Goldie #84 Scam!

RobP · 05-22-2012, 07:14 PM

Hello everyone...

i purchased Goldie #84 some time ago and I'm very pleased with the guitar. Unfortunately, the guitar is posted everywhere and is a SCAM! I spend so much time reporting the ads when i see them...is there anything i can do about this? I also wanted to post it on this forum, as i don't want someone to fall into this trap. Most of you know that it is a scam due to the super low price of the guitar when advertised.

Any help would be appreciated!

SKATTERBRANE · 05-22-2012, 07:19 PM

This sort of thing happens a 100 times a day to many, many different Les Pauls, or anything of value. Don't worry yourself sick over it. Your example is like one grain of sand on a beach.

LauriPaul · 05-22-2012, 07:20 PM

Can we get some pictures of it?

RAG7890 · 05-22-2012, 07:21 PM

Agree with Rod.

Caveat emptor.

You can post details in this Thread so all know what your Goldie looks like.

RobP · 05-22-2012, 08:50 PM

Thanks for the responses! Below is the original ad placed on ebay. I didn't purchase the guitar for close to that price. Either way, these are the pics that show up everywhere. They don't do the guitar justice. A small pic in my avatar shows the flame pattern on this baby. The seller sent me better pics when i explained what I wanted. In a way, it helped me secure the guitar for an excellent price. Hope the link works:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Collectors-C...item3f10efb5ec

Thanks everyone!

guitarmandp · 05-23-2012, 01:00 AM

how much did you pay?

Sharky · 05-23-2012, 02:43 AM

i don't know if this ebay user's account gets hacked every 3 weeks or so but he always offeres high end guitars at about reasonable prices. His feedbacks show nothing to worry about. What you can see is that he received a feedback on the sale of # 84 already, the feedback appears to be legit. I would really love to get an explanation for this.

Backstage · 05-23-2012, 03:10 AM

Erm, someone take the picture of the guitar you bought and wants to commit a fraud?

Sharky · 05-23-2012, 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Backstage

Erm, someone take the picture of the guitar you bought and wants to commit a fraud?

do you mean my question? As i wrote, this guy sells stuff like this frequently and his feedbacks show nothing scary. I'm not saying that the auction is legit, i only wonder how fraud is commited by this guy

Backstage · 05-23-2012, 04:07 AM

Maybe its a little naive but I am stunned by the whole thing

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kdm · 05-23-2012, 04:58 AM

the feedback shows the guitar was sold for 6500....is that so !?

ctkarslake · 05-23-2012, 07:44 AM

It looks to me like it did not sell, all offers were declined and one expired. If it were a scam you'd think they would have accepted one of the offers. I'm confused, $7500 is a "super low price"??? Not to me...

Sharky · 05-23-2012, 07:52 AM

i am observing this guy's auctions since several months and the pricing mostly is a little lower than the market is in that time but not very low

RobP · 05-23-2012, 06:59 PM

Hi everyone...I'm hoping this works, as I never post pictures of my guitars. Either way, I did purchase the guitar from the seller and CC2 084 does belong to me. I love the guitar!!! Not the best pics...

Phoenix59 · 05-23-2012, 08:11 PM

Your pictures didn't show up.

RobP · 05-23-2012, 08:52 PM

Let me try these ones...they were taken with the flash

decoy205 · 05-23-2012, 09:52 PM

Great guitar sorry people are using it for shady purposes.

SuiteAmpCo · 05-24-2012, 12:23 AM

So I'm not sure, is yours real? You don't know? Or it is definitely fake?
If its fakel, only you, well now us are aware of that, she is a beauty and if it sounds half as good as it looks...it could be the next guy's gibby, if ya get me. But if she's a great player and brings all the '59 vibe its still gonna make guys like me (who can't afford one) with our tongues on the floor.
Even if it made out of partical board and sawdust.lol jk

gianni_boy · 05-24-2012, 12:35 AM

That's right on, nicest one I've seen

dmantsio · 05-24-2012, 03:47 AM

Hello everyone! I sent a message to Rob trying to find out if this is a scam or not.The guy here in Europe asks for 2.500 euros for this guitar so i thought something is wrong.Siad he wouldd send it with GLS but when i asked him how he wants to be paid he never replied.I dont understand how someone can pull a scam like this

dmantsio · 05-24-2012, 03:47 AM

kust wish it was true though

Sharky · 05-24-2012, 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmantsio

Hello everyone! I sent a message to Rob trying to find out if this is a scam or not.The guy here in Europe asks for 2.500 euros for this guitar so i thought something is wrong.Siad he wouldd send it with GLS but when i asked him how he wants to be paid he never replied.I dont understand how someone can pull a scam like this

did you post a link to the european offer already?

