MLP Bartlett Build - Page 21

Rhubarb Red · 06-27-2011, 07:59 AM

Aw Tom, now you're just TORTURING us!

rivritt · 07-02-2011, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveH28

Any pics of your completed kit? Ive just ordered mine.

I was thinking the same - If only i had the money to get him to do all the build

Here is mine. Not done obviously. Just taking a SC sun bath at the moment. This is about 1/2 hour in. I just checked it after 2 hours and its lost Tons of the red already... Its the Moslers red. You wont be disappointed in Toms Kit you ordered or his customer service. 110% satisfied...

Edit: here it is after a day in the sunshine.

Taller76 · 07-03-2011, 12:27 AM

Looks great Tom...

sasparilla · 07-11-2011, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alk-3

Hi i got one Question.

Is this actual scale taken from a 50s Les Paul?

Thanks!

alk-3 · 07-11-2011, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sasparilla

Hi i got one Question.

Is this actual scale taken from a 50s Les Paul?

Thanks!

Yes

sasparilla · 07-13-2011, 07:31 PM

Great! Ill use it then with my build

By the Way... Those Dave Johnson Vintage Size Inlays... are they accurate enough or have they to be shaped manually (corners etc.)

Im asking you, because you have the perfekt reference with that 55 Board.

Thanks!

alk-3 · 07-13-2011, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sasparilla

Great! Ill use it then with my build

By the Way... Those Dave Johnson Vintage Size Inlays... are they accurate enough or have they to be shaped manually (corners etc.)

Im asking you, because you have the perfekt reference with that 55 Board.

Thanks!

In This post: MLP Bartlett Build I make some comparisons between what is sold by several vendors (including myself) as 'vintage' and 'historic'.
In short, the 'historic' cut inlays are almost dead on perfect. The 'vintage' ones are not, and I think many of the vendors are phasing them out as they just aren't that close.
I've compared them to 55, 56, 57, and 59 Les Paul's first hand, and this is true of all of them. (they aren't perfect, but you will see they are VERY close).

sasparilla · 07-14-2011, 04:37 AM

So the Dave Johnson "Historic Cut" inlays are more Vintage than the Dave Jonson "Vintage Cut" Inlays?

This is good to know!

sasparilla · 07-14-2011, 05:52 AM

One more thing

What kind of Pigment did you use for the Grain filler?

Is it Red anilin too? Because ive never seen Pores in a Sunburst that faded!

Thanks!

LesPaulFetish · 07-15-2011, 05:11 PM

Oh my god... I Simply can't believe the attention to detail in all of these guitars. Beautiful, just amazing. Guelph's not that far away from Newmarket, definately would be worth the drive to see all of this in the real! Assuming you don't mind a 17 year old kid touching everything

It's amazing, I have a guitar book with several 59's in it and I would never be able to tell a difference, just amazing.

I applaud you good sir!

Sunburstman · 07-18-2011, 04:11 PM

Hi Tom!
I have the vintage cut inlays will they look close or totally not right at all?

alk-3 · 07-18-2011, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sasparilla

One more thing

What kind of Pigment did you use for the Grain filler?

Is it Red anilin too? Because ive never seen Pores in a Sunburst that faded!

Thanks!

yes, its aniline dye, oil based.
The backs faded just like the tops, but the pores are always a bit darker because they are packed with the filler.

alk-3 · 07-18-2011, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LesPaulFetish

Oh my god... I Simply can't believe the attention to detail in all of these guitars. Beautiful, just amazing. Guelph's not that far away from Newmarket, definately would be worth the drive to see all of this in the real! Assuming you don't mind a 17 year old kid touching everything

It's amazing, I have a guitar book with several 59's in it and I would never be able to tell a difference, just amazing.

I applaud you good sir!

thank you!!

alk-3 · 07-18-2011, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sunburstman

Hi Tom!
I have the vintage cut inlays will they look close or totally not right at all?

They are very close. Just a bit more 'shrunken' looking.

sasparilla · 07-23-2011, 08:10 AM

Hi Tom, its me again with one Question:

I bought Cellulose-nitrate Inlays and i think they have an odd Color (too yellowish)

What do you think, your inlays look almost white.

Bought them from Crazyparts here in Germany

Heres a picture of the inlays laing on a sheet of normal white copy-Paper.

Metamatic · 07-23-2011, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sasparilla

Hi Tom, its me again with one Question:

I bought Cellulose-nitrate Inlays and i think they have an odd Color (too yellowish)

What do you think, your inlays look almost white.

