2008 R7 Black Beauty

joedonner2001 · 03-17-2012, 11:44 AM

I'm watching this on ebay. Looks legit to me, but the seller claims that the case is the original one which came with the guitar when bought new...

Any warning lights?

nicolasrivera · 03-17-2012, 11:45 AM

Hope you win it, she is a beauty!

joedonner2001 · 03-17-2012, 11:50 AM

She is, but did they ever come with those cases? I didn't think so, so I'm wondering why the seller would say that's the original case (seller says it was bought new).

Also meant to ask if the wiring looks original?

nicolasrivera · 03-17-2012, 11:55 AM

Looks original to me, and the case fit into a period where they did it like that.

It's a go for me, hope you win it!

joedonner2001 · 03-17-2012, 12:02 PM

Thanks!

I thought they always came with the black custom shop cases...

Received pot codes via email. Do they fit the scenario?

"The Tone Pot codes i can make out are: R1379626 440 / R1379516 - the other 2 are obscured."

nicolasrivera · 03-17-2012, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joedonner2001

Thanks!

I thought they always came with the black custom shop cases...

Received pot codes via email. Do they fit the scenario?

"The Tone Pot codes i can make out are: R1379626 440 / R1379516 - the other 2 are obscured."

what year is she supposed to be?

joedonner2001 · 03-17-2012, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicolasrivera

what year is she supposed to be?

Seller says 2008...and says it was bought new.

nicolasrivera · 03-17-2012, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joedonner2001

Thanks!

I thought they always came with the black custom shop cases...

Received pot codes via email. Do they fit the scenario?

"The Tone Pot codes i can make out are: R1379626 440 / R1379516 - the other 2 are obscured."

Pots on this new guitars don't necessarily serve to date them, not like on the vintage ones any way. They could be old stock or something...

This potentiometer (R1379626 440) was made by
CTS Corporation (Chicago Telephone Supply)
in the 26th week of 1996

This potentiometer (R1379516) was made by
CTS Corporation (Chicago Telephone Supply)
in the 16th week of 1995

joedonner2001 · 03-17-2012, 12:30 PM

Well the case and those pot codes bothered me. Not really sure what to make of it all.

nicolasrivera · 03-17-2012, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joedonner2001

Well the case and those pot codes bothered me. Not really sure what to make of it all.

Well don't let those pots get in the way, you will eventually change them. There are better CTS post out there that are audio taper and will give you better tone out go your guitars, we all at one point or another change them!.

454C3 · 03-17-2012, 12:43 PM

I think it is a 1997 R7 and not a 2008..that would explain the pots and the disk caps.

Midnight Blues · 03-17-2012, 12:48 PM

Good luck Joe!

Tim Plains · 03-17-2012, 12:49 PM

That's not a 2008 Custom.

joedonner2001 · 03-17-2012, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicolasrivera

Well don't let those pots get in the way, you will eventually change them. There are better CTS post out there that are audio taper and will give you better tone out go your guitars, we all at one point or another change them!.

Thanks for the advice, mate!

joedonner2001 · 03-17-2012, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 454C3

I think it is a 1997 R7 and not a 2008..that would explain the pots and the disk caps.

Well, that is exactly why I'm asking for advice. It just didn't sound right to me.

joedonner2001 · 03-17-2012, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R9.

That's not a 2008 Custom.

What is it then?

This is gonna be fun, by the looks of it...

Tim Plains · 03-17-2012, 12:55 PM

Joe, first off, the second digit in the serial number isn't an even an 8 and 454C3 mentioned the rest.
Read up on Gibson serial numbers before you start looking at guitars.
And, from the looks of this thread, don't ask nicolasrivera for authentication. Jebus...

joedonner2001 · 03-17-2012, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R9.

Joe, first off, the second digit in the serial number isn't an 8 and 454C3 mentioned the rest. Read up on Gibson serial numbers before you start looking at guitars.

Dude...seriously. Just asking for advice. No need for this.

I'll consider advice from anyone who is kind enough to give it freely.

nicolasrivera · 03-17-2012, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joedonner2001

Dude...seriously. Just asking for advice. No need for this.

