how do the historics compare to the real thing ?

[agustin barrios]

had my 2007 '57 bb two weeks today...what a great instrument. 10/10 !

in terms of overall build quality and tonal and playing quality, how do the historics compare to the real thing ? i'm aware of a few anomolies (b b capacitors, no longer using horse hair glue, historic bb dont have the fretlless wonder frets, historics have plekked necks)

anyone here owned both, wot are your thoughts ?

if you were blinfolded, and asked to play one from the other, do you honestly feel you could tell the difference ? and if you could, are the differences a bad thing ?

sorry if this post has already been asked...

paul

[Hemply]

Blindfolded playing my vintage 1969 LPC BB and my GC 2007 1968 RI LPC(unplugged because the PUPs are different) I could not tell the difference.
They "feel" like the same axe to me. There is a difference in weight my '69 BB weighs in at 9.0 lbs while my '07 1968 LPC weighs in at 12.6 lbs!

HTH

[jkinnison90]

12.6 lbs. DAMN

[loaded six string]

A historic is the REAL thing,it is a real Les Paul. A 1994 Les Paul standard is the REAL thing. Sorry to split hairs, but,there is no real FAKE Les Pauls made by Gibson. Only two types Vintage and non-vintage REAL Les Pauls.

[diceman]

(I believe the OP assumes that we understand he is asking how close a R8-0 is to a '58-60.)

[Red Baron]

I think you will find more consistantly great sounding bursts than you will Historic's, but that doesn't mean you can't find a Historic that will hold it's own against any but the very best sounding bursts, ultimately it comes down to the player... we've all seen superb guitars sound like absolute crap in the wrong hands.

[Mike60]

Oh Oh...

[FennRx]

i promise you i can make Jp's #1 or BG's Pearlie Gates sound like ass.

[Jake 2112]

Originally Posted by Hemply

Blindfolded playing my vintage 1969 LPC BB and my GC 2007 1968 RI LPC(unplugged because the PUPs are different) I could not tell the difference.
They "feel" like the same axe to me. There is a difference in weight my '69 BB weighs in at 9.0 lbs while my '07 1968 LPC weighs in at 12.6 lbs!

HTH

Holy crap! That must bekiller on your back

[Guido]

Originally Posted by jkinnison90

12.6 lbs. DAMN

Hows the back

[BurstintoFlames]

The Biggest difference is the fingerboard. The fingerboard on Historics are Indian Rosewood, on Real Bursts they are Brazilian Rosewood. Brazilian Rosewood is supposed to be the best tonewood for guitars, but Indian rosewood is not far behind. Brazilian Rosewood is basically outlawed for new production but you can use the stuff that was cut before July 11th?? 1991??
I think thats the rigth date. Anyway, its expensive. They used hide glue, better pots and caps.I would say pickups are a big deal, but not really since there are great PAF manufacturers out there today and you can sell the BB's for a good price, same with the caps. Now, if you want to get picky, some of the plastics arent the right color and the inlays arent either, the top carve on the maple top isnt deep enough, and the tailpeice is at a different angle. The truss rod is also differemt.The knobs arent exact. Did I miss anything? I learned alot of this from people on this forum, it is extreamly helpful.

But if you want a dead on exact historic, there are people that will do that for you.

Me, no I dont have a historic, or a burst, or ever played one. But I really want one. As my siggy says.

[Mike60]

...Oh Oh...

[Tim Plains]

I wouldn't mind seeing/hearing a clip of both guitars, one after the other using the same amp with the same settings.

[dwagar]

but no 2 guitars sound exactly the same. It could be 2 '08 R9s, and they'd sound different.

[TnT~55]

Originally Posted by BurstintoFlames

The Biggest difference is the fingerboard. The fingerboard on Historics are Indian Rosewood, on Real Bursts they are Brazilian Rosewood. Brazilian Rosewood is supposed to be the best tonewood for guitars, but Indian rosewood is not far behind. Brazilian Rosewood is basically outlawed for new production but you can use the stuff that was cut before July 11th?? 1991??
I think thats the rigth date. Anyway, its expensive. They used hide glue, better pots and caps.I would say pickups are a big deal, but not really since there are great PAF manufacturers out there today and you can sell the BB's for a good price, same with the caps. Now, if you want to get picky, some of the plastics arent the right color and the inlays arent either, the top carve on the maple top isnt deep enough, and the tailpeice is at a different angle. The truss rod is also differemt.The knobs arent exact. Did I miss anything? I learned alot of this from people on this forum, it is extreamly helpful.

