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Unread 11-05-2010, 05:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Les Paul Jr.Double Cut Guitar Kit - Ebony Fretboard - eBay (item 220692395743 end time Nov-14-10 11:45:03 PST)
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i pulled the trigger...let ya know whats up when it arrives...i have all the parts laying around cept the bridge,so its costing me next to nil. im green as grass with finishing so im gonna keep it simple and go cherry red with spray cans-any pointers?
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Nice. There's often issues with the neck fitting the neck pocket right on guitar kits, so be prepared for some moderate woodworking there; Might even work itself out with a simple shim. Looks fine, routs and holes look to be on their right places, but remember to check the bridge location is right.

I'd put a Bigsby on it.
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we shall see..according to the seller everything is to exacting tolerances..so we shall see..im more concerned with finishing,im torn between spray cans or wipe on stain with brush on lacquer..the latter it probably easier
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yeah also according to the seller they're "precision" cut too.

but they look the same as BYO kits though.he likes to make a hefty profit on shipping too.
when asked what makes them so precision he said they were made to exact tolerences in the factory.
When I asked by factory did he mean he's garage he reported me for harrassment then replied they were from the far east.
at the end of the day it is just more cheap chinese shit no matter what buzz words this dildo spams he's auction titles with
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the byo kits are 3piece bodies and scarf pegheads ..$35 shipping from vancouver to nyc....like i said...we shall see
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is that a route more for a soap bar pickup?
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yeah well the jerkoff tried to ping me $200 for shipping
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we shall see..according to the seller everything is to exacting tolerances..so we shall see..im more concerned with finishing,im torn between spray cans or wipe on stain with brush on lacquer..the latter it probably easier
The advertising speech in the listing is just marketing mumbo jumbo. The word "tolerance" means that some error in the dimensions is tolerated. What that tolerance is, remains unknown. I would prepare myself to work on the mortise and tenon all the same.

Spray can lacquer is fine for a first build, and stains are easy to apply straight onto the wood. That however makes refinishing a lot harder, if you ever decide to. But you can get rattle can nitro too, a lot of people here have used those for their garage builds.
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200?Thats a bit high! i think the soapbar and the dog ear have the same rout,just dif covers
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And the listing says the headstock angle is 11 degrees, rather than the 17 degrees Gibson uses. This will have a huge effect on the tension of the strings making them feel very slack under your fingers.

But I suspect the real reason for the 11 degree head angle is one of cost cutting - with that neck angle you only need your blank to be 1.375" thick, which is half the thickness of a Gibson neck blank at 2.75".

Personally, I'd prefer a scarfed headstock to ensure you get the blank thick enough to get a 17 degree headstock angle.

However, on the big plus point, as an "apprentice piece" as a leg-up to doing a build from scratch and getting your lutherie chops together, at $285, it's a fair investment (the shipping is VERY expensive though - I've got complete guitars from the USA to the UK for not very much more).
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ima gonna post pix as soon as it cums...if its shit ill send it back...if i think its gig-able ill keep it-ima go with wipe on stain and Deft brushing lacquer
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yeah well the jerkoff tried to ping me $200 for shipping
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(the shipping is VERY expensive though - I've got complete guitars from the USA to the UK for not very much more).
This listing has nothing to do with me but I live in Vancouver.

The shipping in Canada is very expensive. I shipped a guitar to Australia via UPS a couple of years ago, that cost me over $400, and it was the cheapest option.

Shipping some books to France took me $100.

So I don't think the seller is trying to be a dick, the shipping cost he gave you is probably very realistic.
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i pulled the trigger...let ya know whats up when it arrives...i have all the parts laying around cept the bridge,so its costing me next to nil. im green as grass with finishing so im gonna keep it simple and go cherry red with spray cans-any pointers?
yes buy a mask and spray outside not in the house mr eggz !!! its me mac !
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yo mac-i think im gonna just wipe with stain,use the brush on stuff and be done with it...see ya sunday
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And the listing says the headstock angle is 11 degrees, rather than the 17 degrees Gibson uses. This will have a huge effect on the tension of the strings making them feel very slack under your fingers.

But I suspect the real reason for the 11 degree head angle is one of cost cutting - with that neck angle you only need your blank to be 1.375" thick, which is half the thickness of a Gibson neck blank at 2.75".

Personally, I'd prefer a scarfed headstock to ensure you get the blank thick enough to get a 17 degree headstock angle.

