Hate

Tim Plains · 02-24-2010, 09:49 AM

I find it funny (and sometimes amusing) at all the hate people have for Les Pauls.

Chambering
Swiss cheese
Signature guitars
Murphy aging
"snot green" inlays
Price
Norlins
the list can go on and on...

I'm guilty of this, too, as I hated swiss cheese holes for a while but I'm good now.

Anybody else see the irony here? We all love Gibson Les Pauls but it seems we all also hate Gibson Les Pauls.

***b-squared*** · 02-24-2010, 09:55 AM

I don't hate any of them.

It's a beautiful design, and they are all a joy to play.

BB

Scooter2112 · 02-24-2010, 09:58 AM

I'll gladly accept any LP's that are hated.

Consider it a public service.

dynabite · 02-24-2010, 09:59 AM

I like em or I don't, and won't know this until they're played.

renin71 · 02-24-2010, 10:00 AM

it is amusing. I have just always read bad things on norlins, and I guess believed it, until I tried out a 78 silverburst les paul custom and think it is a great guitar. Opened my eyes...

Lungo · 02-24-2010, 10:02 AM

I think it's easy to equate hate with passion. People are often critical of things when they perceive changes as ruining their ideal features in a product.

jomo · 02-24-2010, 10:03 AM

I'm loading my Gibsons up and heading to Goodwill.

dennistruckdriver · 02-24-2010, 10:06 AM

I only 'strongly dislike' some Les Pauls....

chazza · 02-24-2010, 10:07 AM

Hate is a strong word.

I prefer swiss cheese holes to chambering based on my experience of playing both, but I wouldn't say that I hate chambered guitars.

Maybe we just get carried away with hyperbole because that is the nature of online forums.

dennistruckdriver · 02-24-2010, 10:08 AM

I've noticed that a lot of members here get 'pissed off' at trivial stuff, too.

monty john · 02-24-2010, 10:09 AM

Guess its because of Sales and Marketing issues. Every year they change shit up, new models, new finish, new wieght relieving, NEW PRICES YUK.....Reminds me of the Auto Industry.......

So in my humble opinion if they just left it the same from 59 on, Sales would drag.......so they keep changing shit for sales sake and not all change is for the better....

So if you want a Lester built like a 59 you have to shell out more much more cashola.....to me its BS......leave the friggin thing alone, Mr. Les Paul designed it one way, Gibson changed it another way for the sake of profits.....

Wait till they start making all standards in China the shit will really roll then..

dennistruckdriver · 02-24-2010, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monty john

....Wait till they start making all standards in China....

Gizzorge · 02-24-2010, 10:12 AM

One Word IS ALL IT TAKES-- -BUCKETHEAD!

chazza · 02-24-2010, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dennistruckdriver

I've noticed that a lot of members here get 'pissed off' at trivial stuff, too.

Same thing.
In a face to face discussion, people will be more restrained and thoughtful because if they are rude or too quick to get pissed off, an unpleasant situation can develop.
Online you can be as rude or as you like because nobody is going to get up and slap you and if it does turn nasty, you can just log out and forget about it.

River · 02-24-2010, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R9.

I find it funny (and sometimes amusing) at all the hate people have for Les Pauls. <snip>

It's certainly entertaining!

monty john · 02-24-2010, 10:21 AM

(We all love Gibson Les Pauls but it seems we all also hate Gibson Les Pauls.)

Its not the Les Pauls we hate, its Gibson and their Sales and Marketing strategies.

indeedido · 02-24-2010, 10:22 AM

Those features don't bother me, there are models for everyone. What I can say is after all of these years, why is there no model with a shaved heel?? That is what I hate. Although that is a strong word, how about I dislike the advancement in that area.

River · 02-24-2010, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by indeedido

Those features don't bother me, there are models for everyone. What I can say is after all of these years, why is there no model with a shaved heel?? That is what I hate. Although that is a strong word, how about I dislike the advancement in that area.

Axcess?

Cookie-boy · 02-24-2010, 10:25 AM

I don't think hate is the right word but people certainly dislike some aspects of Les Pauls. They don't hate or dislike Les Pauls as a whole.

indeedido · 02-24-2010, 10:25 AM

Maybe but don't those all have Floyd's? How about a custom with hard tail and all access heel

monty john · 02-24-2010, 10:28 AM

(We all love Gibson Les Pauls but it seems we all also hate Gibson Les Pauls.)

Its not the Les Pauls we hate, its Gibson and their Sales and Marketing strategies.

diceman · 02-24-2010, 10:29 AM

Gibson will never be made in China... like Epiphone.

