Think I can fix it? - Page 3

BCRGreg · 03-17-2008, 12:45 PM

Well, it survived the torture test, so I put it all back together this morning. It's a helluva cool guitar!

Now we'll take it back apart and do the cosmetic stuff. Grovers and Badass to the trashbin!!!

Stay tuned.......

Eddie · 03-17-2008, 01:21 PM

It's ALIIIIIIIVEEEE!!!!

Roman Rist · 03-17-2008, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCRGreg

Now we'll take it back apart and do the cosmetic stuff. Grovers and Badass to the trashbin!!!

Stay tuned.......

send them to me instead of putting them in the trash!

BCRGreg · 03-17-2008, 02:20 PM

It's a figure of speech, Roman.

ROMAN!!!! PUT THE HORN UP TO YOUR EAR SO THAT YOU CAN HEAR ME!!!!!

drewbertca · 03-17-2008, 02:29 PM

nice job...awesome guitar.....

Roman Rist · 03-17-2008, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCRGreg

It's a figure of speech, Roman.

ROMAN!!!! PUT THE HORN UP TO YOUR EAR SO THAT YOU CAN HEAR ME!!!!!

WHAAAAT?

Seriously, she is turning out very nice. Another vintage instrument saved!!

loverocker · 03-17-2008, 03:35 PM

Great work

Any chance of a close-up of the repair (before any finish gets applied)?

drewbertca · 03-17-2008, 04:10 PM

Like cars...A quote I heard somewhere... "Don't crush 'em, Restore 'em" I think that applies to guitars too....but if you must toss them call me and tell me where it is so I can "save" it or at least scavenge parts

BCRGreg · 03-17-2008, 11:24 PM

The back of the neck.....

...and with Uncle Greg's Special Handy Dandy grain filler.......

It's gonna BARELY show.

mapleflame · 03-17-2008, 11:39 PM

I'll give ya some grain filler, couple oh buckets of leached out fallen walnuts that's been sitten for many months. Work great smells like shit. Nice grafting da brodda. Oh thou Brodda Plugga

BCRGreg · 03-18-2008, 12:03 AM

You need help, Steve.

diceman · 03-18-2008, 01:13 AM

Damn Greg - she looks great! Thats an amazing transformation from pieces on the floor.

loverocker · 03-18-2008, 06:43 AM

Thanks for posting the close-ups. Fantastic work.

I normally steer clear of guitars with issues, but when I see the work that goes into fixing them right, maybe I shouldn't be so fussy?

I'm over in England - can anyone recommend a luthier with the same attention to detail over here? I have a '59 Jr that was previously routed for a humbucker and I'd wondered about restoring it (at the mp, the dogear P90 cover just about hides the HB route). Seeing this has made up my mind to get it restored properly.

mapleflame · 03-18-2008, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCRGreg

You need help, Steve.

You always take care of that.

BCRGreg · 03-18-2008, 09:41 AM

Time for the blue pill, sonny.

mojofilter · 03-18-2008, 10:05 AM

WOW! by any chance was that PETE in that band called the WHO?
MAN IT SURE LOOKS LIKE HIS WORK! L.O.L. looking foward to seeing some pics of your reconstuction,good luck!

mapleflame · 03-18-2008, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCRGreg

Time for the blue pill, sonny.

It's actually a big white one now.

BCRGreg · 03-21-2008, 11:18 PM

Quick update....

Did I mention that the neck was mostly sawn off by the previous repairman?

I guess when he hit the truss rod anchor the fight went out of him.

Anyway, back to modern times. The headstock is plugged to undo the Grover horror....

I use a plug cutter and made the plugs from old growth mahogany that matched the guitar's structure. I had Glen the Apprentice dowel the tuner screw holes as well.

After drilling the plugs to the proper diameter to match the correct ferrules, the head was taped off and the first coats of black were sprayed. Here it is after wetsanding the first coat...

