Stinger R8

jhun1976 · 03-20-2012, 11:35 PM

This one looks fake to me. What do you guys think.
Gibson Les Paul Standard 1958 Stinger MURPHY AGED | eBay

jamman · 03-20-2012, 11:53 PM

I've never seen a TM guitar look like that . I seen quite a few, in hand . that's a joke . better off staying away from that . I smell something & and it ain't good . Imo, Lots of things not right about that 1.

LPCollector · 03-20-2012, 11:59 PM

I agree.......
Wrong font for the serial number. Double rings on an R8. (WTF?)
Folded COA, not even opened up to see the serial number.
Seller say's he bought the guitar in '03...shitty re-stamped serial number shows it as an '06.
Don't even get me started on the missing pieces of inlay................

On top of that, there were no Murphy Stinger's made for Music Machine in '03.....I don't even think there has ever been a Murphy Stinger.

NOT Tom Murphy's work!!!!!!!

"Run, Forrest, RUN!!!!!!!!

***delawaregold*** · 03-20-2012, 11:59 PM

Way too much wrong with that one…I’d pass.

7gtop · 03-21-2012, 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LPCollector

I agree.......
Wrong font for the serial number. Double rings on an R8. (WTF?)
Folded COA, not even opened up to see the serial number.
Seller say's he bought the guitar in '03...shitty re-stamped serial number shows it as an '06.
Don't even get me started on the missing pieces of inlay................

On top of that, there were no Murphy Stinger's made for Music Machine in '03.....I don't even think there has ever been a Murphy Stinger.

NOT Tom Murphy's work!!!!!!!

"Run, Forrest, RUN!!!!!!!!

................. These guys are gettin'.......... kraft-y

SGMM · 03-21-2012, 08:38 AM

Gotta agree....compared to my former TM R9 that does not look like TM aging!!

decoy205 · 03-21-2012, 08:45 AM

that is not even close...
Inlays are a $600 upgrade.. pshhhhhhhhh

Bubbletonic · 03-21-2012, 08:49 AM

Check out the lower strap button, WTF.

Really ugly razor checking on that headstock, terrible. Where as to me it doesn't look like razor checking on the top, some parts look like hot-cold checking and then nearer the bridge looks like compressed air checking. Either way it looks a mess.

Also no nibs?

EDIT: He says he spent $500 on vintage pots and didn't even bother to take a picture of them?

major · 03-21-2012, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SGMM

Gotta agree....compared to my former TM R9 that does not look like TM aging!!

Paranoia strikes again!

The guy might be over-egging the history of the guitar (claiming TM's involvement, when in reality it's just a knackered old refretted guitar), but that is a real Gibson, and should not be called "fake".....

LPCollector · 03-21-2012, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by major

Paranoia strikes again!

The guy might be over-egging the history of the guitar (claiming TM's involvement, when in reality it's just a knackered old refretted guitar), but that is a real Gibson, and should not be called "fake".....

Disagree.................

This is sullying both TM and the Stinger name!!!!!!

SGMM · 03-21-2012, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by major

Paranoia strikes again!

The guy might be over-egging the history of the guitar (claiming TM's involvement, when in reality it's just a knackered old refretted guitar), but that is a real Gibson, and should not be called "fake".....

Where did I say "fake"....said it did not look like TMs work....& it does not....paranoia?? ....no....poor reading comprehension??

major · 03-21-2012, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SGMM

Where did I say "fake"....said it did not look like TMs work....& it does not....paranoia?? ....no....poor reading comprehension??

The OP did - at the top of thread - or don't you read that far?

He says "fake", and everyone basically says "oh yes - how horrid" (and no-one disagrees with his original statement).

You guys just love the "holier than thou" dissing of axes for sale. Paranoia.......

Pinkie · 03-21-2012, 10:39 AM

Tuners look brand new.

major · 03-21-2012, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by straycat

Tuners look brand new.

They probably are then. They're double ringed, so they are certainly not original.

