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Best Year(s) for a R9 Les Paul

I know this has been asked a thousand times, but I can't find it...

Any suggestions...? And why...?
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Re: Best Year(s) for a R9 Les Paul

How about an original vintage 1959.

It's about as good as it gets.
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Re: Best Year(s) for a R9 Les Paul

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How about an original vintage 1959.

It's about as good as it gets.
I meant a Re-issue (R9)
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Re: Best Year(s) for a R9 Les Paul

Everyone's gonna say that there's so many made each year that there are no "good" and "bad" years, even for custom shop R9s. However, my unbiased observations (based on reading posts in this forum) lead me to believe 2003 was a good year.
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Re: Best Year(s) for a R9 Les Paul

O.K., Historic's

I like the 2009 to current ones. Different dealers has different limited runs and of course the stock ones from Gibson.

Starting in 2009, there was about 20 something improvements done.

I have had just about every year made of the Historic's.

Not counting my 2006 HM Real Deal makeover, favorite is a 2011 B.O.T.B. one from GC

You will get about one hundred different answers, because the best year
will be what you like. That is all that matters.
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Re: Best Year(s) for a R9 Les Paul

I'll agree with the "new" guy above that the 2009+ Historics have a number of improvements over previous years. Then again, fretboard material and nitro composition are argued to have been better in earlier years.

I think I once heard a guy here say that 2001 R8s are ok. I can't recall where I heard that? hmmmmmmmmm
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Re: Best Year(s) for a R9 Les Paul

Yah, Seems I heard that also.

Also heard that was the worst year and they are a dime a dozen. LOL

And the aged ones suck.
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Re: Best Year(s) for a R9 Les Paul

Easy. Whichever ones I own.
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Re: Best Year(s) for a R9 Les Paul

I like 2001 & 2007. 2009 is pretty good as well.

Obviously 2003 with BRW is sought after.

This is based on my collection & what I have played so I cannot be 100% accurate.
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Re: Best Year(s) for a R9 Les Paul

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Re: Best Year(s) for a R9 Les Paul

As said in all of these types of threads there are bad guitars and good guitars from every year. IMO unless you are someone that has worked for the Gibson Custom Shop since day one in 1993 there won't be much accuracy in what is said about this topic. You'd have to handle 100s of CS guitars every year to even have a clue about consistency in regards to good years. Since most people here don't even work for Gibson nor are even a dealer your gonna get favoritism in the years people own.
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This is based on my collection & what I have played so I cannot be 100% accurate.
This is what I'm saying right here. People judge by what they own and the RIs they have been able to get their hands on. Having said that, the info has no base of accuracy. It's favoritism of what people own and limited experience of certain years and most likely no experience of some years.
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Re: Best Year(s) for a R9 Les Paul

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As said in all of these types of threads there are bad guitars and good guitars from every year. That says nothing about the consistency of a years guitars as the few you played could have just been a few of the good ones. IMO unless you are someone that has worked for the Gibson Custom Shop since day one in 1993 there won't be much accuracy in what is said about this topic.
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Re: Best Year(s) for a R9 Les Paul

Okay, some of these years are more "correct" than others, but 1999, 2003, 2007 and 2009.

If I could cherrypick the
nitro from the 99, the braz from the 03 (well some of them), the top from 07 and all the updates and the color from 09.
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1994 1995 2002 and 2009
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Re: Best Year(s) for a R9 Les Paul

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This is what I'm saying right here. People judge by what they own and the RIs they have been able to get their hands on. Having said that, the info has no base of accuracy. It's favoritism of what people own and limited experience of certain years and most likely no experience of some years.
It's the forum way! Anyone who doesn't realize that doesn't belong on a forum.

If I bought new, I'd be getting a 2011 Wildwood-spec R9. Wildwood's very demanding of Gibson, and gets the details (and creative, non-authentic colors), right, IMO.

Other than that, 2004, of course, 'cause that's what I own (though it's an R8).
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Other than that, 2004, of course, 'cause that's what I own (though it's an R8).
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Re: Best Year(s) for a R9 Les Paul

This thread may be worth a sticky since it is asked so much. And since the answer never changes....
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Re: Best Year(s) for a R9 Les Paul

1998 and 2003 would be the two years I'd try to acquire first. And I agree about the recent ones...very good instruments indeed.
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Any suggestions...? And why...?

none...


they are still making them.
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This thread may be worth a sticky since it is asked so much. And since the answer never changes....
There already is that "Historic Changes by Year" thread sticky. That covers much of the same ground but leaves opinions out of it.
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There already is that "Historic Changes by Year" thread sticky. That covers much of the same ground but leaves opinions out of it.
That covers historical accuracy and changes made by year..... What does that have to do with best year(s) of historics in general (tonewise and feelwise included)? Last time I checked we were talking about better year(s) overall and not necessarly historical accuracy here.
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That covers historical accuracy and changes made by year. What does that have to do with best year(s) of historics in general (tonewise and feelwise included)?. Last time I checked we were talking about better year(s) overall and not necessarly historical accuracy here.

What sounds better, a warm guitar or a bright guitar?

What feels better, a fat neck or a slim neck?
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What sounds better, a warm guitar or a bright guitar?

What feels better, a fat neck or a slim neck?
Nevermind dude. Forget it.
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i'll agree with the "new" guy above that the 2009+ historics have a number of improvements over previous years. Then again, fretboard material and nitro composition are argued to have been better in earlier years.

i think i once heard a guy here say that 2001 r8s are ok. I can't recall where i heard that? hmmmmmmmmm
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Nevermind dude. Forget it.

Hope I didn't come across as a smartass. I tend to do that sometimes as I have a somewhat sarcastic sense of humor. I only meant to illustrate that "best" in tone and feel is individual preference. I meant no disrespect.

"Quality of craftsmanship" could definitely be something worth discussing that's not covered in the other thread.
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What sounds better, a warm guitar or a bright guitar?

What feels better, a fat neck or a slim neck?
Whatever I have, and you don't.
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This is what I'm saying right here. People judge by what they own and the RIs they have been able to get their hands on. Having said that, the info has no base of accuracy. It's favoritism of what people own and limited experience of certain years and most likely no experience of some years.
Also based my comments on feedback from the Forum & > 300 Les Pauls that have gone through my Luthier's hands since the mid 1990's or so, including Vintage (& a Burst). But in reality good & bad in all years, even Bursts.
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"Quality of craftsmanship" could definitely be something worth discussing that's not covered in the other thread.
Yeah, but that too would involve questions like:

How often was the dude hammering the saddle slots drinking too much that year?

Banal, at best. A guitar is good or it ain't. The guitar one is looking at from the best year might have been built the Monday after three key people's spouses left them for the pool boy, and be a piece of shit.
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as stated manny times before and largely known: 2003!
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