Now it dries....

drewbertca · 03-21-2008, 11:23 PM

how was the near-decapitation fixed? that looks nasty

BCRGreg · 03-21-2008, 11:25 PM

I cut thin strips of mahogany that matched the grain and shaved them until they could just barely slide in. When glued, they expanded a tickle, giving the area much needed structure.

Yeah, I'm crazy. I think this stuff up.

drewbertca · 03-21-2008, 11:28 PM

that's exactly what I would have done....But I thought there was some sort of trade secret amazing way That was better....I'm glad the simplest ways are sometimes, actually most times the best....

After seeing the progress in this thread, I have to say anybody should be proud to own this guitar....there's always someone who'd refuse it.

BCRGreg · 03-21-2008, 11:30 PM

It only took 3 hours to fill the gap.

drewbertca · 03-21-2008, 11:32 PM

the bonehead who cut her should be decapitated....you called him a repairman...more like a hack butcher....

BCRGreg · 03-21-2008, 11:35 PM

He's good. He's not REAL good.

drewbertca · 03-21-2008, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCRGreg

He's good. He's not REAL good.

I Wasn't aiming to offend......I just hate seeing a classic ax get axed....It just rubbed me the wrong way.....I'm really glad it looks like you were able to save her ....or did you call it Pete? In that case I'm glad you could save him....I love SG's with p-90s....actually I love anything with p90s

BCRGreg · 03-21-2008, 11:43 PM

30 years ago, it was a broken budget guitar.

Now it's a rare classic.

Nobody knew!

drewbertca · 03-21-2008, 11:45 PM

I've only been playing for 12 years and I think it would have been at least a classic when I started....Maybe my BFG will be worth something.....probably not....but that ax is amazing....probably going to be a real good players guitar

loverocker · 03-22-2008, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCRGreg

Quick update....

Did I mention that the neck was mostly sawn off by the previous repairman?

<gibber> What was the 'right' repair for that - looks like 1mm or so lost? Howdya do that? Did you cover this above (time to scroll up)...

Still in awe of the work and detail here. Still hoping for a UK luthier recommendation... Anyone...

AndyC · 03-22-2008, 01:52 PM

Real nice work, Greg.

BCRGreg · 03-22-2008, 08:55 PM

Final color coat and clear, fresh from spraying.....

The hard part is to NOT make it perfect, but to have it be somewhat mottled as if it aged. It'll dry over the weekend and then the wetsand and buff will take place. Stringup on Tuesday!

03-17-2008, 12:45 PM	#61 (permalink)
BCRGreg Grumpy Old Luthier Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lemoyne, PA Posts: 6,978 Thanks: 157 Thanked 733 Times in 96 Posts	Re: Think I can fix it? Well, it survived the torture test, so I put it all back together this morning. It's a helluva cool guitar! Now we'll take it back apart and do the cosmetic stuff. Grovers and Badass to the trashbin!!! Stay tuned....... __________________ Cool guitars, extreme repairs and brutal honesty. www.bcrmusic.com www.grumpyoldmenband.com http://www.youtube.com/user/unkagreg

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BCRGreg Grumpy Old Luthier Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lemoyne, PA Posts: 6,978 Thanks: 157 Thanked 733 Times in 96 Posts	Re: Think I can fix it? It's a figure of speech, Roman. ROMAN!!!! PUT THE HORN UP TO YOUR EAR SO THAT YOU CAN HEAR ME!!!!! __________________ Cool guitars, extreme repairs and brutal honesty. www.bcrmusic.com www.grumpyoldmenband.com http://www.youtube.com/user/unkagreg

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loverocker Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 36 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Think I can fix it? Great work Any chance of a close-up of the repair (before any finish gets applied)?

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03-17-2008, 04:10 PM	#68 (permalink)
drewbertca V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Timmins, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,488 Thanks: 6 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Think I can fix it? Like cars...A quote I heard somewhere... "Don't crush 'em, Restore 'em" I think that applies to guitars too....but if you must toss them call me and tell me where it is so I can "save" it or at least scavenge parts __________________ BFG Defender....The normal ones...Not the over priced "First 52 of Each" ones. THIS THREAD IS DEAD!

