastic sheeting à la Dexter lol) but its probably too risky.

[Reverend D]

Man this forum has changed a lot, its not the place it used to be.

Regards,

Don

[gator payne]

Originally Posted by Spaceacex

It would help if you don't post on the subject then. Move along....

thanks Not trying to cause the problem I was only trying to avoid it beign started again. I hope you have good luck finding a finisher.

[MastrXploder]

Originally Posted by bruce bennett

I will need names sir. I WILL find out exactly where these pieces are and why they aren't done. IF they truely exisit. but personally I doubt they do.

I have been in his shop. I can tell you that there are precious few guitars sitting around. his work comes in and goes out faster than most other painters I know.

Hello bruce, it looks like you really would like to fix a problem if there is one. I appreciate that. I can assure you, I have one. I cant seem to PM you, could you PM me? I would love for you to assist with my problem as I havent been able to get ahold of patrick for over 6 months now and I really dont want to start a complaint thread that ends up going nowhere haha. Thank you so much!

And yes I realize this is my first post but Ive never even owned a Les paul and so I never even knew about this community.

[joesatch]

Originally Posted by bruce bennett

Custom Guitar Refinishing & Painting

no need to guess, this guy will tell you outright EXACTLY what it will be

AND...................

it WILL be the best paint job you will ever see on any guitar.

Absolutely avoid this guy. I sent him my body and $400 about 4 years ago. Never got anything back. Wont answer emails or calls. He's screwed alot of people, so much so that there is a simswarning site about him. Also reported to the BBB.

Also, i am offering a reward of $200 to anyone here that can get him to send me my stuff back (finished body or money and/or body that i sent him). PM me for details.

[Ayrton]

I used Patrick for several jobs a few years ago, never again after the last one.

I have used Marty Bell ever since and have no complaints. Great work, and quick turn around.

[dragsternj]

What Ayrton said. Have had 2 guitars done by Marty, both perfect in a timely fashion. Very pleasant.

Would stay as far as you can away from Sims or you may loose your guitar and money. Have had own experience.

[Kalz]

my luthier gives me a discount. Charges me around 450 normal price is about 600. Business is in downtown chicago so of course it's a bit more pricey

[Guitarcats]

Originally Posted by bruce bennett

I will need names sir. I WILL find out exactly where these pieces are and why they aren't done. IF they truely exisit. but personally I doubt they do.

I have been in his shop. I can tell you that there are precious few guitars sitting around. his work comes in and goes out faster than most other painters I know.

Sorry Bruce but that statement is full of crap. I have been waiting for almost a year for my guitar and haven't heard from Pat since August 1st. He has emailed me several times claiming that my guitar was finished and I would receive soon but why do I not have my guitar back. My name is Joey and it's the Gibson SG finished in pelham blue. On Monday I will be filing a stolen property and fraud claim with the police.

[engage757]

Originally Posted by bruce bennett

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Bruce,

I personally know several friends that have sent him guitars and paid in full and are still waiting years later. No offense meant, but maybe the reason you have had good experiences is because he has known you for a long time and he knows you live across town from him and he can't hide.

No matter what, I also know of several lawsuits that were filed against him as well.


You may be(read, probably are) having the wool pulled over your eyes.

[Bluesdj]

I'm going a different route with this...I too have had my guitar at Simms' shop since Jan/12 (the price was right and he had a good rep for quality - too bad I didn't dig deeper to get completely scared off; sometimes you can't believe what you read on the web at the best of times). If I had known I'd still be waiting, it would have gone elsewhere; a Gibson refin plus shipping both ways,would put me in for near $2K - on a guitar that costs $2200!
I have all the hardware for my guitar sitting here waiting waiting waiting...so I found a kit at Precision that will work very well -I will finish it myself. So what if it's an amateur job, at least I'll be able to enjoy the P90 sound again and the baseball bat neck. When I get my refin back from Sims I may have to sell it!
Bruce has done right by me looking into my guitar at Simms; I know it's still there! When I get to Tennessee in 2013 I'm going to pick up my guitar and be thankful.

[Bluesdj]

Finished the first kit; it plays great! and it's nice to be able to use the parts from the 'missing' guitar.