Questions on VOS Finish

kylehnewman · 08-30-2009, 12:56 PM

I have a few questions on these finishes.

Are all of these low gloss and shine knocked off?

When they look aged are they really aged,if I get one will the nitrocellulose start to crack in a few years?

I have heard about Virtuoso Polish, is "Gibson's Restorative Finish Cream" anything similar?

Flight595 · 08-30-2009, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kylehnewman

I have a few questions on these finishes.

Are all of these low gloss and shine knocked off?

When they look aged are they really aged,if I get one will the nitrocellulose start to crack in a few years?

I have heard about Virtuoso Polish, is "Gibson's Restorative Finish Cream" anything similar?

If you polish a VOS the thin coat giving it its dull look will come off and it will become shiny like a Gloss finish... The Nitro Gibson uses these days is much thicker and slightly different from the earlier Gibson's so you may have to wait even longer for it to check... if its going to check at all!

Regards

LongBeach · 08-30-2009, 01:11 PM

I think the color of the burst, or paint finish has allot to
do with how "aged" the VOS makes them look.
I have 2 R0's, VOS, and they are not dull by any means.
They are NOT high gloss. I have han ebony 68 CS, its VOS,
and looks it. Very dull finish

No, the finish isnt going to crack/age any quicker on a VOS
than a gloss as far as I've ever heard.

Lots of folks around here like Maguires (i'm sure I spelled that wrong)
but you find it in the automotive section of just about any large store.

eldiablo · 08-30-2009, 01:20 PM

I polished out the VOS gunk on my R8 with Gibson Polish in the Orange spray bottle.
Although not as shiney as a 'Gloss' model it's pretty close.

Here is a pic shined up.

kylehnewman · 08-30-2009, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eldiablo

I polished out the VOS gunk on my R8 with Gibson Polish in the Orange spray bottle.
Although not as shiney as a 'Gloss' model it's pretty close.

Here is a pic shined up.

thanks, is that a faded tobacco bourbonburst

eldiablo · 08-30-2009, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kylehnewman

thanks, is that a faded tobacco bourbonburst

it's an '09 Faded Tobacco.

Morphine · 08-30-2009, 02:19 PM

Even with some Meguiar's Wax NXT (I love that), the finish continue to have a dull look, but some shine appears (but not like a glossy finish) ! At least thats the conclusion I get when I polished some Custom Authentic finishes, but I think VOS is less dull than a Custom Authentic anyway, so maybes thats the difference in the result.

Cheers ...

Morphz

marshallmellow · 08-30-2009, 02:23 PM

kylehnewman, you had inquired about some more pics of my Bourbonburst with less glare.
The previous ones I posted as well as this pic are after I used Virtuoso Polish. I personally like the results as it is sort of somewhere in between gloss and VOS.

These pics are from Mark's Guitar Loft before I bought the guitar.

SKATTERBRANE · 08-30-2009, 02:34 PM

The gloss is usually more shiny than polishing a VOS yourself. The rougue and high speed buffing wheel is very effective, more so than hand rubbing with consumer products. VOS finish is nothing more than the final buffing stages skipped to save labor costs (while charging you the same price as a 2005 Les Paul that was fully buffed)

And the lacquer now has more plastic in it starting in 2006, and the finish IS thicker. Not as hard, a bit rubbery.

SKATTERBRANE · 08-30-2009, 02:36 PM

Custom Authentics were dulled after the fact and cost MORE than the gloss finishes. The gloss is now a $300 upcharge over VOS. Brilliant marketing ploy by Gibson!

kylehnewman · 08-30-2009, 05:04 PM

thank you marshmello, thats beautiful

Jason S · 08-31-2009, 01:57 PM

I was wondering. Can you clean a VOS finish without removing the film?

Pink_Floyd · 08-31-2009, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE

The gloss is usually more shiny than polishing a VOS yourself. The rougue and high speed buffing wheel is very effective, more so than hand rubbing with consumer products. VOS finish is nothing more than the final buffing stages skipped to save labor costs (while charging you the same price as a 2005 Les Paul that was fully buffed)

And the lacquer now has more plastic in it starting in 2006, and the finish IS thicker. Not as hard, a bit rubbery.

But as VOS is only available on Custom Shop guitars you are comparing apples to oranges surely? The price differential can never come into it because a Les Paul Standard buffed or not is at a different price point to a Custom guitar.

uburoibob · 08-31-2009, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marshallmellow

kylehnewman, you had inquired about some more pics of my Bourbonburst with less glare.
The previous ones I posted as well as this pic are after I used Virtuoso Polish. I personally like the results as it is sort of somewhere in between gloss and VOS.