03-17-2008, 11:24 PM	#69 (permalink)
BCRGreg Grumpy Old Luthier Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lemoyne, PA Posts: 6,978 Thanks: 157 Thanked 733 Times in 96 Posts	Re: Think I can fix it? The back of the neck..... ...and with Uncle Greg's Special Handy Dandy grain filler....... It's gonna BARELY show. __________________ Cool guitars, extreme repairs and brutal honesty. www.bcrmusic.com www.grumpyoldmenband.com http://www.youtube.com/user/unkagreg

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mapleflame V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Burke Va. Posts: 679 Thanks: 0 Thanked 10 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Think I can fix it? I'll give ya some grain filler, couple oh buckets of leached out fallen walnuts that's been sitten for many months. Work great smells like shit. Nice grafting da brodda. Oh thou Brodda Plugga __________________ Gold and Flame in the house

03-18-2008, 12:03 AM	#71 (permalink)
BCRGreg Grumpy Old Luthier Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lemoyne, PA Posts: 6,978 Thanks: 157 Thanked 733 Times in 96 Posts	Re: Think I can fix it? You need help, Steve. __________________ Cool guitars, extreme repairs and brutal honesty. www.bcrmusic.com www.grumpyoldmenband.com http://www.youtube.com/user/unkagreg

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03-18-2008, 06:43 AM	#73 (permalink)
loverocker Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 36 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Think I can fix it? Thanks for posting the close-ups. Fantastic work. I normally steer clear of guitars with issues, but when I see the work that goes into fixing them right, maybe I shouldn't be so fussy? I'm over in England - can anyone recommend a luthier with the same attention to detail over here? I have a '59 Jr that was previously routed for a humbucker and I'd wondered about restoring it (at the mp, the dogear P90 cover just about hides the HB route). Seeing this has made up my mind to get it restored properly.

03-18-2008, 09:41 AM	#75 (permalink)
BCRGreg Grumpy Old Luthier Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lemoyne, PA Posts: 6,978 Thanks: 157 Thanked 733 Times in 96 Posts	Re: Think I can fix it? Time for the blue pill, sonny. __________________ Cool guitars, extreme repairs and brutal honesty. www.bcrmusic.com www.grumpyoldmenband.com http://www.youtube.com/user/unkagreg

03-18-2008, 10:05 AM	#76 (permalink)
mojofilter Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cairo/N.Y. Posts: 1,283 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Think I can fix it? WOW! by any chance was that PETE in that band called the WHO? MAN IT SURE LOOKS LIKE HIS WORK! L.O.L. looking foward to seeing some pics of your reconstuction,good luck!

03-21-2008, 11:18 PM	#78 (permalink)
BCRGreg Grumpy Old Luthier Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lemoyne, PA Posts: 6,978 Thanks: 157 Thanked 733 Times in 96 Posts	Re: Think I can fix it? Quick update.... Did I mention that the neck was mostly sawn off by the previous repairman? I guess when he hit the truss rod anchor the fight went out of him. Anyway, back to modern times. The headstock is plugged to undo the Grover horror.... I use a plug cutter and made the plugs from old growth mahogany that matched the guitar's structure. I had Glen the Apprentice dowel the tuner screw holes as well. After drilling the plugs to the proper diameter to match the correct ferrules, the head was taped off and the first coats of black were sprayed. Here it is after wetsanding the first coat... Now it dries.... __________________ Cool guitars, extreme repairs and brutal honesty. www.bcrmusic.com www.grumpyoldmenband.com http://www.youtube.com/user/unkagreg

03-21-2008, 11:23 PM	#79 (permalink)
drewbertca V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Timmins, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,488 Thanks: 6 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Think I can fix it? how was the near-decapitation fixed? that looks nasty __________________ BFG Defender....The normal ones...Not the over priced "First 52 of Each" ones. THIS THREAD IS DEAD!

