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Unread 07-09-2010, 11:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Consensus on locking tuners for a LP

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I have never had any, but they look to be pretty cool. Those who have them do they slip or are they more stable than winds?
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Unread 07-09-2010, 11:34 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Consensus on locking tuners for a LP

I have four guitars with locking tunners...

two PRS, which come with them and, my LP and MM have planet waves on them...

the planet waver are very stable and you can really dial in pitch of the string to a very fine degree...some people dislike that you can pull the strings out of them but, it takes a lot of strength and I can not imagine a situation where that would happen unless you are purposely trying to pull them out...

the PRS ones are not as fine but work very well....

one day I plan on having planet waves on all my guitars but, it is on my very long to do list...it really is about ease and string changes become significantly quicker and much less a hassle...

overall my experince would suggest they are as good as or better then typical tunners...
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Re: Consensus on locking tuners for a LP



The thumb wheel looks cool and it doesn't have the obscenely long tuning post that is associated with other tuners. And I would have had those if they came out earlier...so I settled for your standard nickel Grovers
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Re: Consensus on locking tuners for a LP

I put locking Grovers on my '77. They work perfectly and do not slip. Changing strings is a breeze. My PRS came with locking tuners stock.

My only question is why LPs don't come with locking tuners as stock?
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Re: Consensus on locking tuners for a LP

I have Sperzels on a couple of mine. It works great and makes string changing so much easier. I also have tonepros on a SG to keep the vintage look :
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I have never had any, but they look to be pretty cool. Those who have them do they slip or are they more stable than winds?
They're exactly the same. I've got Sperzel lockers on some LP type guitar headstocks, standard Gotohs and the like on others. There's no difference in terms of tuning stability whatsoever. The Sperzels are a bit quicker to swap a string on. That's it.
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Re: Consensus on locking tuners for a LP

I just need some in gold with this right angle screw hole




Or matches the original gotoh holes
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Re: Consensus on locking tuners for a LP

How far are your guys' guitars slipping out of tune? I don't have the best ears or the best digital tuner, but none of my cheapo guitars slip out of tune as far as I can tell. Not only that, but tuning is always a compromise so you can't really say it's ever really "in tune", can you? I dunno, I'm just trying to wrap my head around the situation, not trying to be a smart ass.
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How far are your guys' guitars slipping out of tune? I don't have the best ears or the best digital tuner, but none of my cheapo guitars slip out of tune as far as I can tell. Not only that, but tuning is always a compromise so you can't really say it's ever really "in tune", can you? I dunno, I'm just trying to wrap my head around the situation, not trying to be a smart ass.
Im modifying an lp and saw these as an option, so when I asked if they slipped out of tune etc, I was asking how good are lockers compared to wrapping your strings.
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Re: Consensus on locking tuners for a LP

I've never had a guitar that slipped out of tune regularly. I have seen a bunch of guitars with the strings so poorly wrapped that it was amazing they ever stayed in tune. Locking tuners are no more "stable" that regular tuners they just make it really easy to change strings.
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I've never had a guitar that slipped out of tune regularly. I have seen a bunch of guitars with the strings so poorly wrapped that it was amazing they ever stayed in tune. Locking tuners are no more "stable" that regular tuners they just make it really easy to change strings.

Thats what i wanted to know if they were more less the same whatever, I change my strings a lot and when Im playing out I change then right before sound check of every gig
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Ah, gotcha now. It's a mystery to me! I would think they'd be helpful if you had one of these and were going for absolute tuning perfection:

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Ah, gotcha now. It's a mystery to me! I would think they'd be helpful if you had one of these and were going for absolute tuning perfection:

http://www.truetemperament.com/site/...t_whol_lay.jpg
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I just need some in gold with this right angle screw hole

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Or matches the original gotoh holes
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Re: Consensus on locking tuners for a LP

The original tuners that come on an 80s les paul, the vintage looking ones, will the screw hole on a grover fit?

All Im really up to is trying to replace the chrome with gold, and the joker before me installed schallers and drilled a 3rd hole in the headstock. Im also quite tight about spending 110 for a set of gold tuners, it makes me want to vomit a bit.
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I cant tell is that screw hole the same as the schaller? I see a good price on these at wd
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I cant tell is that screw hole the same as the schaller? I see a good price on these at wd
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I just hope it helps! Cheers mate
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Re: Consensus on locking tuners for a LP

Looks as though I will have to stick with the regular schallers because the screw holes. Oh well stew mac has a great price on them, thanks again everyone.
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Re: Consensus on locking tuners for a LP

I have a lowly Epiphone Special... nonetheless, I've suped it up and like her pretty well. I'm thinking about replacing the tuning machines. Are there any good tuners out there that will improve stability of tuning AND that won't require me to enlarge the holes?
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Re: Consensus on locking tuners for a LP

I have sperzels on my Parker and I love them. Very easy to work with. I didn't really like the locking tuners on my Deluxe strat. I have never put locking tuners on my lps because I just didn't have that many tuning problems.
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Completely unnecessary IMO...
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Re: Consensus on locking tuners for a LP

I don't think they really help tuning stability that much, but they are very convenient. I have sperzels on my Pacifica, and I'm going to put rotomatics on my '83 LP. String changes are much faster with locking tuners and there's no real disadvantage.

Just like the move from slotted headstocks to the typical kind made string changes quicker, locking tuners push it even further - and with no real cosmetic change.
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Re: Consensus on locking tuners for a LP

Sure it's unnecessary, but why not...I hate changing strings!!
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Re: Consensus on locking tuners for a LP

It doesn't take me any more time to string with conventional tuners... You shouldn't need more than two or three winds anyway.
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Re: Consensus on locking tuners for a LP

I have them on my Trad Pro. I wouldn't change out my other guitars for them unless there was a problem, but they do make string changes a bit quicker. I've never really had tuning issues on any of my Gibsons.
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Re: Consensus on locking tuners for a LP

Grover locking tuners on my '08 LP Standard - superb. Holds the strings perfectly. No wrap-around the string posts so no slack to be taken up. 100% superior to standard tuners. Don't listen to the Luddites...



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Re: Consensus on locking tuners for a LP

I love the Grover locking tuners on my Trad Pro. But that being said, I never had a problem with non-locking tuners either. Honestly can't really see a difference in tuning the guitar or the guitar staying in tune. BUT... I love how quick and easy it is to change strings on the Trad Pro.
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Re: Consensus on locking tuners for a LP

My thoughts are they are useless, it's a fixed bridge guitar........ quit being lazy and if a lot of players would learn to string it properly and there are no tuning issues (non nut related) or slipping.

the "ease of restringing" excuse smacks of the general laziness that technology has started to introduce into our society. Do it the right way instead of looking for the easy way.

But those are my thought's- I also loathe the robot guitars and pcb's in guitars as well.
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