I'd boil the guy in oil

kdm · 03-21-2012, 10:52 AM

you may also watch his "SRV Strat by World Class Relics"......

SGMM · 03-21-2012, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by major

The OP did - at the top of thread - or don't you read that far?

He says "fake", and everyone basically says "oh yes - how horrid" (and no-one disagrees with his original statement).

You guys just love the "holier than thou" dissing of axes for sale. Paranoia.......

Then quote the OP....or didn't you read that far??

Or do you love "misquoting"....jackassery....

!!

jhun1976 · 03-21-2012, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by major

The OP did - at the top of thread - or don't you read that far?

He says "fake", and everyone basically says "oh yes - how horrid" (and no-one disagrees with his original statement).

You guys just love the "holier than thou" dissing of axes for sale. Paranoia.......

Well, I hope you don't buy it coz it certainly looks fake to me. Threads like this gets started not to diss guitars for sale but to clarify and maybe warn people. Read LPC 's post coz he posted all the things that are wrong in tbis guitar, which I also recognized and thats the reason I posted. Aside from the case, what makes you think this is real. Post your argument and don't just dissed people.

BTW, one guitar I was selling before got questioned here too because it was different and the people who posted here are the ones who argued that it was real and posted information for that guitar.

pinefd · 03-21-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LPCollector

On top of that, there were no Murphy Stinger's made for Music Machine in '03.....I don't even think there has ever been a Murphy Stinger.

Actually, Mark, there is one...and only one. And it's sitting in its case in my closet as we "speak".

Frank

Rollingrock · 03-21-2012, 02:01 PM

Let's get down to brass tacks here. It's just ugly! Tom Murphy's involvement is simply laughable. That head stock! That color! Ugggh! Keep away! I wouldn't touch it.

AxeBuilder · 03-21-2012, 02:52 PM

Amateur job! He should have at least watched some of Nico's videos!

major · 03-21-2012, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhun1976

Post your argument .

OK - here you go:

Knob Placement. Whilst Gibsons do vary in this regard, the placement of the knob nearest the tailpiece is not what would be found on regular fakes.

Knob pointers. Never seen on regular fakes.

Bridge support bolts. This guitar has the early thin supports screwed directly into the top. Regular fakes do NOT have these, and it is impossible to retro-fit onto a fake top. You would have to replace the WHOLE TOP to achieve this without leaving evidence.

Bridge bolt holes. Small holes – not 6mm (epiphone) ones as found on fakes.

Join between lower part of neck and top. Clean gap. Fakes invariably have a paint overlap here.

Non – widening binding in body cut-out (showing top wood). Consistent with genuine early Gibson production. Many collectors would like to see this on later Gibsons, but for sure, you’ll never see it done properly on a fake.

Early (high) TRC placement. TRCs can obviously be replaced, but placing a TRC this far up a fake’s headstock is impossible. The gap between the nut and truss-rod hole is simply not big enough.

“Les Paul model” badging on headstock. The variable line thickness is consistent with a REAL logo. The fakes have thinner strokes to the lettering.

“Gibson” logo lettering , including placement of the dot. As seen on REAL Gibsons. NOT seen on fakes.

There are a few other things too, but the above is surely enough.

So, whilst some of these “bits n bobs” could be retrofitted onto a fake, it would be very difficult, and quite expensive – and some simply could NOT be done.

The ONLY way this guitar could be a fake is if it had been completely hand-made from bare wood upwards, with the sole purpose of deception. Even then, there are aspects of this guitar that could not easily be faked.
If you believe anyone would go to those lengths, then you are TRULY paranoid about fakes...

This guitar (IMHO) is an old guitar that has had some serious f***ing around. Whoever did the "ageing" needs to find another occupation. But it is not a fake Gibson.

LPCollector · 03-21-2012, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by major

Paranoia strikes again!

