is this a fake?

slashVOS#032 · 11-02-2009, 06:56 AM

Hi,

i found this ad, and though i'm not interested, i suspect it to be a fake for several reasons, and, if so, would like to report it :

Gibson Les Paul Tobacco 1976 + Malette d'origine Instruments de musique Loire - leboncoin.fr

Reasons :
- serial number indicates

Your guitar was made at the
Nashville Plant, TN, USA
January 23rd, 2007
Production Number: 113

and the ad says ist's a 1976

- bridge position : seems low to me <-- Edit : I meant tailpiece
- toggle switch position : seems too near from the edge
- cutaway shape seems "different"

tell me guys what do you think.

Ghislain

83135 · 11-02-2009, 07:09 AM

1,000,000% trash.

xguitardevilx · 11-02-2009, 07:10 AM

This is kind of a tough one as it looks like it could have been a custom order or a Standard neck put on a fake body..it's hard to tell especially with no front of the headstock pics. The body features are of a custom but the headstock indicates that it's a Standard. To top it all off the seller has posted bad fishy looking pics. I'd stay away.

xguitardevilx · 11-02-2009, 07:13 AM

BTW..what's up with all the fake threads lately!?

83135 · 11-02-2009, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xguitardevilx

This is kind of a tough one

Seriously?

ryanmichael95 · 11-02-2009, 07:28 AM

Fake.

dennistruckdriver · 11-02-2009, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slashVOS#032

Hi, i found this ad, and though i'm not interested, i suspect it to be a fake....

Quote:

Originally Posted by xguitardevilx

BTW..what's up with all the fake threads lately!?

Especially the ones where the OP isn't 'interested'?

80's Rocker · 11-02-2009, 07:46 AM

I think I am starting to get better at detecting fakes...theres alot of them...and not getting any better lol

Bubbletonic · 11-02-2009, 07:57 AM

whys the stop bar so low? o.O

-=[Shifty]=- · 11-02-2009, 08:03 AM

Well, FWIW, it's not one of the Chinese fakes.

Serial# is correct for a '76 Les Paul.
It also appears to have a nitro finish (poly on Chinese fakes).
The Custom body with a Standard neck and the bridge/TP placement are looking weird, though.

Dunno, maybe our Norlin experts know more.

83135 · 11-02-2009, 08:16 AM

Upon closer inspection, I must apologize to xguitardevilx for my comment.

This is a strange guitar.

Bubbletonic · 11-02-2009, 08:20 AM

I got a google translate of the text:
I am separated from my Les Paul 1976 series is a highly sought after with a finish near the custom.Double Beinding which includes the end of the handle on the back, finishing very characteristic of this model. Le son est très chaud idéal pour le blues, mais aussi très efficace pour le rock. The sound is very warm ideal for the blues, but also very effective in the rock. Elle est en excellent état malgré ses 33 Ans les frettes on été refaite il ya 5 ans. It is in excellent condition despite its 33 years, the frets have been remade 5 years ago. Vendu avec malette d'origine en parfait état. Sold with malette home in perfect condition. Sa côte officielle est de 3000 €. Its official symbol is 3000 €. Je ne fais aucuns échange. I do some trading.

Though the copy and paste shows the translation and then the original...but you get the idea.

bryvincent · 11-02-2009, 10:47 AM

the switch position is way off too.

ehamady6 · 11-02-2009, 10:53 AM

The distance between the tailpiece and bridge is ridiculous.

rafazu41 · 11-02-2009, 11:53 AM

the stopbar is to low

JimmyAce2006 · 11-02-2009, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slashVOS#032

Hi,

i found this ad, and though i'm not interested, i suspect it to be a fake for several reasons, and, if so, would like to report it :

Gibson Les Paul Tobacco 1976 + Malette d'origine Instruments de musique Loire - leboncoin.fr

Reasons :
- serial number indicates

Your guitar was made at the
Nashville Plant, TN, USA
January 23rd, 2007
Production Number: 113

and the ad says ist's a 1976

- bridge position : seems low to me
- toggle switch position : seems too near from the edge
- cutaway shape seems "different"

tell me guys what do you think.

Ghislain

Yet another example of the Guitar Dater's weakness. The stamp on the back is made to look like a 1976 model. However, without a clear shot of the logo, one must assume the logo is wrong. This thing is definitely fake. All of the other things that are wrong about it are noted above in previous posts.

Boleskinehouse · 11-02-2009, 12:13 PM

The serial is correct for a '76, but... It should be an oval decal. I can tell you that it is not a Chinese fake.. It might be fake, but not a fake as we know them today.

The only things that bother me are the tailpiece location and multi-ply binding with what appears to be a Standard neck.. There are not enough pictures to tell anything else about it.

Boleskinehouse · 11-02-2009, 12:19 PM

Whatever it is, I'd stay away from it.

