Upgrading my Page grovers......again

DADGAD · 11-23-2011, 07:11 PM

I just recently changed out the gold grovers that came with my Page custom authentic with a set of USA gold (worn to nickel) grovers. I really liked them but wished there was a little more gold left like the originals. I just picked up a set of gold pat pending grovers that are more like the originals. Now I'm not exactly sure if they are 50's like the eBay ad, but from searching old threads they seem more like 60's. The pics in the old threads were gone so I don't really know. I have some comparision shots of the pat pending grovers with the stock Page ones. Some purists may say that Page only used USA ones, but does anyone know if he EVER used pat pendings?
The washers aren't original as is one of the screws. It's pretty much a drop in mod so I'm not worried about resale value, because I don't plan on ever selling my Page ever!

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Page vs. Pat pend
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Here is the last change I did. USA gold( worn to a chrome/nickel)
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Jessenoah · 11-24-2011, 12:16 AM

Jimmy's were not pat pend grovers...but those look really nice and probably work better!

JimmyAce2006 · 11-24-2011, 12:53 AM

I have 3 extra sets of gold Patent Pending Grovers......

DADGAD · 11-24-2011, 02:10 AM

I was searching old threads trying to find info on pat pend grovers and I noticed that you were able to score some wicked deals on those grovers. Some go for outrageous prices. One guy wants $700 for his set!!!!

Lowdown · 11-24-2011, 02:52 AM

Saw that one myself. Freakn ridiculous.
Though I'm one to talk,ain't I Jimmy

Alekseriator · 11-24-2011, 04:32 AM

Well this might help a little:

The back of the headstock on jimmy's #1

DADGAD · 11-24-2011, 12:49 PM

Here are some installed shots and in between.

Front is USA, middle stock Page, farthest is pat pend
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Right side USA.
Left side is (top to bottom)
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Page
Pat pend
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Pat pend installed
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Stock Page setup
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Hawk · 11-24-2011, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DADGAD

I just recently changed out the gold grovers that came with my Page custom authentic with a set of USA gold (worn to nickel) grovers. I really liked them but wished there was a little more gold left like the originals. I just picked up a set of gold pat pending grovers that are more like the originals. Now I'm not exactly sure if they are 50's like the eBay ad, but from searching old threads they seem more like 60's. The pics in the old threads were gone so I don't really know. I have some comparision shots of the pat pending grovers with the stock Page ones. Some purists may say that Page only used USA ones, but does anyone know if he EVER used pat pendings?
The washers aren't original as is one of the screws. It's pretty much a drop in mod so I'm not worried about resale value, because I don't plan on ever selling my Page ever!

My understanding is that those are early 60's as mine are below. The 59's had a gold cap over the black ends that you see in the pics.

If anyone is looking for a set of gold, I have a one that I would be willing to part with. Those interested shoot me an offer...
I think I have a set in nickel as well...

DADGAD · 11-24-2011, 03:34 PM

Hey, what is the difference between the pat pendings where it is written on the outer circumference of the circle versus the ones which the words are set in closer to the center?

KenG · 11-27-2011, 10:51 PM

OP if the new ones are a drop in replacement then resale won't be an issue if you retain the old set to reinstall later anyway. ie a reversible mod!

DADGAD · 11-27-2011, 11:24 PM

Yeah, I wouldnt have done it I had to ream the holes. I definitely am keeping all the stock parts. The grovers dropped in perfectly.

deepblue · 11-28-2011, 09:27 AM

So let me get this straight....these just pop in using one of the existing screw holes, and there is no reaming the post hole?

DADGAD · 11-28-2011, 07:54 PM

Dropped right in. Even the screw hole lines up. Zero reaming. But keep in mind it was already drilled for grovers. My classic had klusons and I had to ream the holes to out fit grovers.

SKATTERBRANE · 11-28-2011, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DADGAD

Hey, what is the difference between the pat pendings where it is written on the outer circumference of the circle versus the ones which the words are set in closer to the center?

If I recall correctly the one around the circumference is the older version. I have a set of both versions in silver.

SKATTERBRANE · 11-28-2011, 08:25 PM

Here are some various versions of USA Grovers. The Pat Pend around the circumference version is not pictured. But post #8 has those pictured above.

SKATTERBRANE · 11-28-2011, 08:28 PM

Yes, the capped versions are the original version. I have a set of those. I will post a picture this week, if I remember to.

SKATTERBRANE · 11-28-2011, 08:38 PM

There is also another version that is bigger and bulkier. It has a flat (rather than convex) back. It comes in Pat Pend and Star versions. Gibson never put them on Les Pauls from the factory.