The guy might be over-egging the history of the guitar (claiming TM's involvement, when in reality it's just a knackered old refretted guitar), but that is a real Gibson, and should not be called "fake".....

Quote:

Originally Posted by major

The OP did - at the top of thread - or don't you read that far?

He says "fake", and everyone basically says "oh yes - how horrid" (and no-one disagrees with his original statement).

You guys just love the "holier than thou" dissing of axes for sale. Paranoia.......

Quote:

Originally Posted by major

They probably are then. They're double ringed, so they are certainly not original.

I'd boil the guy in oil

LPCollector · 03-21-2012, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by major

OK - here you go:

Knob Placement. Whilst Gibsons do vary in this regard, the placement of the knob nearest the tailpiece is not what would be found on regular fakes.

Knob pointers. Never seen on regular fakes.

Bridge support bolts. This guitar has the early thin supports screwed directly into the top. Regular fakes do NOT have these, and it is impossible to retro-fit onto a fake top. You would have to replace the WHOLE TOP to achieve this.

Bridge bolt holes. Small holes – not 6mm (epiphone) ones as found on fakes.

Join between lower part of neck and top. Clean gap. Fakes invariably have a paint overlap here.

Non – widening binding in body cut-out (showing top wood). Consistent with genuine early Gibson production. Many collectors would like to see this on later Gibsons, but for sure, you’ll never see it done properly on a fake.

TRC placement. TRCs can obviously be replaced, but placing a TRC this far up a fake’s headstock is impossible. The gap between the nut a truss-rod hole is simply not big enough.

“Les Paul model” badging on headstock. The variable line thickness is consistent with a REAL logo. The fakes have thinner strokes to the lettering.

“Gibson” logo lettering , including placement of the dot. As seen on REAL Gibsons. NOT seen on fakes.

There are a few other things too, but the above is surely enough.

So, whilst some of these “bits n bobs” could be retrofitted onto a fake, it would be very difficult, and quite expensive – and some simply could NOT be done.

The ONLY way this guitar could be a fake is if it had been completely hand-made from bare wood upwards, with the sole purpose of deception.
And if you believe anyone would go to those lengths, then you are TRULY paranoid about fakes...

This guitar (IMHO) is an old guitar that has had some serious f***ing around. Whoever did the "ageing" needs to find another occupation. But it is not a fake Gibson.

Hellooooooooo!

You are correct only by saying it is a real Gibson......to that I agree.

The Stinger and stating the TM aging, IS said with the attempt to defraud.....it is definatelty a fake from that standpoint.

Your continued statements of "paranoia" have crossed the line from discussion, to down right name calling.

LPCollector · 03-21-2012, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinefd

Actually, Mark, there is one...and only one. And it's sitting in its case in my closet as we "speak".
Frank

I don't believe you at all Frank................

We are gonna need to see some pictures!

major · 03-21-2012, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LPCollector

Your continued statements of "paranoia" have crossed the line from discussion, to down right name calling.

I'll try not to lose sleep over it, my friend. As I'm sure you will too

LPCollector · 03-21-2012, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by major

I'll try not to lose sleep over it, my friend. As I'm sure you will too

Congrats on your 100th post!
BIG LOVE!

jhun1976 · 03-21-2012, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by major

OK - here you go:

Knob Placement. Whilst Gibsons do vary in this regard, the placement of the knob nearest the tailpiece is not what would be found on regular fakes.

Knob pointers. Never seen on regular fakes.

Bridge support bolts. This guitar has the early thin supports screwed directly into the top. Regular fakes do NOT have these, and it is impossible to retro-fit onto a fake top. You would have to replace the WHOLE TOP to achieve this without leaving evidence.

Bridge bolt holes. Small holes – not 6mm (epiphone) ones as found on fakes.

Join between lower part of neck and top. Clean gap. Fakes invariably have a paint overlap here.

Non – widening binding in body cut-out (showing top wood). Consistent with genuine early Gibson production. Many collectors would like to see this on later Gibsons, but for sure, you’ll never see it done properly on a fake.