03-21-2008, 11:25 PM	#80 (permalink)
BCRGreg Grumpy Old Luthier Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lemoyne, PA Posts: 6,978 Thanks: 157 Thanked 733 Times in 96 Posts	Re: Think I can fix it? I cut thin strips of mahogany that matched the grain and shaved them until they could just barely slide in. When glued, they expanded a tickle, giving the area much needed structure. Yeah, I'm crazy. I think this stuff up. __________________ Cool guitars, extreme repairs and brutal honesty. www.bcrmusic.com www.grumpyoldmenband.com http://www.youtube.com/user/unkagreg

03-21-2008, 11:28 PM	#81 (permalink)
drewbertca V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Timmins, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,488 Thanks: 6 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Think I can fix it? that's exactly what I would have done....But I thought there was some sort of trade secret amazing way That was better....I'm glad the simplest ways are sometimes, actually most times the best.... After seeing the progress in this thread, I have to say anybody should be proud to own this guitar....there's always someone who'd refuse it. __________________ BFG Defender....The normal ones...Not the over priced "First 52 of Each" ones. THIS THREAD IS DEAD!

03-21-2008, 11:30 PM	#82 (permalink)
BCRGreg Grumpy Old Luthier Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lemoyne, PA Posts: 6,978 Thanks: 157 Thanked 733 Times in 96 Posts	Re: Think I can fix it? It only took 3 hours to fill the gap. __________________ Cool guitars, extreme repairs and brutal honesty. www.bcrmusic.com www.grumpyoldmenband.com http://www.youtube.com/user/unkagreg

03-21-2008, 11:32 PM	#83 (permalink)
drewbertca V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Timmins, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,488 Thanks: 6 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Think I can fix it? the bonehead who cut her should be decapitated....you called him a repairman...more like a hack butcher.... __________________ BFG Defender....The normal ones...Not the over priced "First 52 of Each" ones. THIS THREAD IS DEAD!

03-21-2008, 11:35 PM	#84 (permalink)
BCRGreg Grumpy Old Luthier Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lemoyne, PA Posts: 6,978 Thanks: 157 Thanked 733 Times in 96 Posts	Re: Think I can fix it? He's good. He's not REAL good. __________________ Cool guitars, extreme repairs and brutal honesty. www.bcrmusic.com www.grumpyoldmenband.com http://www.youtube.com/user/unkagreg

03-21-2008, 11:43 PM	#86 (permalink)
BCRGreg Grumpy Old Luthier Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lemoyne, PA Posts: 6,978 Thanks: 157 Thanked 733 Times in 96 Posts	Re: Think I can fix it? 30 years ago, it was a broken budget guitar. Now it's a rare classic. Nobody knew! __________________ Cool guitars, extreme repairs and brutal honesty. www.bcrmusic.com www.grumpyoldmenband.com http://www.youtube.com/user/unkagreg

03-21-2008, 11:45 PM	#87 (permalink)
drewbertca V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Timmins, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,488 Thanks: 6 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Think I can fix it? I've only been playing for 12 years and I think it would have been at least a classic when I started....Maybe my BFG will be worth something.....probably not....but that ax is amazing....probably going to be a real good players guitar __________________ BFG Defender....The normal ones...Not the over priced "First 52 of Each" ones. THIS THREAD IS DEAD!

03-22-2008, 01:52 PM	#89 (permalink)
AndyC Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: The Ether Posts: 393 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Think I can fix it? Real nice work, Greg.

03-22-2008, 08:55 PM	#90 (permalink)
BCRGreg Grumpy Old Luthier Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lemoyne, PA Posts: 6,978 Thanks: 157 Thanked 733 Times in 96 Posts	Re: Think I can fix it? Final color coat and clear, fresh from spraying..... The hard part is to NOT make it perfect, but to have it be somewhat mottled as if it aged. It'll dry over the weekend and then the wetsand and buff will take place. Stringup on Tuesday! __________________ Cool guitars, extreme repairs and brutal honesty. www.bcrmusic.com www.grumpyoldmenband.com http://www.youtube.com/user/unkagreg

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