I'll consider advice from anyone who is kind enough to give it freely.

Don't put too much attention to R9, not worth it that much...

Tim Plains · 03-17-2012, 01:04 PM

No need for what? I just said you should learn how to read Gibson serial numbers before you spend any money.

First digit: 7 for 1957
Second digit: year made. 7 is for 1997 or 2007.

If you knew that, you would have known this guitar can't be a 2008 before you started this thread.

campbellj · 03-17-2012, 01:09 PM

Good luck with the bidding!

nicolasrivera · 03-17-2012, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R9.

No need for what? I just said you should learn how to read Gibson serial numbers before you spend any money.

First digit: 7 for 1957
Second digit: year made. 7 is for 1997 or 2007.

If you knew that, you would have known this guitar can't be a 2008 before you started this thread.

Don't be too harsh Tim!!! if your not helping your.... you know.

joedonner2001 · 03-17-2012, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R9.

No need for what? I just said you should learn how to read Gibson serial numbers before you spend any money.

First digit: 7 for 1957
Second digit: year made. 7 is for 1997 or 2007.

If you knew that, you would have known this guitar can't be a 2008 before you started this thread.

Sometimes you want to see what people say without influencing their opinions with your own.

From the serial number I thought it was an R7. Wasn't sure about the year, though. Funny that I then thought to ask the seller for the pot codes? They indicate 1997 as more likely. But those can be changed. Hence I asked whether the wiring looked original.

I.e. I thought I knew what it was, but wasn't 100% sure.

You may have meant it otherwise, but I read your post as being condescending. If not, then apologies.

welland · 03-17-2012, 01:32 PM

I bought an R4 GT from 1996 and it came with that brown Gibson guitar case.
Black cases were issued for the later reissue LPs.

joedonner2001 · 03-17-2012, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by welland

I bought an R4 GT from 1996 and it came with that brown Gibson guitar case.
Black cases were issued for the later reissue LPs.

Thank you! That is very helpful to know.

Tim Plains · 03-17-2012, 01:53 PM

Joe, I wasn't. The only person here I talk down to is nicolasrivera but he deserves it with all the crap I mean facts he used to post about 2001 R8s.

The pots on a 2007 R7BB would be completely flat at the back and it would have (fake) Bumblebee caps. The pots/caps in that guitar are probably the originals but you can tell just by looking at the solder joints that they have been broken.

Most people who buy new historics probably keep the receipt. If you are still interested in buying this guitar, ask this seller to show it to you and prove he bought it new in 2008.

joedonner2001 · 03-17-2012, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R9.

Joe, I wasn't. The only person here I talk down to is nicolasrivera but he deserves it with all the crap I mean facts he used to post about 2001 R8s.

The pots on a 2007 R7BB would be completely flat at the back and it would have (fake) Bumblebee caps. The pots/caps in that guitar are probably the originals but you can tell just by looking at the solder joints that they have been broken.

Most people who buy new historics probably keep the receipt. If you are still interested in buying this guitar, ask this seller to show it to you and prove he bought it new in 2008.

No worries and apologies for me taking it as being such.

I don't know much about pots apart from the year|week way of deciphering their codes, but I have a 2006 R7 and it has the bumblebee caps. So yes, I expected this one to have them, too.

I can't tell from looking at the solder joints whether they've been tampered with, so thanks for that.

Ok, so by serial number and pot codes and the case it appears that this is a 1997 R7, but that the wiring has been tampered with at some point.

I appreciate all the replies. The guitar is a bit pricey and what I don't like is when a seller states x, y, and z as fact when they're blatantly not. So we'll see about this one. I'll ask the seller for clarification.

Thanks all.

Curlymaple · 03-17-2012, 03:14 PM

definitely 1997 LPB7, pots('96 n '95) left over from that year and the guitar 4sale is an early 1997 and the brown orig case confirm this, not 2008 which everyone agrees, comes with black case.

joedonner2001 · 03-17-2012, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curlymaple

definitely 1997 LPB7, pots('96 n '95) left over from that year and the guitar 4sale is an early 1997 and the brown orig case confirm this, not 2008 which everyone agrees, comes with black case.