Early (high) TRC placement. TRCs can obviously be replaced, but placing a TRC this far up a fake’s headstock is impossible. The gap between the nut and truss-rod hole is simply not big enough.

“Les Paul model” badging on headstock. The variable line thickness is consistent with a REAL logo. The fakes have thinner strokes to the lettering.

“Gibson” logo lettering , including placement of the dot. As seen on REAL Gibsons. NOT seen on fakes.

There are a few other things too, but the above is surely enough.

So, whilst some of these “bits n bobs” could be retrofitted onto a fake, it would be very difficult, and quite expensive – and some simply could NOT be done.

The ONLY way this guitar could be a fake is if it had been completely hand-made from bare wood upwards, with the sole purpose of deception. Even then, there are aspects of this guitar that could not easily be faked.
If you believe anyone would go to those lengths, then you are TRULY paranoid about fakes...

This guitar (IMHO) is an old guitar that has had some serious f***ing around. Whoever did the "ageing" needs to find another occupation. But it is not a fake Gibson.

Good arguments there but to say I am paranoid about fakes is stupid. There's reasons, as stated before why I think it's fake. Also, the seller has a history of selling fake guitar so if you really think this seller is trustworthy and don't see my reasons then I gotta say that you are a moron.

major · 03-21-2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by LPCollector

Congrats on your 100th post!
BIG LOVE!

Only a few thousand to go, and then I can start to believe I am an "expert", like you guys

As a vocalist friend of mine used to say back in '69 - "Keep On Keepin' On"

Bubbletonic · 03-21-2012, 03:49 PM

No nibz, get out the pitchforks.

LPCollector · 03-21-2012, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by major

Only a few thousand to go, and then I can start to believe I am an "expert", like you guys

As a vocalist friend of mine used to say back in '69 - "Keep On Keepin' On"

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bubbletonic

No nibz, get out the pitchforks.

Stop it......my sides are hurting!

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jamman Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: So. Fla. Posts: 3,289 Thanks: 141 Thanked 148 Times in 24 Posts	Re: Stinger R8 I've never seen a TM guitar look like that . I seen quite a few, in hand . that's a joke . better off staying away from that . I smell something & and it ain't good . Imo, Lots of things not right about that 1. 7gtop likes this.

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LPCollector V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Where the Universe is conspiring in my favor. Posts: 4,879 Thanks: 33 Thanked 331 Times in 55 Posts	Re: Stinger R8 I agree....... Wrong font for the serial number. Double rings on an R8. (WTF?) Folded COA, not even opened up to see the serial number. Seller say's he bought the guitar in '03...shitty re-stamped serial number shows it as an '06. Don't even get me started on the missing pieces of inlay................ On top of that, there were no Murphy Stinger's made for Music Machine in '03.....I don't even think there has ever been a Murphy Stinger. NOT Tom Murphy's work!!!!!!! "Run, Forrest, RUN!!!!!!!! decoy205, guitarnut_germany and 7gtop like this. __________________ http://soundcloud.com/MarkDarby33/tracks

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Bubbletonic Bartlett Retrospec Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sheffield, England. Posts: 1,379 Thanks: 7 Thanked 41 Times in 15 Posts	Re: Stinger R8 Check out the lower strap button, WTF. Really ugly razor checking on that headstock, terrible. Where as to me it doesn't look like razor checking on the top, some parts look like hot-cold checking and then nearer the bridge looks like compressed air checking. Either way it looks a mess. Also no nibs? EDIT: He says he spent $500 on vintage pots and didn't even bother to take a picture of them? LPCollector likes this. __________________ Bubbletonic on Youtube:www.youtube.com/bubbletonic

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Rollingrock Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Over the hills and far away Posts: 356 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Stinger R8 Let's get down to brass tacks here. It's just ugly! Tom Murphy's involvement is simply laughable. That head stock! That color! Ugggh! Keep away! I wouldn't touch it.

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