Historic R4 Oxblood Dilemma

Rezinator · 09-26-2009, 09:15 PM

I really want a R4 Oxblood, currently have a R4 GT
I can't buy one right now without selling my 60 RI Les Paul Special(autographed by Les Paul, RIP). I hate to sell this guitar, but can't afford to keep it and don't really play it. The R4 GT neck fits me better and I like it more for blues.

Would you sell the 60 RI or keep it and save up a lot of cash?

phos · 09-26-2009, 09:23 PM

Isn't it pointless to keep a guitar that you don't like to play? Just a thought...

Last · 09-27-2009, 08:15 AM

Keep the R0 you'll more than likely end up regret selling it.

Save up & the Oxblood will mean much more to you. Plus while saving you may end up changing your mind & by the time you've got the cash want something completely different!

Curious as to why you'd want two R4's aside from the color difference?

I can see wanting two Historics of the same year with different figured tops but with solid color tops not so much.

It is a waste having a guitar you don't play but then again with Les Paul's autograph you also have a piece of history that can no longer be replicated ever again.

ledlover01 · 09-27-2009, 08:17 AM

If you dont play it why let it sit in a case it does not do a instument a favor, sell it if you want to

Rezinator · 09-27-2009, 02:32 PM

Thanks for the replies.

Last, the R4 Oxblood is the Jeff Beck model with humbuckers and wraptail, the R4 GT has P90's. They are same construction and playability but different pickups.

The more I think about it, the more I'm leaning toward keeping the 60 RI Special, if nothing else, it has a lot of sentimental value. It is a great sounding guitar, the neck is just a bit thin for me. I may unload some other guitars I have instead.

Last · 09-27-2009, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rezinator

Last, the R4 Oxblood is the Jeff Beck model with humbuckers and wraptail, the R4 GT has P90's. They are same construction and playability but different pickups.

Well then why didn't you say so! That's a horse of a very different color indeed! Wow! I can certainly see you dilemma. Though I still think you should hang onto your other one.

Liam · 09-27-2009, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rezinator

Thanks for the replies.

Last, the R4 Oxblood is the Jeff Beck model with humbuckers and wraptail, the R4 GT has P90's. They are same construction and playability but different pickups.

The more I think about it, the more I'm leaning toward keeping the 60 RI Special, if nothing else, it has a lot of sentimental value. It is a great sounding guitar, the neck is just a bit thin for me. I may unload some other guitars I have instead.

I've been quite keen on the JB model for a while now - not even played one yet, but I love stop tail Les Pauls, and I'm a big Jeff Beck fan. I'd love to have stop tail with humbuckers in it. Personally I'd be selling the slim necked Special and moving forward, brushing sentimental value aside...

Does that help?

Liam

SKATTERBRANE · 09-27-2009, 06:06 PM

Where is the Special autographed? What year is it? DC or SC, TV or Cherry?

Rezinator · 09-27-2009, 07:22 PM

SKATTERBRANE,
It is autographed on the back of the headstock, DC, TV yellow, 1995, mint condition, has Peter Florance Voodoo P90's.

SKATTERBRANE · 09-27-2009, 07:28 PM

Hmmm I thought 1997 was the first year for the Historic Specials and Juniors! Is it a Historic or a non-Historic Custom shop model? Does it have SN 0 5xxx or 9XXX5xxx?

If you can, send pictures to kink56 at hotmail dot com please.

Rezinator · 09-27-2009, 07:38 PM

SKATTERBRANE it has 9XXX5XXX serial number, stamped made in USA. TOM bridge, bound fretboard, dot inlays. Also have a photo of me with Les Paul and the guitar.

Will send pics to your hotmail acct.

SKATTERBRANE · 09-27-2009, 07:54 PM

It is not a Custom shop nor Historic, it is not an R0. It is just a USA Special.

Rezinator · 09-27-2009, 08:05 PM

My original post stated it was a 60 RI Special (not historic or custom shop). Sorry if I wasn't clear.

Pics sent.

SKATTERBRANE · 09-27-2009, 08:11 PM

No problems, mystery solved.

Rezinator · 09-27-2009, 09:21 PM

I decided to sell it. Listed on the bay.

Thanks for everyone's help!