Bought them from Crazyparts here in Germany

I' m not Tom but I know the answer to your question. Just sand them a little and they'll lose the "vintage" color layer.

alk-3 · 07-24-2011, 11:56 PM

yes, just sanding them should remove whatever colour is on them.

desertrat65 · 07-25-2011, 03:57 PM

Hi Tom,
I have been admiring your guitar builds.
I have ordered some parts from you for my build.
I need to order some fret wire. I noticed that you used Stew mac wire. Which of there many gauge wires do you use?

Thanks, Adam.

alk-3 · 07-25-2011, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by desertrat65

Hi Tom,
I have been admiring your guitar builds.
I have ordered some parts from you for my build.
I need to order some fret wire. I noticed that you used Stew mac wire. Which of there many gauge wires do you use?

Thanks, Adam.

Hey Adam, i use stew mac 141. its the closest i could find, and once its dressed is just about perfect.

sasparilla · 07-28-2011, 10:22 AM

Hi,

Ivegot a problem to glue the binding you sell on my BRZ Rosewood Board.

For the Bodybinding i used just pieces of Binding meltet into Pure Aceton as the Glue and it bonds very good.

But for the Neck this method doesn't seem to work, the Rosewood seems to push of the Glue.

I tried to sand the surface with 60 grit sandpaper but it didn't get better...

What Method you recommend to glue the Binding especially on Rosewood?

Do you know how Gibson glued their Binding in the 50`s ?

Thank you very much!

alk-3 · 07-28-2011, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sasparilla

Hi,

Ivegot a problem to glue the binding you sell on my BRZ Rosewood Board.

For the Bodybinding i used just pieces of Binding meltet into Pure Aceton as the Glue and it bonds very good.

But for the Neck this method doesn't seem to work, the Rosewood seems to push of the Glue.

I tried to sand the surface with 60 grit sandpaper but it didn't get better...

What Method you recommend to glue the Binding especially on Rosewood?

Do you know how Gibson glued their Binding in the 50`s ?

Thank you very much!

I would not recommend using binding melted in acetone for any glue at all. it has very little adhesive properties to it, and just won't last the way proper glue will. The glue I would suggest is something like duko cement I think it's called. It's a cellulose based glue, and similar to what Gibson used in the 50's.
Gibson did not use royalite binding on the necks. They used celluloid binding and royalite only on the bodies.

sasparilla · 07-29-2011, 04:33 AM

Thanks you make me think about removing the Body-Binding and glue it with a proper glue.

Do you know a Glue like Duco-Cement with is available in Germany?

Thanks

luckystriker · 07-29-2011, 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sasparilla

Thanks you make me think about removing the Body-Binding and glue it with a proper glue.

Do you know a Glue like Duco-Cement with is available in Germany?

Thanks

e.g.
rcshop24 - Duco Cement 1 oz Duco Cement 1 oz A2ZGLU-762.43

Why don't you buy in the US?
DUCO CEMENT 1 OZ BRAND NEW | eBay

Joe

sasparilla · 07-29-2011, 07:35 AM

maybe uhu hart?

Thanks!

sasparilla · 07-29-2011, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luckystriker

Why don't you buy in the US?
DUCO CEMENT 1 OZ BRAND NEW | eBay

bad experience with shipping.

sasparilla · 07-29-2011, 09:04 AM

does Ca-Glue bond better than acetone?

nuance97 · 07-29-2011, 10:39 AM

CA works great!

sasparilla · 08-03-2011, 05:35 AM

anyone knows the right Drill-size for the STP-Bushing holes?

How tight they have to be hammered in?

Thanks

Taller76 · 08-03-2011, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nuance97

CA works great!

Anyone use Ambroid, Sig-ment, or Testors Cement for Metal and Wood to attach binding? I think they are all pretty similar to Duco as they contain and can be thinned with acetone....I have seen them referred to in different contexts as acetone or (nitro)cellulose glues.

Ken McKay · 08-05-2011, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taller76

Anyone use Ambroid, Sig-ment, or Testors Cement for Metal and Wood to attach binding? I think they are all pretty similar to Duco as they contain and can be thinned with acetone....I have seen them referred to in different contexts as acetone or (nitro)cellulose glues.

This might help

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I use binding shavings dissolved in acetone and added to duco. That way it is white, gets good penetration into the wood and after drying stays put.

06-27-2011, 07:59 AM	#601 (permalink)
Rhubarb Red Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bushey, Hertfordshire, UK Posts: 262 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: MLP Bartlett Build Aw Tom, now you're just TORTURING us!