RobP · 05-26-2012, 11:48 AM

When you do a google search, there are many of the ads with the original ebay pics. Mostly Europe. I've written them and some responded. When i asked for specific pics, there was no response.

Either way, I'm pleased with the guitar!

darthvader · 01-26-2013, 11:50 AM

Damn I saw this too late. I was on the phone with a guy who named himself Frederick Grunewald and he sold me Goldie #84. It really is a scam and cost me 2300 euro. The scam is well done and Frederick even copied the forms of the shipping company GLS. He even seemed to have access to the shipping company's database as well.
So I lost a lot of money on this. Remember never do business with Frederick Grunewald and never ever buy Goldie #84
Let's make sure that this guitar with this serial number never can be sold on the market again. Really these scam people are sick!

nicolasrivera · 01-26-2013, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darthvader

Damn I saw this too late. I was on the phone with a guy who named himself Frederick Grunewald and he sold me Goldie #84. It really is a scam and cost me 2300 euro. The scam is well done and Frederick even copied the forms of the shipping company GLS. He even seemed to have access to the shipping company's database as well.
So I lost a lot of money on this. Remember never do business with Frederick Grunewald and never ever buy Goldie #84
Let's make sure that this guitar with this serial number never can be sold on the market again. Really these scam people are sick!

Do you have proof of this? can you elaborate in details how the scam is lay out?

chinbb · 01-26-2013, 12:27 PM

Nowadays I put semi-transparent watermarks on all the pictures I put on eBay.

05-22-2012, 07:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
RobP Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,891 Thanks: 124 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Goldie #84 Scam! Hello everyone... i purchased Goldie #84 some time ago and I'm very pleased with the guitar. Unfortunately, the guitar is posted everywhere and is a SCAM! I spend so much time reporting the ads when i see them...is there anything i can do about this? I also wanted to post it on this forum, as i don't want someone to fall into this trap. Most of you know that it is a scam due to the super low price of the guitar when advertised. Any help would be appreciated!

05-22-2012, 07:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
SKATTERBRANE Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 21,441 Thanks: 603 Thanked 549 Times in 185 Posts	Re: Goldie #84 Scam! This sort of thing happens a 100 times a day to many, many different Les Pauls, or anything of value. Don't worry yourself sick over it. Your example is like one grain of sand on a beach.

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LauriPaul Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: somewhere in this football that's called Earth. Posts: 320 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Goldie #84 Scam! Can we get some pictures of it?

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RAG7890 Bartlett Retrospec Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Australlia Posts: 2,654 Thanks: 237 Thanked 31 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Goldie #84 Scam! Agree with Rod. Caveat emptor. You can post details in this Thread so all know what your Goldie looks like.

05-22-2012, 08:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
RobP Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,891 Thanks: 124 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Goldie #84 Scam! Thanks for the responses! Below is the original ad placed on ebay. I didn't purchase the guitar for close to that price. Either way, these are the pics that show up everywhere. They don't do the guitar justice. A small pic in my avatar shows the flame pattern on this baby. The seller sent me better pics when i explained what I wanted. In a way, it helped me secure the guitar for an excellent price. Hope the link works: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Collectors-C...item3f10efb5ec Thanks everyone!

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05-23-2012, 01:00 AM	#6 (permalink)
guitarmandp Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 126 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Goldie #84 Scam! how much did you pay?

05-23-2012, 02:43 AM	#7 (permalink)
Sharky Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Frankfurt/Main Germany Posts: 1,551 Thanks: 56 Thanked 16 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Goldie #84 Scam! i don't know if this ebay user's account gets hacked every 3 weeks or so but he always offeres high end guitars at about reasonable prices. His feedbacks show nothing to worry about. What you can see is that he received a feedback on the sale of # 84 already, the feedback appears to be legit. I would really love to get an explanation for this.

05-23-2012, 03:10 AM	#8 (permalink)
Backstage Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Germany Posts: 2,825 Thanks: 79 Thanked 21 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Goldie #84 Scam! Erm, someone take the picture of the guitar you bought and wants to commit a fraud?

05-23-2012, 04:07 AM	#10 (permalink)
Backstage Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Germany Posts: 2,825 Thanks: 79 Thanked 21 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Goldie #84 Scam! Maybe its a little naive but I am stunned by the whole thing .