However, on the big plus point, as an "apprentice piece" as a leg-up to doing a build from scratch and getting your lutherie chops together, at $285, it's a fair investment (the shipping is VERY expensive though - I've got complete guitars from the USA to the UK for not very much more).
i use heavy strings so the tension should be ok..i just hope the bridge is drilled correctly..
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The postage to me is listed as $16 - I just sent a book to the US and that was $22 - so I do hope that the quality of these kits turns out to be decent as I keep looking at their LP. On their website you can get a different top as well as binding and trapezoid inlays. However I think I will just go for the basic kit and do my own binding and inlays for the fun of actually doing some work on it. Granted all this depends on the the OP's findings when his kit arrives
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However, on the big plus point, as an "apprentice piece" as a leg-up to doing a build from scratch and getting your lutherie chops together, at $285, it's a fair investment (the shipping is VERY expensive though - I've got complete guitars from the USA to the UK for not very much more).
i would have (and have) gone for the p90 bulldog kit @$260

yes shipping is up around complete guitar mark.

If I can get a strat body & neck shipped for $65 in a box together surely I could get a LP body & neck for around the same maybe a few bucks more cause of the weight but to try and ping me that much is insane then when I questioned it he gave me a reply for SEA MAIL at $120.

I told him politely to jam it.

Then got suspended from ebay for harrassment an hour later.

Type of guy I'd pull the powerbook scam on
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The postage to me is listed as $16 - I just sent a book to the US and that was $22 - so I do hope that the quality of these kits turns out to be decent as I keep looking at their LP. On their website you can get a different top as well as binding and trapezoid inlays. However I think I will just go for the basic kit and do my own binding and inlays for the fun of actually doing some work on it. Granted all this depends on the the OP's findings when his kit arrives
ill do a review and post pics,i have a historic jr to compare it to,so we will see whats what.
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definately keep us posted, the guy has great feedback (most important to me) and it looks fairly well cut.
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i think im gonna make this REAL EASY-im gonna wipe on cherry stain,use the deft brushing nitro for the body and peghead face and spray the back of the neck with poly satin out the can..i have gibson tuners,rio grande blues bar,just picked up a nickel wraptail w/studs n bushings for $30 on the bay and i have all the plastic..should bang this out in a weekend.
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i think im gonna make this REAL EASY-im gonna wipe on cherry stain,use the deft brushing nitro for the body and peghead face and spray the back of the neck with poly satin out the can..i have gibson tuners,rio grande blues bar,just picked up a nickel wraptail w/studs n bushings for $30 on the bay and i have all the plastic..should bang this out in a weekend.
Presumably you want to use "poly satin" for the neck because you want a satin finish that's "fast" to play, no?

Might I suggest that you brush on your lacquer everywhere, including the neck back, and then don't buff out the neck; just wet sand it level, up the sandpaper grades to whatever you like. Perhaps you'll stop at 1200, 1500 or 2000 on that neck; whatever satin/gloss level you personally like. If you end up "glossing" it too much, then just go backward a sandpaper grade. My guess is that 2000 will still be "satin" enough.

The end result is that you'll have an "all lacquer" guitar which will retain all the repair-ability of lacquer, as well as all the aging characteristics we all seem to want.

Just MHO, YMMV, etc. . .
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Presumably you want to use "poly satin" for the neck because you want a satin finish that's "fast" to play, no?

Might I suggest that you brush on your lacquer everywhere, including the neck back, and then don't buff out the neck; just wet sand it level, up the sandpaper grades to whatever you like. Perhaps you'll stop at 1200, 1500 or 2000 on that neck; whatever satin/gloss level you personally like. If you end up "glossing" it too much, then just go backward a sandpaper grade. My guess is that 2000 will still be "satin" enough.

The end result is that you'll have an "all lacquer" guitar which will retain all the repair-ability of lacquer, as well as all the aging characteristics we all seem to want.

Just MHO, YMMV, etc. . .
sounds good to me..with this Deft stuff theres no sanding..just recoat every 2 hrs and when the finish is thick enough let it sit for a week and rub it with 4-0 steel wool.
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-Can't wait to see this one! I love Juniors, especially the DCs. Also the DC Specials with the double P90s. That Blues Bar P90 should make that kit a wicked tone machine!

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-Or you can just pick up a couple rattle cans of Deft. They have the satin lacquer too which is great for the backs of necks.

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true..ill do that.
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they just sent me pics of my junior kit being made,pretty kool... http://picasaweb.google.com/Precisio...hnnySDoubleJr#

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Those pix do not look like a Chinese factory.

Where are these kit parts made, Johnny??
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Who said chinese? The shop is in Canada.
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This looks interesting. I may invest in one of these, can't wait for the pics when it gets to you.
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