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Unread 04-16-2012, 05:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Does anyone have a source for Small Gibson Fretwire??

I have a 57 Goldtop in the shop, well its back with the customer for now, that is going to need a partial refret. I can't seem to find wire small enough, .070. The smallest I can find is Dunlop precut wire which is .075. Does anyone have a source for .070 x .030ish fret wire? Thanks for any help.

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Unread 04-16-2012, 05:35 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Does anyone have a source for Small Gibson Fretwire??

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I have a 57 Goldtop in the shop, well its back with the customer for now, that is going to need a partial refret. I can't seem to find wire small enough, .070. The smallest I can find is Dunlop precut wire which is .075. Does anyone have a source for .070 x .030ish fret wire? Thanks for any help.

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Dan,
I got a partial roll of some really narrow wire in the shop. I'm at work at the moment so when I get home tomorrow morning I'll measure what I got and get back to you. You're looking for 0.70 wide by .030 high ?
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Re: Does anyone have a source for Small Gibson Fretwire??

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I got a partial roll of some really narrow wire in the shop. I'm at work at the moment so when I get home tomorrow morning I'll measure what I got and get back to you. You're looking for 0.70 wide by .030 high ?
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Thanks Lou, that would be great. Yes, .070 wide and .030 high. I am most concerned with the .070 width. I would like the new frets the blend right in with the originals. If its up to .003 +/- it should still work for me. Thank you for checking.

The closest I have found is .063 and .075 both of which may be noticeable.
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Re: Does anyone have a source for Small Gibson Fretwire??

Hey Dan. I have found on 57's the wire is consistently closer to .074” .. actually, to be more exact, it is .0735". What serial range is this 57? I wonder if a pattern might devellop as to when the wire changed a bit. I'm sure there are manufacturing tolerances though, so variability is to be expected I suppose.
Anyway, I have used .075 and dressed the edges ever so slightly to get them down a bit before I install them. I've actually found the wire's colour to be a bit of a problem more than the size. The new stuff is a bit more white, where the old wire has a bit of a faint golden hue to it. Heating the wire can introduce a bit of this coloring to blend them if need be.
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Re: Does anyone have a source for Small Gibson Fretwire??

I measured the frets on a '56, and they measured .070/.071". I did some searching, and discovered the same thing. Nobody seems to makes the same size. I posted the question on $tewMac's facebook page. They said that nobody makes it, and Dan uses some kind of tool to shave a little of both sides until the correct size is achieved. They said they'd post a pic of the tool but never did. I imagine it being similar in concept to the Fret Barber.
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Re: Does anyone have a source for Small Gibson Fretwire??

in this case, only Eric Johnson could "see" .005

you can sand that off with just a little 400 grit

you do realize that what your going with is a "spec" number not an actual number right.. Fretwire is horribley inconsistant, actually all die drawn metals are. they can vary by as much as .007 easy.
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Re: Does anyone have a source for Small Gibson Fretwire??

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Hey Dan. I have found on 57's the wire is consistently closer to .074 .. actually, to be more exact, it is .0735". What serial range is this 57? I wonder if a pattern might devellop as to when the wire changed a bit. I'm sure there are manufacturing tolerances though, so variability is to be expected I suppose.
Anyway, I have used .075 and dressed the edges ever so slightly to get them down a bit before I install them. I've actually found the wire's colour to be a bit of a problem more than the size. The new stuff is a bit more white, where the old wire has a bit of a faint golden hue to it. Heating the wire can introduce a bit of this coloring to blend them if need be.
Tom the guitar has a stinger and no serial, but we believe it to be a very very early '57 based on the '56 pot codes.

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I measured the frets on a '56, and they measured .070/.071". I did some searching, and discovered the same thing. Nobody seems to makes the same size. I posted the question on $tewMac's facebook page. They said that nobody makes it, and Dan uses some kind of tool to shave a little of both sides until the correct size is achieved. They said they'd post a pic of the tool but never did. I imagine it being similar in concept to the Fret Barber.
I have measured more than half of the frets and they are all in that .070-.071 range. I can find .075 wire but not in full lengths of wire, just short cutup bits from Dunlop. The short 2.5" pieces with be much harder to work with if I need to shave them down slightly. Anyone know if the .075 comes in 2 foot lengths?

I did a quick setup on it yesterday and with the exception of 1 fret, the playability is passable for the customer. It looks like the refret is on hold for now. I am still actively searching for wire just to have on hand though.
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Re: Does anyone have a source for Small Gibson Fretwire??

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in this case, only Eric Johnson could "see" .005

you can sand that off with just a little 400 grit

you do realize that what your going with is a "spec" number not an actual number right.. Fretwire is horribley inconsistant, actually all die drawn metals are. they can vary by as much as .007 easy.
Sadly I may be as crazy at EJ because I could see a difference. I was hoping I didn't have to order 2-3 brands of wire to get the right size, or close enough.

Where's the guy with the stash of vintage mid 50's wire stolen from the Gibson factory.
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Re: Does anyone have a source for Small Gibson Fretwire??

FWIW Gil Yaron also addressed this when I asked him where he found his. He said the same thing-that he couldn't. He had to buy larger wire and trim it down.
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Re: Does anyone have a source for Small Gibson Fretwire??

Dan,

I apologize for my tardiness in getting back to you.
My Dad took a spill ( 75 yrs old ) and not only did he mess his back up but he also ripped a 2" x 4" piece of skin off of his forearm. Needless to say I had a couple of busy days.

Anyway, The wire I got is .098 wide.
Sorry Mate, I thought it was narrower.

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