And, I "prefer" solid backs.

alanucc · 02-24-2010, 10:30 AM

I guess the Dusk Tiger is stealing all the hate from the BFGs

Deftone · 02-24-2010, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by indeedido

Maybe but don't those all have Floyd's? How about a custom with hard tail and all access heel

No. Axcess was available in Custom or Standard hard tail or Floyd.

What you need to try is a Custom Lite. the whole body is thinner.

Iancognito · 02-24-2010, 10:37 AM

People online often don't express things very well. Something reasonable, like preferring one neck to another, comes out a bit like "I hate the new Standard necks". Then people get a bit defensive. Then someone makes a joke about them being a bit of dinosaur as they like the 50s neck, then someone is calling someone else a "tard" or something for calling them a dinosaur.

djwilbanks · 02-24-2010, 10:41 AM

I only hate the Les Pauls I don't own.

AngryHatter · 02-24-2010, 10:42 AM

I hate people that hate things.

Kinetic · 02-24-2010, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R9.

I find it funny (and sometimes amusing) at all the hate people have for Les Pauls.

Chambering
Swiss cheese
Signature guitars
Murphy aging
"snot green" inlays
Price
Norlins
the list can go on and on...

I'm guilty of this, too, as I hated swiss cheese holes for a while but I'm good now.

Anybody else see the irony here? We all love Gibson Les Pauls but it seems we all also hate Gibson Les Pauls.

Gee you think?

There is lots of LP racism to go around here.

The way I see it, many people think that if it is not a 58, 59, or 60 original, then there is something substandard about your LP.
I don't subscribe to this. In the end of the day, if it sounds great, looks great and has an LP character to it, then thats what matters.
P

The Guitarist · 02-24-2010, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monty john

(We all love Gibson Les Pauls but it seems we all also hate Gibson Les Pauls.)

Its not the Les Pauls we hate, its Gibson and their Sales and Marketing strategies.

I have to agree with that. Gibson spark the trivial matters that divide the LP community, not the guitar. The guitar and the man that made the guitar are legends.

jomo · 02-24-2010, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diceman

Gibson will never be made in China... like Epiphone.

And, I "prefer" solid backs.

I agree. I think this is one of the few markets that would bail if that happened. It wouldn't be like Epiphone was, it would be "hey, who was that boutique builder?"

02-24-2010, 09:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
Tim Plains Bartlett Retrospec Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 9,383 Thanks: 638 Thanked 676 Times in 76 Posts	Hate I find it funny (and sometimes amusing) at all the hate people have for Les Pauls. Chambering Swiss cheese Signature guitars Murphy aging "snot green" inlays Price Norlins the list can go on and on... I'm guilty of this, too, as I hated swiss cheese holes for a while but I'm good now. Anybody else see the irony here? We all love Gibson Les Pauls but it seems we all also hate Gibson Les Pauls. __________________ Tim. Future Bartlett Retrospec winner!!

02-24-2010, 09:55 AM	#2 (permalink)
*b-squared* MLP Pacific NW! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Northwest WA Posts: 20,718 Thanks: 632 Thanked 713 Times in 104 Posts	Re: Hate I don't hate any of them. It's a beautiful design, and they are all a joy to play. BB gtrslngnhairbag, tralf, marc1kim and 3 others like this. __________________ Life's too short to deal with bad tone!

02-24-2010, 09:58 AM	#3 (permalink)
Scooter2112 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 12,017 Thanks: 132 Thanked 29 Times in 15 Posts	Re: Hate I'll gladly accept any LP's that are hated. Consider it a public service. Square likes this. __________________ Absofrigginlutely! ______________________________________________

02-24-2010, 10:00 AM	#5 (permalink)
renin71 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: scottsdale arizona Posts: 242 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Hate it is amusing. I have just always read bad things on norlins, and I guess believed it, until I tried out a 78 silverburst les paul custom and think it is a great guitar. Opened my eyes... MadIrishman likes this.

02-24-2010, 10:02 AM	#6 (permalink)
Lungo Bartlett Retrospec Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Anchorage Alaska Posts: 3,669 Thanks: 58 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Hate I think it's easy to equate hate with passion. People are often critical of things when they perceive changes as ruining their ideal features in a product. marvar likes this.

