Jimmy page' real #2 and Historic prototype....

[Greco]

In case you missed it the other day, there were some cool pics posted on Jimmypage.com celebrating the day Jimmy received the first proto of #2 (serial PAGE 2) and comparing it to the original. Note the white humbucker in the prototype, such a shame they went with black for the run. All photos copyright of jimmypage.com, don't know how long they'll be uploaded for....

Proto left, original right:


Proto left, original right. Notice the not-so-vintage Grovers on #2!


Original #2


Group shot, I guess at the signing:


Proto aging:

[RAG7890]

Greco...............the Shire.

In view of that new moronic TV show, I'd keep that under my hat mate!

[colchar]

Originally Posted by Greco

In case you missed it the other day, there were some cool pics posted on Jimmypage.com celebrating the day Jimmy received the first proto of #2 (serial PAGE 2) and comparing it to the original. Note the white humbucker in the prototype, such a shame they went with black for the run.

They've no choice as someone else (Seymor Duncan? Dimarzio?) owns the rights to the double white. I wanted a double white in mine when I removed the cover from the bridge to make it more Page-like but had no choice but to go double-black as there was no way I was swapping out a pickup that I love the sound of.

[RAG7890]

Originally Posted by colchar

They've no choice as someone else (Seymor Duncan? Dimarzio?) owns the rights to the double white. I wanted a double white in mine when I removed the cover from the bridge to make it more Page-like but had no choice but to go double-black as there was no way I was swapping out a pickup that I love the sound of.

Tone before looks. Always the right way to go.

[Greco]

Originally Posted by RAG7890

Greco...............the Shire.

In view of that new moronic TV show, I'd keep that under my hat mate!

What do you mean? The Shire is an awesome documentary of real life in modern day Australia!

[andrewryanis]

Jimmy discusses the guitar in this video and mentions the tuners id be surprised if everyone hasnt seen it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLSz5vD9Dho

[Greco]

Thanks, but that is most definitely his #1.

[chinbb]

Originally Posted by andrewryanis

Jimmy discusses the guitar in this video and mentions the tuners id be surprised if everyone hasnt seen it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLSz5vD9Dho

Jimmy was talking about his #1 Les Paul in the video...NOT his #2.

[jimmy45]

They've no choice as someone else (Seymor Duncan? Dimarzio?) owns the rights to the double white. I wanted a double white in mine

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[JimmyAce2006]

Originally Posted by jimmy45

They've no choice as someone else (Seymor Duncan? Dimarzio?) owns the rights to the double white. I wanted a double white in mine

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Alex....**

They had two options: Give Dimarzio a fee for allowing Gibson to do the DW; OR, cover the pickup & let the owners remove the cover to to expose the DW. Jimmy was against both options & told them to use black, according to Gibson.

[sunking420]

I will eventually receive my Shed Zeppelins from Spence. No issue with him and double white at the bridge. I just hope they sound as good as I think they will. Long wait, but if the tone is there, I'm a patient guy......

[etzeppy]

Originally Posted by jimmy45

They've no choice as someone else (Seymor Duncan? Dimarzio?) owns the rights to the double white. I wanted a double white in mine

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I have read elsewhere that Dimarzio owns a trademark and/or patent on double cream humbuckers. I don't really understand how something like that could be subject to trademark or patent, but that is a different discussion. I have not heard of a trademark existing on double white. SD and several others make double white.

[JimmyAce2006]

Originally Posted by sunking420

I will eventually receive my Shed Zeppelins from Spence. No issue with him and double white at the bridge. I just hope they sound as good as I think they will. Long wait, but if the tone is there, I'm a patient guy......

DiMarzio owns the trademark on the display of open bobbin double white / cream humbuckers on a guitar. So you can not sell a guitar (at least not in production) that was built with the open double white bobbins. Gibson has taken it a step further by refusing to build double white pickups. The Pearly Gates signature Les Paul has double white SD's under the covers. It was not illegal to sell them on a guitar with the covers on.

[etzeppy]

Originally Posted by JimmyAce2006

DiMarzio owns the trademark on the display of open bobbin double white / cream humbuckers on a guitar. So you can not sell a guitar (at least not in production) that was built with the open double white bobbins. Gibson has taken it a step further by refusing to build double white pickups. The Pearly Gates signature Les Paul has double white SD's under the covers. It was not illegal to sell them on a guitar with the covers on.