05-23-2012, 04:58 AM	#11 (permalink)
kdm Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: 50° 4' 0" North, 7° 46' 0" East Posts: 1,302 Thanks: 48 Thanked 20 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Goldie #84 Scam! the feedback shows the guitar was sold for 6500....is that so !? __________________ .....those glorious instruments are often mocked for having all the suttelty of a sledge hammer and the dynamic range of a chainsaw, a jangling noise machine..... After all they only made so many guitars, and they ain't makin' any more.

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ctkarslake Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: lakewood,OH Posts: 1,708 Thanks: 36 Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Goldie #84 Scam! It looks to me like it did not sell, all offers were declined and one expired. If it were a scam you'd think they would have accepted one of the offers. I'm confused, $7500 is a "super low price"??? Not to me... __________________ 2007 LP R7 Ebony w/factory bigsby, Gloss 2005 LP R8 Plaintop, washed cherry sunburst, Gloss 2003 LP Elegant Quiltop, butterscotch, Gloss 2001 LP Standard, Raw Power, Satin 1998 LP R8 Flametop, vintage red, Gloss 1997 LP R8 Plaintop, vintage red w/factory bigsby,Gloss 1965 Hagstrom II, baby blue Marshall AVT50H+4x12CAB Epiphone Valve Jr.

05-23-2012, 07:52 AM	#13 (permalink)
Sharky Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Frankfurt/Main Germany Posts: 1,551 Thanks: 56 Thanked 16 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Goldie #84 Scam! i am observing this guy's auctions since several months and the pricing mostly is a little lower than the market is in that time but not very low

05-23-2012, 06:59 PM	#14 (permalink)
RobP Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,891 Thanks: 124 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Goldie #84 Scam! Hi everyone...I'm hoping this works, as I never post pictures of my guitars. Either way, I did purchase the guitar from the seller and CC2 084 does belong to me. I love the guitar!!! Not the best pics... pinefd, capt_goodvibes, Lowdown and 5 others like this.

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RobP Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,891 Thanks: 124 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Goldie #84 Scam! Let me try these ones...they were taken with the flash planks, RAG7890 and CRobbins like this.

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05-24-2012, 12:23 AM	#18 (permalink)
SuiteAmpCo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Anaheim, Ca. Posts: 251 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Goldie #84 Scam! So I'm not sure, is yours real? You don't know? Or it is definitely fake? If its fakel, only you, well now us are aware of that, she is a beauty and if it sounds half as good as it looks...it could be the next guy's gibby, if ya get me. But if she's a great player and brings all the '59 vibe its still gonna make guys like me (who can't afford one) with our tongues on the floor. Even if it made out of partical board and sawdust.lol jk __________________ ]ack be nimble, Jack be quick...Big Effing Deal. Can he ROCK??? http://thesmokinguitar.com/

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dmantsio Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Greece Posts: 65 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Goldie #84 Scam! Hello everyone! I sent a message to Rob trying to find out if this is a scam or not.The guy here in Europe asks for 2.500 euros for this guitar so i thought something is wrong.Siad he wouldd send it with GLS but when i asked him how he wants to be paid he never replied.I dont understand how someone can pull a scam like this

05-24-2012, 03:47 AM	#21 (permalink)
dmantsio Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Greece Posts: 65 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Goldie #84 Scam! kust wish it was true though

05-26-2012, 11:48 AM	#23 (permalink)
RobP Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,891 Thanks: 124 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Goldie #84 Scam! When you do a google search, there are many of the ads with the original ebay pics. Mostly Europe. I've written them and some responded. When i asked for specific pics, there was no response. Either way, I'm pleased with the guitar!

01-26-2013, 11:50 AM	#24 (permalink)
darthvader Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Goldie #84 Scam! Damn I saw this too late. I was on the phone with a guy who named himself Frederick Grunewald and he sold me Goldie #84. It really is a scam and cost me 2300 euro. The scam is well done and Frederick even copied the forms of the shipping company GLS. He even seemed to have access to the shipping company's database as well. So I lost a lot of money on this. Remember never do business with Frederick Grunewald and never ever buy Goldie #84 Let's make sure that this guitar with this serial number never can be sold on the market again. Really these scam people are sick!

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chinbb Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 255 Thanks: 2 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Goldie #84 Scam! Nowadays I put semi-transparent watermarks on all the pictures I put on eBay.

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