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02-24-2010, 10:03 AM	#7 (permalink)
jomo MLP Ninja Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nashville Posts: 10,919 Thanks: 277 Thanked 339 Times in 83 Posts	Re: Hate I'm loading my Gibsons up and heading to Goodwill. __________________

02-24-2010, 10:06 AM	#8 (permalink)
dennistruckdriver V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 25,436 Thanks: 365 Thanked 816 Times in 168 Posts	Re: Hate I only 'strongly dislike' some Les Pauls.... __________________

02-24-2010, 10:07 AM	#9 (permalink)
chazza Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK Posts: 1,287 Thanks: 4 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Hate Hate is a strong word. I prefer swiss cheese holes to chambering based on my experience of playing both, but I wouldn't say that I hate chambered guitars. Maybe we just get carried away with hyperbole because that is the nature of online forums.

02-24-2010, 10:08 AM	#10 (permalink)
dennistruckdriver V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 25,436 Thanks: 365 Thanked 816 Times in 168 Posts	Re: Hate I've noticed that a lot of members here get 'pissed off' at trivial stuff, too. __________________

02-24-2010, 10:09 AM	#11 (permalink)
monty john Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: medford oregon Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Hate Guess its because of Sales and Marketing issues. Every year they change shit up, new models, new finish, new wieght relieving, NEW PRICES YUK.....Reminds me of the Auto Industry....... So in my humble opinion if they just left it the same from 59 on, Sales would drag.......so they keep changing shit for sales sake and not all change is for the better.... So if you want a Lester built like a 59 you have to shell out more much more cashola.....to me its BS......leave the friggin thing alone, Mr. Les Paul designed it one way, Gibson changed it another way for the sake of profits..... Wait till they start making all standards in China the shit will really roll then..

02-24-2010, 10:12 AM	#13 (permalink)
Gizzorge Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 244 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Hate One Word IS ALL IT TAKES-- -BUCKETHEAD! __________________ Guitars: Various Guitars made of various woods and metals.

02-24-2010, 10:21 AM	#16 (permalink)
monty john Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: medford oregon Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Hate (We all love Gibson Les Pauls but it seems we all also hate Gibson Les Pauls.) Its not the Les Pauls we hate, its Gibson and their Sales and Marketing strategies. SingeMonkey and EasyAce like this.

02-24-2010, 10:22 AM	#17 (permalink)
indeedido Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 321 Thanks: 10 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Hate Those features don't bother me, there are models for everyone. What I can say is after all of these years, why is there no model with a shaved heel?? That is what I hate. Although that is a strong word, how about I dislike the advancement in that area.

02-24-2010, 10:25 AM	#19 (permalink)
Cookie-boy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Under the care, custody and control of Matron. Posts: 15,236 Thanks: 554 Thanked 1,617 Times in 317 Posts	Re: Hate I don't think hate is the right word but people certainly dislike some aspects of Les Pauls. They don't hate or dislike Les Pauls as a whole.

02-24-2010, 10:25 AM	#20 (permalink)
indeedido Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 321 Thanks: 10 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Hate Maybe but don't those all have Floyd's? How about a custom with hard tail and all access heel

02-24-2010, 10:28 AM	#21 (permalink)
monty john Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: medford oregon Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Hate (We all love Gibson Les Pauls but it seems we all also hate Gibson Les Pauls.) Its not the Les Pauls we hate, its Gibson and their Sales and Marketing strategies.

02-24-2010, 10:29 AM	#22 (permalink)
diceman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Montana Posts: 29,930 Thanks: 1,212 Thanked 419 Times in 83 Posts	Re: Hate Gibson will never be made in China... like Epiphone. And, I "prefer" solid backs.

02-24-2010, 10:30 AM	#23 (permalink)
alanucc Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Mexico City Posts: 110 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Hate I guess the Dusk Tiger is stealing all the hate from the BFGs

02-24-2010, 10:37 AM	#25 (permalink)
Iancognito Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: England Posts: 465 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Hate People online often don't express things very well. Something reasonable, like preferring one neck to another, comes out a bit like "I hate the new Standard necks". Then people get a bit defensive. Then someone makes a joke about them being a bit of dinosaur as they like the 50s neck, then someone is calling someone else a "tard" or something for calling them a dinosaur.

02-24-2010, 10:41 AM	#26 (permalink)
djwilbanks V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Arkham Asylum Posts: 27,885 Thanks: 220 Thanked 443 Times in 82 Posts	Re: Hate I only hate the Les Pauls I don't own. InsertUsernameHere likes this. __________________ This post happily existed in all possible states until you observed it. Now it has collapsed into a single state. I hope you're happy. Click Deadpool for my Soundcloud page.

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AngryHatter Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 13,342 Thanks: 40 Thanked 107 Times in 44 Posts	Re: Hate I hate people that hate things. marvar likes this.

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