Pre-Historic Question

iamjoe · 04-08-2011, 04:58 PM

Hello all,

Is a 1991 Les Paul Classic all gold considered a pre-historic R0?
Have a chance to buy used and thats the sales pitch

thanks!

27sauce · 04-08-2011, 05:02 PM

No

iamjoe · 04-08-2011, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 27sauce

No

Man, I'm glad this forum exists, people will say anything for a sale.

LeftyF2003 · 04-08-2011, 05:07 PM

No, it's not an R0. It's a Classic. This is an old misconception and sellers will use this as their sales pitch, but a Classic (though a very nice guitar) is not a pre-historic re-issue, and was a lower end guitar compared to the re-issues. Below is a 1990 / 1960 pre-historic re-issue (same one as my avatar. The classics have a smaller headstock, typically un-covered pickups and are marked in the pickup route. Some folks have gone so far as to change the pickguard / truss rod cover and sell Classics as re-issues outright. Always call Gibson and confirm what it is by the serial # to be sure. If the price is reasonable a Classic is a great guitar, it's just not considered a re-issue, and does not command the same $$.

Hope that helps

27sauce · 04-08-2011, 05:10 PM

To me, the biggest difference, besides the appearance, is that the Pre Historics have solid bodies and the Classics are weight relieved. Not saying one is better than the other, just stating a difference.

iamjoe · 04-08-2011, 05:20 PM

[QUOTE=LeftyF2003;2584373]No, it's not an R0. It's a Classic. This is an old misconception and sellers will use this as their sales pitch, but a Classic (though a very nice guitar) is not a pre-historic re-issue, and was a lower end guitar compared to the re-issues. Below is a 1990 / 1960 pre-historic re-issue (same one as my avatar. The classics have a smaller headstock, typically un-covered pickups and are marked in the pickup route. Some folks have gone so far as to change the pickguard / truss rod cover and sell Classics as re-issues outright. Always call Gibson and confirm what it is by the serial # to be sure. If the price is reasonable a Classic is a great guitar, it's just not considered a re-issue, and does not command the same $$.

Thanks Lefty,

Here are a few pictures, it is being offered for $1700.00

27sauce · 04-08-2011, 05:22 PM

That price isnt TOO crazy, IMO. They are cool guitars.

LeftyF2003 · 04-08-2011, 05:33 PM

That sounds about right, but I'd check with someone else up here that is familiar with current prices for these. I checked G-base and that looks to be in the ballpark, but could not find a 1991 gold top to compare apples to apples. From the pics it looks to be in great shape.

iamjoe · 04-08-2011, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeftyF2003

That sounds about right, but I'd check with someone else up here that is familiar with current prices for these. I checked G-base and that looks to be in the ballpark, but could not find a 1991 gold top to compare apples to apples. From the pics it looks to be in great shape.

Thanks Lefty! It is in mint condition.

LeftyF2003 · 04-08-2011, 05:42 PM

I would offer $1500.00 and see if they go for it. It's a buyers market right now, so it's no harm asking.

goodwater · 04-08-2011, 05:43 PM

I sold a 91 Classic a few months ago for 1900 so that price isn't bad

goodvibes · 04-08-2011, 07:55 PM

Check. With Gibson +1. It might be a limited edition because it has a gold finish on the back. I would offer a little less and tell him you need a couple days to have it checked by a good luthier.

iamjoe · 04-08-2011, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goodvibes

Check. With Gibson +1. It might be a limited edition because it has a gold finish on the back. I would offer a little less and tell him you need a couple days to have it checked by a good luthier.

I sent an email to gibson customer service a week ago, still waiting.

How else can it be verified?

joe

27sauce · 04-08-2011, 08:45 PM

Thats just the way the early GT Classics were, all gold. It only lasted for a year or two.

LeftyF2003 · 04-09-2011, 08:14 AM

If you have the serial # call Gibson directly at 1-800-4GIBSON (1-800-444-2766) - they seem to take forever to respond to email, but they are very helpful by phone.

04-08-2011, 04:58 PM	#1 (permalink)
iamjoe Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Across the River Styx Posts: 1,318 Thanks: 88 Thanked 65 Times in 34 Posts	Pre-Historic Question Hello all, Is a 1991 Les Paul Classic all gold considered a pre-historic R0? Have a chance to buy used and thats the sales pitch thanks! __________________

04-08-2011, 05:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
27sauce Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,396 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: Pre-Historic Question No __________________ Marc '59 Les Paul Junior '60 Melody Maker '62 SG Special '64 LG-1 '88 RI Les Paul '94 Les Paul Standard '07 CR8 and a ton of other non Gibson.