DADGAD · 11-28-2011, 09:50 PM

Thanks for the pics Skatter. I think vintage grovers are still a relatively inexpensive upgrade that really changes the looks alot vs other mods.

SKATTERBRANE · 11-28-2011, 09:55 PM

All my Les Pauls wear Grovers, or they wear nothing at all.

DADGAD · 11-28-2011, 10:10 PM

My ideal set was a gold, worn to nickel set of USA Grovers to make my Page more period correct. Couldnt find those( my USA's were too shiny nickel) so I went a little further back in time for the Pat pend's.

SKATTERBRANE · 12-01-2011, 05:26 PM

Period appropriate for 1950's Les Pauls would be this example of Grover. Notice the end cap that covers the opposite end of the key. Later models from the early 60's have the black machine mechanism exposed. All pat pend Grovers bring big bucks, but these are the most desirable.

DADGAD · 12-01-2011, 08:41 PM

I don't suppose you have any extra gold washers?

Lowdown · 12-01-2011, 08:55 PM

…or pearloid Grover's…?

11-23-2011, 07:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
DADGAD Man of means by no means Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Vancouver, B.C Posts: 2,475 Thanks: 19 Thanked 12 Times in 8 Posts	Upgrading my Page grovers......again I just recently changed out the gold grovers that came with my Page custom authentic with a set of USA gold (worn to nickel) grovers. I really liked them but wished there was a little more gold left like the originals. I just picked up a set of gold pat pending grovers that are more like the originals. Now I'm not exactly sure if they are 50's like the eBay ad, but from searching old threads they seem more like 60's. The pics in the old threads were gone so I don't really know. I have some comparision shots of the pat pending grovers with the stock Page ones. Some purists may say that Page only used USA ones, but does anyone know if he EVER used pat pendings? The washers aren't original as is one of the screws. It's pretty much a drop in mod so I'm not worried about resale value, because I don't plan on ever selling my Page ever! [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] Page vs. Pat pend [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] Here is the last change I did. USA gold( worn to a chrome/nickel) [IMG][/IMG] Last edited by DADGAD; 11-23-2011 at 08:01 PM.

11-24-2011, 12:16 AM	#2 (permalink)
Jessenoah Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: stuck in Lodi again Posts: 5,921 Thanks: 369 Thanked 268 Times in 93 Posts	Re: Upgrading my Page grovers......again Jimmy's were not pat pend grovers...but those look really nice and probably work better! __________________ My Website http://jessecosta.webs.com/ required reading for any zep fan http://wholelottaled.webs.com/

11-24-2011, 12:53 AM	#3 (permalink)
JimmyAce2006 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 9,008 Thanks: 111 Thanked 448 Times in 90 Posts	Re: Upgrading my Page grovers......again I have 3 extra sets of gold Patent Pending Grovers...... __________________ My guitars: http://www.historiclespauls.com/gear...r=JimmyAce2006 My Metacafe channel: http://www.metacafe.com/channels/jimmyace2006/ My Youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/JohnnyAce07

11-24-2011, 02:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
DADGAD Man of means by no means Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Vancouver, B.C Posts: 2,475 Thanks: 19 Thanked 12 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Upgrading my Page grovers......again I was searching old threads trying to find info on pat pend grovers and I noticed that you were able to score some wicked deals on those grovers. Some go for outrageous prices. One guy wants $700 for his set!!!!

11-24-2011, 02:52 AM	#5 (permalink)
Lowdown Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 158 Thanked 44 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Upgrading my Page grovers......again Saw that one myself. Freakn ridiculous. Though I'm one to talk,ain't I Jimmy

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11-24-2011, 04:32 AM	#6 (permalink)
Alekseriator Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NZ, North island Posts: 563 Thanks: 18 Thanked 17 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Upgrading my Page grovers......again Well this might help a little: The back of the headstock on jimmy's #1 Jessenoah likes this. __________________ Alex Guitars: Gibson Les Paul Standard 2006 Amps: Marchall class 5 selling atm soon to be mine Blackstar HT 40/60

11-24-2011, 12:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
DADGAD Man of means by no means Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Vancouver, B.C Posts: 2,475 Thanks: 19 Thanked 12 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Upgrading my Page grovers......again Here are some installed shots and in between. Front is USA, middle stock Page, farthest is pat pend [IMG][/IMG] Right side USA. Left side is (top to bottom) USA Page Pat pend [IMG][/IMG] Pat pend installed [IMG][/IMG] Stock Page setup [IMG][/IMG] Jessenoah likes this.

11-24-2011, 03:34 PM	#9 (permalink)
DADGAD Man of means by no means Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Vancouver, B.C Posts: 2,475 Thanks: 19 Thanked 12 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Upgrading my Page grovers......again Hey, what is the difference between the pat pendings where it is written on the outer circumference of the circle versus the ones which the words are set in closer to the center?

