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Unread 04-22-2010, 08:03 AM   #1 (permalink)
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ABR-1 vs. Nashville

I cannot see the benefit of a Nashville style bridge. I know nothing about manufacturing costs and what not but it seems like it would be more expensive to produce due to more material being used (unless the were different materials which I am sure someone will chime in). Also I am sure the added material in the body can have no positive effect on sound either. What say ye MLP?
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Unread 04-22-2010, 08:08 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: ABR-1 vs. Nashville

The Nashville has a little more travel in the saddles for intonation, is a little wider, and the posts are larger diameter- all supposedly help with stability of the bridge.

The ABR1 is cheaper to produce so I don't know why an "improvement was necessary", but then again it was the 70's. The "Dark Ages" which also gave us neck volutes, pancake bodies, and 13 lb Les Pauls with finishes so thick it makes an Epis poly look vintage nitro thin.

I don't like the Nashville, it's the only factory flaw on my otherwise perfect 08 Standard, I almost didn't buy it because of that.
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Re: ABR-1 vs. Nashville

No benefit as far as I'm concerned. Not to mention Nashvilles are fugly.
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Re: ABR-1 vs. Nashville

Nashville vs. ABR-1 bridge is not something I notice or care about when I look at or play a guitar.
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Re: ABR-1 vs. Nashville

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Nashville vs. ABR-1 bridge is not something I notice or care about when I look at or play a guitar.
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Re: ABR-1 vs. Nashville

Thanks for the explanation. This seems very logical. I am sure many thins factor in but if the ABR-1s are cheaper to make and potentially sound better,
why do they not just switch it over to all ABRs? I mean they ditched the volutes and pancake bodies right?


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The Nashville has a little more travel in the saddles for intonation, is a little wider, and the posts are larger diameter- all supposedly help with stability of the bridge.

The ABR1 is cheaper to produce so I don't know why an "improvement was necessary", but then again it was the 70's. The "Dark Ages" which also gave us neck volutes, pancake bodies, and 13 lb Les Pauls with finishes so thick it makes an Epis poly look vintage nitro thin.

I don't like the Nashville, it's the only factory flaw on my otherwise perfect 08 Standard, I almost didn't buy it because of that.
I have only started to notice the difference since owning Custom Shop guitars. I really much prefer the ABR-1 now that I have had both. Just a preference though.

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Re: ABR-1 vs. Nashville

Having the Nashville bridge on a Les Paul is like seeing the most beautiful woman in the world, but then she smiles and you realize she only has 3 rotten teeth

I think they had it all right by 1960.
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Re: ABR-1 vs. Nashville

Maybe one advantage to the Nashville is the posts are less likely to lean forward? Junkie, why don't you just buy an ABR-1 replacement bridge?
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Re: ABR-1 vs. Nashville

Out of curiosity, what do you need in order to convert from a Nashville to an ABR-1? They don't just drop in do they?
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Re: ABR-1 vs. Nashville

Not usually... This is your best bet..

Faber ABR-59 (For Nashville/4MM posts)
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Re: ABR-1 vs. Nashville

I agree that the Nashvilles are just butt-ugly.
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Re: ABR-1 vs. Nashville

I couldn't care either way, played both and they both sound the same.
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Re: ABR-1 vs. Nashville

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The "Dark Ages" which also gave us neck volutes, pancake bodies, and 13 lb Les Pauls with finishes so thick it makes an Epis poly look vintage nitro thin.
I just can't grasp this. Give me one negative about volutes, other than you think they're ugly because they don't match your perception of the master race of vintage bursts. They added headstock stability, and the entire idea was to minimize breaks at the weakest point on the neck. It also added weight to the headstock, which in theory, should provide for better sustain. I think they should have kept them.

Pancake bodies? They have a great sound! By your standard, you must think all VMs, The Pauls, Artisans, and Raw Powers suck because they don't have that perfect ratio of mahogany back and maple top.

13lb LPs... Yeah. I'll give you that one. Can't argue against it. But I, for one, don't mind a little extra weight, and I know there are others out there who agree.