04-08-2011, 05:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
LeftyF2003 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: An island in the middle of a lake somewhere Posts: 3,056 Thanks: 9 Thanked 19 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Pre-Historic Question No, it's not an R0. It's a Classic. This is an old misconception and sellers will use this as their sales pitch, but a Classic (though a very nice guitar) is not a pre-historic re-issue, and was a lower end guitar compared to the re-issues. Below is a 1990 / 1960 pre-historic re-issue (same one as my avatar. The classics have a smaller headstock, typically un-covered pickups and are marked in the pickup route. Some folks have gone so far as to change the pickguard / truss rod cover and sell Classics as re-issues outright. Always call Gibson and confirm what it is by the serial # to be sure. If the price is reasonable a Classic is a great guitar, it's just not considered a re-issue, and does not command the same $$. Hope that helps

04-08-2011, 05:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
27sauce Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,396 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: Pre-Historic Question To me, the biggest difference, besides the appearance, is that the Pre Historics have solid bodies and the Classics are weight relieved. Not saying one is better than the other, just stating a difference. __________________ Marc '59 Les Paul Junior '60 Melody Maker '62 SG Special '64 LG-1 '88 RI Les Paul '94 Les Paul Standard '07 CR8 and a ton of other non Gibson.

04-08-2011, 05:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
iamjoe Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Across the River Styx Posts: 1,318 Thanks: 88 Thanked 65 Times in 34 Posts	Re: Pre-Historic Question [QUOTE=LeftyF2003;2584373]No, it's not an R0. It's a Classic. This is an old misconception and sellers will use this as their sales pitch, but a Classic (though a very nice guitar) is not a pre-historic re-issue, and was a lower end guitar compared to the re-issues. Below is a 1990 / 1960 pre-historic re-issue (same one as my avatar. The classics have a smaller headstock, typically un-covered pickups and are marked in the pickup route. Some folks have gone so far as to change the pickguard / truss rod cover and sell Classics as re-issues outright. Always call Gibson and confirm what it is by the serial # to be sure. If the price is reasonable a Classic is a great guitar, it's just not considered a re-issue, and does not command the same $$. Thanks Lefty, Here are a few pictures, it is being offered for $1700.00 __________________

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04-08-2011, 05:22 PM	#7 (permalink)
27sauce Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,396 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: Pre-Historic Question That price isnt TOO crazy, IMO. They are cool guitars. __________________ Marc '59 Les Paul Junior '60 Melody Maker '62 SG Special '64 LG-1 '88 RI Les Paul '94 Les Paul Standard '07 CR8 and a ton of other non Gibson.

04-08-2011, 05:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
LeftyF2003 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: An island in the middle of a lake somewhere Posts: 3,056 Thanks: 9 Thanked 19 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Pre-Historic Question That sounds about right, but I'd check with someone else up here that is familiar with current prices for these. I checked G-base and that looks to be in the ballpark, but could not find a 1991 gold top to compare apples to apples. From the pics it looks to be in great shape.

04-08-2011, 05:42 PM	#10 (permalink)
LeftyF2003 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: An island in the middle of a lake somewhere Posts: 3,056 Thanks: 9 Thanked 19 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Pre-Historic Question I would offer $1500.00 and see if they go for it. It's a buyers market right now, so it's no harm asking.

04-08-2011, 05:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
goodwater Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 527 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Pre-Historic Question I sold a 91 Classic a few months ago for 1900 so that price isn't bad

04-08-2011, 07:55 PM	#12 (permalink)
goodvibes Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Fandango, CA Posts: 607 Thanks: 77 Thanked 41 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Pre-Historic Question Check. With Gibson +1. It might be a limited edition because it has a gold finish on the back. I would offer a little less and tell him you need a couple days to have it checked by a good luthier.

04-08-2011, 08:45 PM	#14 (permalink)
27sauce Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,396 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: Pre-Historic Question Thats just the way the early GT Classics were, all gold. It only lasted for a year or two. __________________ Marc '59 Les Paul Junior '60 Melody Maker '62 SG Special '64 LG-1 '88 RI Les Paul '94 Les Paul Standard '07 CR8 and a ton of other non Gibson.

04-09-2011, 08:14 AM	#15 (permalink)
LeftyF2003 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: An island in the middle of a lake somewhere Posts: 3,056 Thanks: 9 Thanked 19 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Pre-Historic Question If you have the serial # call Gibson directly at 1-800-4GIBSON (1-800-444-2766) - they seem to take forever to respond to email, but they are very helpful by phone.

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