11-27-2011, 10:51 PM	#10 (permalink)
KenG Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Airdrie, Alberta Canada Posts: 3,447 Thanks: 19 Thanked 39 Times in 15 Posts	Re: Upgrading my Page grovers......again OP if the new ones are a drop in replacement then resale won't be an issue if you retain the old set to reinstall later anyway. ie a reversible mod! __________________ If you can keep your head while all about you lose theirs,.... you obviously haven't grasped the situation!! GEAR 2010 CS 50th Aniversary R0 V2 from Guitar Works 2012 CS R8 Iced Tea from Eddie's Guitars 2010 CS R7 Gold Top from Eddies's Guitars POD HD500 VOX Valvetronix VT30

11-27-2011, 11:24 PM	#11 (permalink)
DADGAD Man of means by no means Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Vancouver, B.C Posts: 2,475 Thanks: 19 Thanked 12 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Upgrading my Page grovers......again Yeah, I wouldnt have done it I had to ream the holes. I definitely am keeping all the stock parts. The grovers dropped in perfectly.

11-28-2011, 09:27 AM	#12 (permalink)
deepblue Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,688 Thanks: 195 Thanked 134 Times in 47 Posts	Re: Upgrading my Page grovers......again So let me get this straight....these just pop in using one of the existing screw holes, and there is no reaming the post hole? __________________ __________________________________________________ _______________________________________

11-28-2011, 07:54 PM	#13 (permalink)
DADGAD Man of means by no means Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Vancouver, B.C Posts: 2,475 Thanks: 19 Thanked 12 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Upgrading my Page grovers......again Dropped right in. Even the screw hole lines up. Zero reaming. But keep in mind it was already drilled for grovers. My classic had klusons and I had to ream the holes to out fit grovers.

11-28-2011, 08:25 PM	#15 (permalink)
SKATTERBRANE Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 21,441 Thanks: 603 Thanked 549 Times in 185 Posts	Re: Upgrading my Page grovers......again Here are some various versions of USA Grovers. The Pat Pend around the circumference version is not pictured. But post #8 has those pictured above.

11-28-2011, 08:28 PM	#16 (permalink)
SKATTERBRANE Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 21,441 Thanks: 603 Thanked 549 Times in 185 Posts	Re: Upgrading my Page grovers......again Yes, the capped versions are the original version. I have a set of those. I will post a picture this week, if I remember to.

11-28-2011, 08:38 PM	#17 (permalink)
SKATTERBRANE Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 21,441 Thanks: 603 Thanked 549 Times in 185 Posts	Re: Upgrading my Page grovers......again There is also another version that is bigger and bulkier. It has a flat (rather than convex) back. It comes in Pat Pend and Star versions. Gibson never put them on Les Pauls from the factory.

11-28-2011, 09:50 PM	#18 (permalink)
DADGAD Man of means by no means Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Vancouver, B.C Posts: 2,475 Thanks: 19 Thanked 12 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Upgrading my Page grovers......again Thanks for the pics Skatter. I think vintage grovers are still a relatively inexpensive upgrade that really changes the looks alot vs other mods.

11-28-2011, 09:55 PM	#19 (permalink)
SKATTERBRANE Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 21,441 Thanks: 603 Thanked 549 Times in 185 Posts	Re: Upgrading my Page grovers......again All my Les Pauls wear Grovers, or they wear nothing at all.

11-28-2011, 10:10 PM	#20 (permalink)
DADGAD Man of means by no means Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Vancouver, B.C Posts: 2,475 Thanks: 19 Thanked 12 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Upgrading my Page grovers......again My ideal set was a gold, worn to nickel set of USA Grovers to make my Page more period correct. Couldnt find those( my USA's were too shiny nickel) so I went a little further back in time for the Pat pend's.

12-01-2011, 05:26 PM	#21 (permalink)
SKATTERBRANE Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 21,441 Thanks: 603 Thanked 549 Times in 185 Posts	Re: Upgrading my Page grovers......again Period appropriate for 1950's Les Pauls would be this example of Grover. Notice the end cap that covers the opposite end of the key. Later models from the early 60's have the black machine mechanism exposed. All pat pend Grovers bring big bucks, but these are the most desirable. Lowdown likes this.

12-01-2011, 08:41 PM	#22 (permalink)
DADGAD Man of means by no means Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Vancouver, B.C Posts: 2,475 Thanks: 19 Thanked 12 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Upgrading my Page grovers......again I don't suppose you have any extra gold washers?

12-01-2011, 08:55 PM	#23 (permalink)
Lowdown Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 158 Thanked 44 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Upgrading my Page grovers......again …or pearloid Grover's…?

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