If that's your girl in your avatar then I don't know wtf you're messing about on forums for...

Curlymaple · 03-17-2012, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joedonner2001

If that's your girl in your avatar then I don't know wtf you're messing about on forums for...

she likes this one, too.

...oh BTW, this is 2007.

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joedonner2001 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: UK Posts: 2,019 Thanks: 1 Thanked 9 Times in 4 Posts	Re: 2008 R7 Black Beauty She is, but did they ever come with those cases? I didn't think so, so I'm wondering why the seller would say that's the original case (seller says it was bought new). Also meant to ask if the wiring looks original?

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joedonner2001 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: UK Posts: 2,019 Thanks: 1 Thanked 9 Times in 4 Posts	Re: 2008 R7 Black Beauty Thanks! I thought they always came with the black custom shop cases... Received pot codes via email. Do they fit the scenario? "The Tone Pot codes i can make out are: R1379626 440 / R1379516 - the other 2 are obscured."

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joedonner2001 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: UK Posts: 2,019 Thanks: 1 Thanked 9 Times in 4 Posts	Re: 2008 R7 Black Beauty Well the case and those pot codes bothered me. Not really sure what to make of it all.

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Tim Plains Bartlett Retrospec Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 9,345 Thanks: 638 Thanked 672 Times in 76 Posts	Re: 2008 R7 Black Beauty That's not a 2008 Custom. __________________ Tim really wants that Bartlett Retrospec. Fingers crossed!!

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Tim Plains Bartlett Retrospec Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 9,345 Thanks: 638 Thanked 672 Times in 76 Posts	Re: 2008 R7 Black Beauty Joe, first off, the second digit in the serial number isn't an even an 8 and 454C3 mentioned the rest. Read up on Gibson serial numbers before you start looking at guitars. And, from the looks of this thread, don't ask nicolasrivera for authentication. Jebus... __________________ Tim really wants that Bartlett Retrospec. Fingers crossed!!

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Tim Plains Bartlett Retrospec Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 9,345 Thanks: 638 Thanked 672 Times in 76 Posts	Re: 2008 R7 Black Beauty No need for what? I just said you should learn how to read Gibson serial numbers before you spend any money. First digit: 7 for 1957 Second digit: year made. 7 is for 1997 or 2007. If you knew that, you would have known this guitar can't be a 2008 before you started this thread. __________________ Tim really wants that Bartlett Retrospec. Fingers crossed!!

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campbellj Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Sunny South Florida Posts: 1,298 Thanks: 11 Thanked 40 Times in 9 Posts	Re: 2008 R7 Black Beauty Good luck with the bidding!

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welland Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 2008 R7 Black Beauty I bought an R4 GT from 1996 and it came with that brown Gibson guitar case. Black cases were issued for the later reissue LPs. joedonner2001 likes this.

03-17-2012, 01:53 PM	#26 (permalink)
Tim Plains Bartlett Retrospec Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 9,345 Thanks: 638 Thanked 672 Times in 76 Posts	Re: 2008 R7 Black Beauty Joe, I wasn't. The only person here I talk down to is nicolasrivera but he deserves it with all the crap I mean facts he used to post about 2001 R8s. The pots on a 2007 R7BB would be completely flat at the back and it would have (fake) Bumblebee caps. The pots/caps in that guitar are probably the originals but you can tell just by looking at the solder joints that they have been broken. Most people who buy new historics probably keep the receipt. If you are still interested in buying this guitar, ask this seller to show it to you and prove he bought it new in 2008. __________________ Tim really wants that Bartlett Retrospec. Fingers crossed!!

03-17-2012, 03:14 PM	#28 (permalink)
Curlymaple Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 881 Thanks: 82 Thanked 17 Times in 7 Posts	Re: 2008 R7 Black Beauty definitely 1997 LPB7, pots('96 n '95) left over from that year and the guitar 4sale is an early 1997 and the brown orig case confirm this, not 2008 which everyone agrees, comes with black case.

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