I'm not sure what the real story is but something does not add up. Gibson can do it for Buckethead but not Jimmy Page?



Straight from the Gibson website:

The Buckethead Signature Les Paul carries a calibrated pair of Gibson's contemporary-voiced Ceramic series humbucking pickups, featuring a 496R in the neck (rhythm) position, and a hot 500T in the bridge (lead) position. Both are specially made with double-white bobbins to match the look of the guitar, and the bridge pickup is split via a push/pull switch on the Tone knob to achieve a single-coil tone.

[Phil W]

This would be funny if it wasn't so stupid. I've been playing since the late 70s and for most of my life you could walk into a music shop and buy any old electric guitar with double white humbuckers even Kay copies! To trademark THAT indicates that DiMarzio (whom I've always respected until now) care FAR more about their bottom line than the industry as a whole or indeed the players! Shame on them to the max!

[JimmyAce2006]

Originally Posted by etzeppy

I'm not sure what the real story is but something does not add up. Gibson can do it for Buckethead but not Jimmy Page?



Straight from the Gibson website:

The Buckethead Signature Les Paul carries a calibrated pair of Gibson's contemporary-voiced Ceramic series humbucking pickups, featuring a 496R in the neck (rhythm) position, and a hot 500T in the bridge (lead) position. Both are specially made with double-white bobbins to match the look of the guitar, and the bridge pickup is split via a push/pull switch on the Tone knob to achieve a single-coil tone.

It may have to do with the ceramic magnets that they are able to do it. You won't ever see anything like that on a reissue without DiMarzio involved. Fender does it too; so it must have something to do with the magnets / specifics about the pickups.

[RAG7890]

Originally Posted by Greco

What do you mean? The Shire is an awesome documentary of real life in modern day Australia!

Well great to see you have a sense of humour.

BTW, my home in Sydney is more than likely no more than 5 - 10 minutes drive from your place........................the Shire!

[Greco]

Originally Posted by RAG7890

Well great to see you have a sense of humour.

BTW, my home in Sydney is more than likely no more than 5 - 10 minutes drive from your place........................the Shire!

Well there are at least a few good things hiding in The Shire, if you can make it past all the hordes of vacuous bimbos....

[DDP]

Bobbin Toppers can make your own double white

[Lowdown]

DiMarzio own the rights to Double Cream.
Not Double White.
That,is how they got away with it.

[slither]

Originally Posted by Greco

Well there are at least a few good things hiding in The Shire, if you can make it past all the hordes of vacuous bimbos....

Vacuous bimbos have their uses too....... See, everything is more than good in The Shire. Even the Sharks are doing ok.

[RAG7890]

Originally Posted by slither

Vacuous bimbos have their uses too....... See, everything is more than good in The Shire. Even the Sharks are doing ok.

..............correct, way better than my team...........the Dragons!

I was even born in St George Hospital.

[Who]

Should've made the guitar with double-creams, and a black removeable sticker that covered a bobbin. A zebra, that is EASILY converted.

Of course, if they did that EVERYONE on MLP would scream bloody murder if you tried to sell one and didn't have the original sticker!

[JimmyAce2006]

Page's #2 has a double white in the bridge position, not double cream. They did not make cream in 1959. They were white. Some of them have since aged to a cream color. But Gibson would have used a double white if it was not for the DiMarzio trademark. Again, they did use a double white on the Billy Gibbons Pearly Gates LP. But they covered it. I have read the trademark that DiMarzio owns; someone posted it here a while back. It has to do with the display of open bobbin double white pickups. There may be some detail as to exactly what kind of pickups such that ceramic magnet pickups are excluded.

[Greco]

The fact that any kind of patent was granted to Dimarizio for what is essentially a Gibson invented product is insane. It's even more insane that Gibson now has to tip-toe around that ruling. I'm off to see if I can get the patent for showing Green Klusons Deluxe style tuners on any guitar. Hey why not? Anythings possible right?

Actually we could all try to get patents for all the stuff that we don't like then Gibson will be forced to stop using them! I'm going for all non-brazilian or ebony fretboards (including laminate two-pieces and baked maple), stupid finishes, plain tops, Firebird-Xs, ahhhh the list is endless....