But if you want a dead on exact historic, there are people that will do that for you.

Me, no I dont have a historic, or a burst, or ever played one. But I really want one. As my siggy says.

The historics have used Madagascar Rosewood since 2003, I think. Which is more in between Indian Rosewood and Brazilian Rosewood.

To the OP, there are definitely some historics which hold their own against some vintage bursts. And with some modifications you can even get them to be a bit more accurate. But if you were to take a stock historic and a vintage burst, I would imagine you could feel some difference between the two.

[thenowhereman]

Originally Posted by FennRx

i promise you i can make Jp's #1 or BG's Pearlie Gates sound like ass.

Now compare that to the "ass-like" sound you could make from a historic.

[Tim Plains]

Originally Posted by dwagar

but no 2 guitars sound exactly the same. It could be 2 '08 R9s, and they'd sound different.

Granted, but it would be nice just to see/hear how a reissue...any reissue...would stack up to the real thing.

[dennistruckdriver]

Originally Posted by FennRx

i promise you i can make Jp's #1 or BG's Pearlie Gates sound like ass.

lol:Excellent!

Originally Posted by thenowhereman

Now compare that to the "ass-like" sound you could make from a historic.

You guys are killin' me!

[Hemply]

Originally Posted by Jake 2112

Holy crap! That must bekiller on your back

Hehe yeah, but I only do studio work now a days so most of the time I'm sitting down.

She's a beast though, besides sitting allows me to get up close and personal with my amp to really get those 57 Classics locked in with the Celestians in my amp... HOT!

It's been about 19 years since I last played on a stage, so when I strap the LPC on she don't sit like she used to. It seems someone has snuck into my house in the middle of the night and replaced my 23 year old body with a 42 year old body!!! The Bastards!

I'm working on that though, eat vegitarian at least 4 days of the week, still working on the other 3 days. So since picking my 12.6 lb Behemoth (shh I think she heard me? ) I have been inspired and have dropped 27 lbs myself!

[dennistruckdriver]

Originally Posted by Hemply

It seems someone has snuck into my house in the middle of the night and replaced my 23 year old body with a 42 year old body!!! The Bastards!

Yeah.....bastards!

[Anchorman]

The wood (old growth mahogany)

The glue (hide glue, fish glue)

The finish (real nitro, without plasticisers)

[agustin barrios]

Originally Posted by Hemply

Blindfolded playing my vintage 1969 LPC BB and my GC 2007 1968 RI LPC(unplugged because the PUPs are different) I could not tell the difference.
They "feel" like the same axe to me. There is a difference in weight my '69 BB weighs in at 9.0 lbs while my '07 1968 LPC weighs in at 12.6 lbs!

HTH

12.6 lbs, it that a record ??

thx guys for yr replys...

you chaps always seem friendly, hoping to have some photos of my les pauls, and 94 lemon white strat plus too this week.

paul

[dennistruckdriver]

Originally Posted by agustin barrios

....you chaps always seem friendly....

Welcome, pal!
We are anxious to see your git-tars!

[agustin barrios]

Originally Posted by dennistruckdriver

Welcome, pal!
We are anxious to see your git-tars!

dennis,

give me a few days, perhaps unitl the weekend,

my main guitars:

ramirez 1A,
gib les paul custom bb 57 (2007) my fav,
lemon white strat plus 94 ( a real beauty)
2007 les paul classic with 60 neck profile, deep red cherry finish, not burst.

[Guido]

Hey agustin, are you Argentinian?

or do you speak spanish?

[agustin barrios]

Originally Posted by guido.c

Hey agustin, are you Argentinian?

or do you speak spanish?

british,

my favourite guitarist is a paragyuan legend called agustin barrios

[Guido]

Originally Posted by agustin barrios

british,

my favourite guitarist is a paragyuan legend called agustin barrios

I see now, in argentina Agustin is a very common name and Barrios a common surname too

[Lousyatit]

IMHO they don't compare. I have a late 50's Standard and a Brazilian R7. They have two things in common. They both have Gibson on the face of the headstock and they are both Les Paul models. The similarities end there.

[paulygates]

Hi Lousyatit. Can you post photos of your late 50's Standard. I'm sure others would like to see it.

....Please.

[Guido]

Originally Posted by Lousyatit

IMHO they don't compare. I have a late 50's Standard and a Brazilian R7. They have two things in common. They both have Gibson on the face of the headstock and they are both Les Paul models. The similarities end there.

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