Rezinator · 10-02-2009, 01:59 PM

Hey Guys, I pulled the trigger and got a 2005 Oxblood R4 JB. It is an awesome guitar!
Fat, chunky neck, good weight, excellent condition.
I thought the BB 2 and 3's were a bit bright and changed them to Voodoo 59's that I had, big improvement.
I would like to change the Schaller tuners to something that looks more vintage, but not have to drill any holes. The Schallers are bright chrome and will not relic easily, the rest of the hardware on the R4 has a nice aged patina to it and the Schallers look out of place. Any suggestions?

kip0909 · 10-02-2009, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rezinator

Hey Guys, I pulled the trigger and got a 2005 Oxblood R4 JB. It is an awesome guitar!
Fat, chunky neck, good weight, excellent condition.
I thought the BB 2 and 3's were a bit bright and changed them to Voodoo 59's that I had, big improvement.
I would like to change the Schaller tuners to something that looks more vintage, but not have to drill any holes. The Schallers are bright chrome and will not relic easily, the rest of the hardware on the R4 has a nice aged patina to it and the Schallers look out of place. Any suggestions?

congrats! pics please!

cryptozoo · 10-02-2009, 02:51 PM

Congrats, I've lusted after an Oxblood a bit myself.

nwobhm · 10-02-2009, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rezinator

Hey Guys, I pulled the trigger and got a 2005 Oxblood R4 JB. It is an awesome guitar!
Fat, chunky neck, good weight, excellent condition.
I thought the BB 2 and 3's were a bit bright and changed them to Voodoo 59's that I had, big improvement.
I would like to change the Schaller tuners to something that looks more vintage, but not have to drill any holes. The Schallers are bright chrome and will not relic easily, the rest of the hardware on the R4 has a nice aged patina to it and the Schallers look out of place. Any suggestions?

Yeah, I know what ya mean. Klusons or even old nickel Grovers would look more vintage but, You'd have to drill and cover those old schaller holes, unfortunately.

lewddude · 10-02-2009, 09:40 PM

how dare you not post pics!!!!!!!!!

Rezinator · 10-02-2009, 10:41 PM

Ok, ok, I'll try to post some pics tomorrow...

Rezinator · 10-04-2009, 02:46 PM

Here are some pics, not great. Having some camera/lighting issues.
Took one with pickguard off, not sure if I like it on or off...

Was able to crank it up today, neighbors are out and I live in an apartment. The JB kills!!!

Found some chrome Tulip buttons on WDMusic website, will see if they work out.

lewddude · 10-04-2009, 09:27 PM

Sweet! Now you have the best of both worlds! P90's and HB's! Bask in it my friend! That is one Dynamic Duo! I was thinking if I get the extra cash, I would like to go with the R7 GT to have the HB's... But I Just LOVE p90's. Just would be nice to have the option though!

Thanx for sharing,

Lewd

Rezinator · 10-04-2009, 10:08 PM

Thanks Lewd,
I sold off a few more guitars than I originally intended to buy this one, but it was worth it. I really love the wraptail bridge! The P90's are my favorite pickups for most of what I play-blues.

09-26-2009, 09:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
Rezinator Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Historic R4 Oxblood Dilemma I really want a R4 Oxblood, currently have a R4 GT I can't buy one right now without selling my 60 RI Les Paul Special(autographed by Les Paul, RIP). I hate to sell this guitar, but can't afford to keep it and don't really play it. The R4 GT neck fits me better and I like it more for blues. Would you sell the 60 RI or keep it and save up a lot of cash?

09-26-2009, 09:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
phos Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 53 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Historic R4 Oxblood Dilemma Isn't it pointless to keep a guitar that you don't like to play? Just a thought...

09-27-2009, 08:15 AM	#3 (permalink)
Last The Cleaner Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: St. Louis, MO. USA Posts: 4,453 Thanks: 245 Thanked 77 Times in 32 Posts	Re: Historic R4 Oxblood Dilemma Keep the R0 you'll more than likely end up regret selling it. Save up & the Oxblood will mean much more to you. Plus while saving you may end up changing your mind & by the time you've got the cash want something completely different! Curious as to why you'd want two R4's aside from the color difference? I can see wanting two Historics of the same year with different figured tops but with solid color tops not so much. It is a waste having a guitar you don't play but then again with Les Paul's autograph you also have a piece of history that can no longer be replicated ever again.

09-27-2009, 08:17 AM	#4 (permalink)
ledlover01 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: New York Posts: 3,519 Thanks: 374 Thanked 114 Times in 44 Posts	Re: Historic R4 Oxblood Dilemma If you dont play it why let it sit in a case it does not do a instument a favor, sell it if you want to __________________ Proud user of: Tone-Mojo Wiring Proud user of: Toms Short Pickups Proud user of Zhang Pickups

09-27-2009, 02:32 PM	#5 (permalink)
Rezinator Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Historic R4 Oxblood Dilemma Thanks for the replies. Last, the R4 Oxblood is the Jeff Beck model with humbuckers and wraptail, the R4 GT has P90's. They are same construction and playability but different pickups. The more I think about it, the more I'm leaning toward keeping the 60 RI Special, if nothing else, it has a lot of sentimental value. It is a great sounding guitar, the neck is just a bit thin for me. I may unload some other guitars I have instead.