07-03-2011, 12:27 AM	#603 (permalink)
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07-13-2011, 07:31 PM	#606 (permalink)
sasparilla Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 102 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 1 Post	Re: MLP Bartlett Build Great! Ill use it then with my build By the Way... Those Dave Johnson Vintage Size Inlays... are they accurate enough or have they to be shaped manually (corners etc.) Im asking you, because you have the perfekt reference with that 55 Board. Thanks!

07-14-2011, 04:37 AM	#608 (permalink)
sasparilla Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 102 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 1 Post	Re: MLP Bartlett Build So the Dave Johnson "Historic Cut" inlays are more Vintage than the Dave Jonson "Vintage Cut" Inlays? This is good to know!

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sasparilla Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 102 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 1 Post	Re: MLP Bartlett Build One more thing What kind of Pigment did you use for the Grain filler? Is it Red anilin too? Because ive never seen Pores in a Sunburst that faded! Thanks!

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07-15-2011, 05:11 PM	#610 (permalink)
LesPaulFetish Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Teenage Wasteland Posts: 38 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: MLP Bartlett Build Oh my god... I Simply can't believe the attention to detail in all of these guitars. Beautiful, just amazing. Guelph's not that far away from Newmarket, definately would be worth the drive to see all of this in the real! Assuming you don't mind a 17 year old kid touching everything It's amazing, I have a guitar book with several 59's in it and I would never be able to tell a difference, just amazing. I applaud you good sir! winexprt likes this.

07-18-2011, 04:11 PM	#611 (permalink)
Sunburstman Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: New Palestine, Indiana Posts: 81 Thanks: 18 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: MLP Bartlett Build Hi Tom! I have the vintage cut inlays will they look close or totally not right at all?

07-23-2011, 08:10 AM	#615 (permalink)
sasparilla Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 102 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 1 Post	Re: MLP Bartlett Build Hi Tom, its me again with one Question: I bought Cellulose-nitrate Inlays and i think they have an odd Color (too yellowish) What do you think, your inlays look almost white. Bought them from Crazyparts here in Germany Heres a picture of the inlays laing on a sheet of normal white copy-Paper.

07-24-2011, 11:56 PM	#617 (permalink)
alk-3 MLP Sponsor Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Guelph Ontario Posts: 1,659 Thanks: 45 Thanked 363 Times in 16 Posts	Re: MLP Bartlett Build yes, just sanding them should remove whatever colour is on them. __________________

07-25-2011, 03:57 PM	#618 (permalink)
desertrat65 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: MLP Bartlett Build Hi Tom, I have been admiring your guitar builds. I have ordered some parts from you for my build. I need to order some fret wire. I noticed that you used Stew mac wire. Which of there many gauge wires do you use? Thanks, Adam.

07-28-2011, 10:22 AM	#620 (permalink)
sasparilla Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 102 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 1 Post	Re: MLP Bartlett Build Hi, Ivegot a problem to glue the binding you sell on my BRZ Rosewood Board. For the Bodybinding i used just pieces of Binding meltet into Pure Aceton as the Glue and it bonds very good. But for the Neck this method doesn't seem to work, the Rosewood seems to push of the Glue. I tried to sand the surface with 60 grit sandpaper but it didn't get better... What Method you recommend to glue the Binding especially on Rosewood? Do you know how Gibson glued their Binding in the 50`s ? Thank you very much!

07-29-2011, 04:33 AM	#622 (permalink)
sasparilla Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 102 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 1 Post	Re: MLP Bartlett Build Thanks you make me think about removing the Body-Binding and glue it with a proper glue. Do you know a Glue like Duco-Cement with is available in Germany? Thanks

07-29-2011, 07:35 AM	#624 (permalink)
sasparilla Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 102 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 1 Post	Re: MLP Bartlett Build maybe uhu hart? Thanks!

07-29-2011, 09:04 AM	#626 (permalink)
sasparilla Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 102 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 1 Post	Re: MLP Bartlett Build does Ca-Glue bond better than acetone?

07-29-2011, 10:39 AM	#627 (permalink)
nuance97 Bartlett Retrospec Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,448 Thanks: 98 Thanked 46 Times in 5 Posts	Re: MLP Bartlett Build CA works great!

08-03-2011, 05:35 AM	#628 (permalink)
sasparilla Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 102 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 1 Post	Re: MLP Bartlett Build anyone knows the right Drill-size for the STP-Bushing holes? How tight they have to be hammered in? Thanks

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