But the finish, THE FINISH. Have you seen the current finish they use? I'm pretty sure they use at least a little poly on Gibsons now. At least, that shit peels like poly when you strip the finish. You're talking about thick finishes when you should be complaining about clown bursts.
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Re: ABR-1 vs. Nashville

junkie rags on Norlins every chance he gets. Ignore it.
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I just can't grasp this. Give me one negative about volutes
Bursts didn't have volute...so, there!
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Re: ABR-1 vs. Nashville

SludgeBurns, the ABRN Boles posted a link to is what I have on my Traditional. It fit right on the stock Nashville posts but I had to fight with it.
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Re: ABR-1 vs. Nashville

On my 1973 SG the volute never bothered me. Did I know it was there? Sure, but other than being able to see it I never notice3d it unless I was playing on the first fret or so. Didn't bother me and I doubt they would bother most since most of my playing stayed well above the first fret.
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Re: ABR-1 vs. Nashville

I had a nashville on my standard. Changed to an ABR style Gotoh. No loose saddles or bits of wire, but slimmer than nashville. A kind of 'modern' Abr if you like. Suits me, you might like it also...
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Re: ABR-1 vs. Nashville

abrs are great for LPs ... other gibsons might get away with the Nashville version which is more adjustable
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Re: ABR-1 vs. Nashville

I will never own a Gibson with a Nashville bridge. Looks gawdawful and I don't like the idea of bushings to go with it. Reminds too much of a cheap import guitar feature. It's enough with the one set of bushings needed for the tailpiece. I would also assume that since a Nashville bridge is "hollow", it's prone to caving under string pressure with time, so that its radius goes off or it breaks. Talking decades here though.
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Re: ABR-1 vs. Nashville

The only thing I don`t like about the ABRs, is changing the saddles out. Those teeny lock washers = arrrggghhhhh! Nashvilles`r alot easier for me.

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Maybe one advantage to the Nashville is the posts are less likely to lean forward? Junkie, why don't you just buy an ABR-1 replacement bridge?
Next on my to do list,I am enjoying the guitar a lot more now.
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I just can't grasp this. Give me one negative about volutes, other than you think they're ugly because they don't match your perception of the master race of vintage bursts. They added headstock stability, and the entire idea was to minimize breaks at the weakest point on the neck. It also added weight to the headstock, which in theory, should provide for better sustain. I think they should have kept them.

Pancake bodies? They have a great sound! By your standard, you must think all VMs, The Pauls, Artisans, and Raw Powers suck because they don't have that perfect ratio of mahogany back and maple top.

13lb LPs... Yeah. I'll give you that one. Can't argue against it. But I, for one, don't mind a little extra weight, and I know there are others out there who agree.

But the finish, THE FINISH. Have you seen the current finish they use? I'm pretty sure they use at least a little poly on Gibsons now. At least, that shit peels like poly when you strip the finish. You're talking about thick finishes when you should be complaining about clown bursts.
Not all Norlins are bad, unfortunately most of the ones I've had over the years were horrendous.
They did have nice looking finishes, but if you've ever stripped one you'd be amazed at how thick it is.

The VM's and Studios to me seem like overpriced Epiphones (j/k) but you are right that they don't fit with what I want in a Les Paul at all so I wouldn't buy one.

Boles- not all Norlins, I just rag on the ones that I had, yours look like they are great guitars.
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Re: ABR-1 vs. Nashville

SHIT! Both of my gibbos have a Nashville.

Time to throw em out.
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Re: ABR-1 vs. Nashville

I switched the Nashville on my 08 Standard out to a Tone Lock Faber ABR with the BSWKIT. I like the ABR better because it is ultra solid mechanically and the tone I believe is better. Now that I have witnessed the difference, it seems like those nashville bushings suck. First of all they're not even in there good and second of all the posts that go into the bushings are wobbly. This makes me think that you might get "good vibrations" if "all the stars align" with reference to the strings putting pressure on the bridge. My new ABR seems to transfer all the vibes into the body in the most direct possible way. Nashville is okay at best but IMO the ABR is a superior design.
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Nashville vs. ABR-1 bridge is not something I notice or care about when I look at or play a guitar.
I like the way you think.

Before I joined here, a bridge was a thing that held the strings up off the body. Now I know about reversing saddles, retaining wires, locking studs, and all kinds of neat shit. Yet a bridge remains a thing that holds the strings up off the body.

I test-played my new Ibanez first, went "whoa", then took a look at the bridge to see if it was adjustable. I didn't even notice the retaining wire until after I brought it home and had played it for about eight hours. That's when the wire started rattling.
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Re: ABR-1 vs. Nashville

Nothing wrong with a Nashville. It doesn't make the guitar sound any better or worse.
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I cannot see the benefit of a Nashville style bridge.

You will if the posts bend, or the bridge itself bends.

thats said, I prefer ABRs as well.
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Nothing wrong with a Nashville. It doesn't make the guitar sound any better or worse.
I would think the added material (and the fact the posts are not screwed directly into the wood) would mean the vibration doesnt transer as well to the body

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You will if the posts bend, or the bridge itself bends.

thats said, I prefer ABRs as well.
Yea I havent had that happen (yet). I have also considered that stripping out the screw holes is completely possible
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I couldn't care either way, played both and they both sound the same.
i dont hear or see a difference really either! but only in one exception, that is the nylon saddles on my 71lp.
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