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09-27-2009, 06:06 PM	#8 (permalink)
SKATTERBRANE Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 21,441 Thanks: 603 Thanked 549 Times in 185 Posts	Re: Historic R4 Oxblood Dilemma Where is the Special autographed? What year is it? DC or SC, TV or Cherry?

09-27-2009, 07:22 PM	#9 (permalink)
Rezinator Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Historic R4 Oxblood Dilemma SKATTERBRANE, It is autographed on the back of the headstock, DC, TV yellow, 1995, mint condition, has Peter Florance Voodoo P90's.

09-27-2009, 07:28 PM	#10 (permalink)
SKATTERBRANE Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 21,441 Thanks: 603 Thanked 549 Times in 185 Posts	Re: Historic R4 Oxblood Dilemma Hmmm I thought 1997 was the first year for the Historic Specials and Juniors! Is it a Historic or a non-Historic Custom shop model? Does it have SN 0 5xxx or 9XXX5xxx? If you can, send pictures to kink56 at hotmail dot com please.

09-27-2009, 07:38 PM	#11 (permalink)
Rezinator Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Historic R4 Oxblood Dilemma SKATTERBRANE it has 9XXX5XXX serial number, stamped made in USA. TOM bridge, bound fretboard, dot inlays. Also have a photo of me with Les Paul and the guitar. Will send pics to your hotmail acct.

09-27-2009, 07:54 PM	#12 (permalink)
SKATTERBRANE Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 21,441 Thanks: 603 Thanked 549 Times in 185 Posts	Re: Historic R4 Oxblood Dilemma It is not a Custom shop nor Historic, it is not an R0. It is just a USA Special.

09-27-2009, 08:05 PM	#13 (permalink)
Rezinator Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Historic R4 Oxblood Dilemma My original post stated it was a 60 RI Special (not historic or custom shop). Sorry if I wasn't clear. Pics sent.

09-27-2009, 08:11 PM	#14 (permalink)
SKATTERBRANE Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 21,441 Thanks: 603 Thanked 549 Times in 185 Posts	Re: Historic R4 Oxblood Dilemma No problems, mystery solved.

09-27-2009, 09:21 PM	#15 (permalink)
Rezinator Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Historic R4 Oxblood Dilemma I decided to sell it. Listed on the bay. Thanks for everyone's help!

10-02-2009, 01:59 PM	#16 (permalink)
Rezinator Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Historic R4 Oxblood Dilemma Hey Guys, I pulled the trigger and got a 2005 Oxblood R4 JB. It is an awesome guitar! Fat, chunky neck, good weight, excellent condition. I thought the BB 2 and 3's were a bit bright and changed them to Voodoo 59's that I had, big improvement. I would like to change the Schaller tuners to something that looks more vintage, but not have to drill any holes. The Schallers are bright chrome and will not relic easily, the rest of the hardware on the R4 has a nice aged patina to it and the Schallers look out of place. Any suggestions?

10-02-2009, 02:51 PM	#18 (permalink)
cryptozoo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: In the shadow of Dollywood Posts: 1,308 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Historic R4 Oxblood Dilemma Congrats, I've lusted after an Oxblood a bit myself.

10-02-2009, 09:40 PM	#20 (permalink)
lewddude Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: NEW YORK U.S.A. Posts: 1,315 Thanks: 36 Thanked 48 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Historic R4 Oxblood Dilemma how dare you not post pics!!!!!!!!! __________________ 2007 Ebony Top R6

10-02-2009, 10:41 PM	#21 (permalink)
Rezinator Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Historic R4 Oxblood Dilemma Ok, ok, I'll try to post some pics tomorrow...

10-04-2009, 09:27 PM	#23 (permalink)
lewddude Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: NEW YORK U.S.A. Posts: 1,315 Thanks: 36 Thanked 48 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Historic R4 Oxblood Dilemma Sweet! Now you have the best of both worlds! P90's and HB's! Bask in it my friend! That is one Dynamic Duo! I was thinking if I get the extra cash, I would like to go with the R7 GT to have the HB's... But I Just LOVE p90's. Just would be nice to have the option though! Thanx for sharing, Lewd __________________ 2007 Ebony Top R6

10-04-2009, 10:08 PM	#24 (permalink)
Rezinator Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Historic R4 Oxblood Dilemma Thanks Lewd, I sold off a few more guitars than I originally intended to buy this one, but it was worth it. I really love the wraptail bridge! The P90's are my favorite pickups for most of what I play-blues.

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