These pics are from Mark's Guitar Loft before I bought the guitar.

I gotta say I prefer the VOS to the shinier version - particularly with older-looking hardware...

Morphine · 08-31-2009, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pink_Floyd

But as VOS is only available on Custom Shop guitars you are comparing apples to oranges surely? The price differential can never come into it because a Les Paul Standard buffed or not is at a different price point to a Custom guitar.

I think he mentioned the 05 Reissues vs. the new VOS ...

Dave1968 · 08-31-2009, 05:55 PM

Mines shiny but not the $300 upgrade. It shines all over! I've heard about 'pink' bleeding?? No 'pink' on mine.

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Satch0922 · 08-31-2009, 07:25 PM

I have used Virtuoso on my R8 and it cleaned up just enough (which is what I was going for) but definitely not like the gloss model. I ended up with exactly what I was going for.

SKATTERBRANE · 08-31-2009, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pink_Floyd

But as VOS is only available on Custom Shop guitars you are comparing apples to oranges surely? The price differential can never come into it because a Les Paul Standard buffed or not is at a different price point to a Custom guitar.

I am only taking about Historics. I am not talking about nor caring about regular production USA Standards

Pink_Floyd · 09-01-2009, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE

I am only taking about Historics. I am not talking about nor caring about regular production USA Standards

Was not sure hence the question

***Led Zep Fan*** · 09-01-2009, 11:38 AM

Gibson VOS goop:

Pink_Floyd · 09-01-2009, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Led Zep Fan

Gibson VOS goop:

Cool, where did you find that?

***Led Zep Fan*** · 09-01-2009, 11:42 AM

Scroll down the page. The rest of it is good reading as well.

Ask Zac!

Pink_Floyd · 09-01-2009, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Led Zep Fan

Scroll down the page. The rest of it is good reading as well.

Ask Zac!

Thanks

Dragonsoni · 09-02-2009, 05:11 PM

My VOS R8 has more shine then my Gloss R7 - after Gibson Pump Polish and Plant Waves Carnuba Wax.

Marc · 09-02-2009, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uburoibob

I gotta say I prefer the VOS to the shinier version - particularly with older-looking hardware...

+1 I think it's ironic that it costs $300 less instead of more.

VDeuce · 09-02-2009, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eldiablo

I polished out the VOS gunk on my R8 with Gibson Polish in the Orange spray bottle.
Although not as shiney as a 'Gloss' model it's pretty close.

Here is a pic shined up.

Good job, it looks great! Other polishes I've used or have heard feedback about, include Meguires car polishes and Virtuoso.

No matter how much you polish, they will never be quite 100% as shiny as gloss, but you also save $300 on the cost of a new one going VOS!

Marc · 09-02-2009, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JGV

No matter how much you polish, they will never be quite 100% as shiny as gloss, but you also save $300 on the cost of a new one going VOS!

Exactly. And really does it need to be any shinier than that? It's not going off to boot camp.

VDeuce · 09-02-2009, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc

Exactly. And really does it need to be any shinier than that? It's not going off to boot camp.

Everyone's got their preference, but I really like the VOS once it is cleaned up and polished.

Remember how many people prior to VOS that wanted to get their new shiny guitars to age quickly, like a pair of faded bluejeans? Well Gibson has done this with the VOS series, and now some people want to go the other route, lol!

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

But really, I like the worn in look - it seems to fit the vintage styled instruments well.

Marc · 09-02-2009, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JGV

Everyone's got their preference, but I really like the VOS once it is cleaned up and polished.

Remember how many people prior to VOS that wanted to get their new shiny guitars to age quickly, like a pair of faded bluejeans? Well Gibson has done this with the VOS series, and now some people want to go the other route, lol!

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

But really, I like the worn in look - it seems to fit the vintage styled instruments well.

Yeah, I was kind of joking around there. I completely understand people wanting their guitars to look shiny. I hate dents. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Personally, I've always though a little less shiny looks a lot better, even without any aged hardware. And I'm happy to pay $300 less.

dave999z · 09-03-2009, 11:34 AM

Any one know whether Gibson has been shipping any 2009 model '58 reissues in gloss finish? Or are they only available as VOS?

08-30-2009, 12:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
kylehnewman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Charleston, TN Posts: 405 Thanks: 5 Thanked 16 Times in 4 Posts	Questions on VOS Finish I have a few questions on these finishes. Are all of these low gloss and shine knocked off? When they look aged are they really aged,if I get one will the nitrocellulose start to crack in a few years? I have heard about Virtuoso Polish, is "Gibson's Restorative Finish Cream" anything similar?

08-30-2009, 01:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
LongBeach Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 12,019 Thanks: 15 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Questions on VOS Finish I think the color of the burst, or paint finish has allot to do with how "aged" the VOS makes them look. I have 2 R0's, VOS, and they are not dull by any means. They are NOT high gloss. I have han ebony 68 CS, its VOS, and looks it. Very dull finish No, the finish isnt going to crack/age any quicker on a VOS than a gloss as far as I've ever heard. Lots of folks around here like Maguires (i'm sure I spelled that wrong) but you find it in the automotive section of just about any large store.

08-30-2009, 01:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
eldiablo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Underworld Posts: 454 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Questions on VOS Finish I polished out the VOS gunk on my R8 with Gibson Polish in the Orange spray bottle. Although not as shiney as a 'Gloss' model it's pretty close. Here is a pic shined up.

08-30-2009, 02:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
Morphine Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 355 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Questions on VOS Finish Even with some Meguiar's Wax NXT (I love that), the finish continue to have a dull look, but some shine appears (but not like a glossy finish) ! At least thats the conclusion I get when I polished some Custom Authentic finishes, but I think VOS is less dull than a Custom Authentic anyway, so maybes thats the difference in the result. Cheers ... Morphz __________________ Welcome to my Guitar Vault See some of my guitars ... Morphz Collection Also check www.myspace.com/uniao And www.youtube.com/morphineguitar

08-30-2009, 02:23 PM	#8 (permalink)
marshallmellow Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 200 Thanks: 2 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Questions on VOS Finish kylehnewman, you had inquired about some more pics of my Bourbonburst with less glare. The previous ones I posted as well as this pic are after I used Virtuoso Polish. I personally like the results as it is sort of somewhere in between gloss and VOS. These pics are from Mark's Guitar Loft before I bought the guitar.

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08-30-2009, 02:34 PM	#9 (permalink)
SKATTERBRANE Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 21,441 Thanks: 603 Thanked 549 Times in 185 Posts	Re: Questions on VOS Finish The gloss is usually more shiny than polishing a VOS yourself. The rougue and high speed buffing wheel is very effective, more so than hand rubbing with consumer products. VOS finish is nothing more than the final buffing stages skipped to save labor costs (while charging you the same price as a 2005 Les Paul that was fully buffed) And the lacquer now has more plastic in it starting in 2006, and the finish IS thicker. Not as hard, a bit rubbery.

08-30-2009, 02:36 PM	#10 (permalink)
SKATTERBRANE Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 21,441 Thanks: 603 Thanked 549 Times in 185 Posts	Re: Questions on VOS Finish Custom Authentics were dulled after the fact and cost MORE than the gloss finishes. The gloss is now a $300 upcharge over VOS. Brilliant marketing ploy by Gibson!

08-30-2009, 05:04 PM	#11 (permalink)
kylehnewman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Charleston, TN Posts: 405 Thanks: 5 Thanked 16 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Questions on VOS Finish thank you marshmello, thats beautiful

08-31-2009, 01:57 PM	#12 (permalink)
Jason S Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 138 Thanks: 6 Thanked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Questions on VOS Finish I was wondering. Can you clean a VOS finish without removing the film?

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Dave1968 Bartlett Retrospec Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Lancashire, England Posts: 2,401 Thanks: 103 Thanked 29 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Questions on VOS Finish Mines shiny but not the $300 upgrade. It shines all over! I've heard about 'pink' bleeding?? No 'pink' on mine. [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG]

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Satch0922 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,958 Thanks: 8 Thanked 44 Times in 23 Posts	Re: Questions on VOS Finish I have used Virtuoso on my R8 and it cleaned up just enough (which is what I was going for) but definitely not like the gloss model. I ended up with exactly what I was going for. __________________

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*Led Zep Fan* MLP Anchorman Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bethlehem, PA Posts: 19,708 Thanks: 460 Thanked 776 Times in 309 Posts	Re: Questions on VOS Finish Scroll down the page. The rest of it is good reading as well. Ask Zac! __________________

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dave999z Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 199 Thanks: 1 Thanked 10 Times in 1 Post	Re: Questions on VOS Finish Any one know whether Gibson has been shipping any 2009 model '58 reissues in gloss finish? Or are they only available as VOS?

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