The Guitarist · 11-02-2009, 12:23 PM

That body shape it's self looks way off. Too thin at the curves, you can never beat the curves of the original.

slashVOS#032 · 11-02-2009, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dennistruckdriver

Especially the ones where the OP isn't 'interested'?

The answer is in the OP :

I would report it if it's a fake, so that someone else doesn't get screwed, especially for 2400 euros!

And what do you have against asking about fakes? Should I've bought prior to asking or what

?

cheerz

Boleskinehouse · 11-02-2009, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Guitarist

That body shape it's self looks way off. Too thin at the curves, you can never beat the curves of the original.

Nah.. I've got a Norlin with a very similar body...

That ain't fake.

The shape of the OP guitar's body is consistent with things I've seen from Norlin.

The Guitarist · 11-02-2009, 12:39 PM

Yea i see that now, guess it's that tailpiece nearly falling off the bottom that's making it look so bad.

Boleskinehouse · 11-02-2009, 12:44 PM

Yep, the tailpiece is the biggest oddity.. It could be a very bad second, some weird employee guitar, or a special order. The serial number pic has enough glare that one should be able to see an outline of the oval decal in use from '75 to '77.. It could even be a shitty restoration of a legitimate Norlin.

Whatever it is, it is NOT a Chinese fake. I'd stay away from it anyway. There are just not enough pictures.

The Guitarist · 11-02-2009, 12:48 PM

I don't think i could trust my self to buy a gibby from ebay and the like, it would have to be a reputable dealer, I can buy an epi, but for a gibby you'd have to be 110% sure.

-=[Shifty]=- · 11-02-2009, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boleskinehouse

Yep, the tailpiece is the biggest oddity.. It could be a very bad second, some weird employee guitar, or a special order. The serial number pic has enough glare that one should be able to see an outline of the oval decal in use from '75 to '77.. It could even be a shitty restoration of a legitimate Norlin.

Whatever it is, it is NOT a Chinese fake. I'd stay away from it anyway. There are just not enough pictures.

I don't see a decal outline, either. You can see the seam of the 3 piece neck, though.

The guitar also appears to have a 3 piece top.

Is it possible that it originally had a TP similar to this and that the stoptail has been installed afterwards?

Just making a wild guess here because the guitar is definitely not a Chinese fake.

Boleskinehouse · 11-02-2009, 01:02 PM

I guess anything is possible..

5F6-A · 11-02-2009, 05:30 PM

weird stuff.....

fallenangel · 11-02-2009, 05:37 PM

determine that they match those of authentic Gibson guitars.
Check to see that all pearl is inlaid.
Check that Les Paul model script is always in cursive.
Verify that there's not a three-screw truss rod cover.
Check the control and pickup cavities for sloppy routing or wiring.
Make sure the pickup cavity is not painted black inside.
Always ask for the Gibson Owner's Manual and Gibson Warranty Inspection card.
Check the wiring. If it's plastic it isn't a true Gibson.
When all else fails, contact Gibson Customer Service at
1-800-4GIBSON.

Boleskinehouse · 11-02-2009, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fallenangel

determine that they match those of authentic Gibson guitars.
Check to see that all pearl is inlaid.
Check that Les Paul model script is always in cursive.
Verify that there's not a three-screw truss rod cover.
Check the control and pickup cavities for sloppy routing or wiring.
Make sure the pickup cavity is not painted black inside.
Always ask for the Gibson Owner's Manual and Gibson Warranty Inspection card.
Check the wiring. If it's plastic it isn't a true Gibson.
When all else fails, contact Gibson Customer Service at
1-800-4GIBSON.

We aren't dealing with anything current here. I can't figure out what it is because I don't have enough info., but I guarantee you that is not a fake as we know them today. In fact, I'm leaning towards it being a legitimate Norlin of some type. As weird as it is.

fallenangel · 11-02-2009, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boleskinehouse

We aren't dealing with anything current here. I can't figure out what it is because I don't have enough info., but I guarantee you that is not a fake as we know them today. In fact, I'm leaning towards it being a legitimate Norlin of some type. As weird as it is.

hm... it could be, if you have a blue book almanac, u could maybe find some more stuff on it, what i would recommend is try to find somebody local who owns a legit Norlin paperwork and all and compare it to his

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Bubbletonic Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 222 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: is this a fake? I got a google translate of the text: I am separated from my Les Paul 1976 series is a highly sought after with a finish near the custom.Double Beinding which includes the end of the handle on the back, finishing very characteristic of this model. Le son est très chaud idéal pour le blues, mais aussi très efficace pour le rock. The sound is very warm ideal for the blues, but also very effective in the rock. Elle est en excellent état malgré ses 33 Ans les frettes on été refaite il ya 5 ans. It is in excellent condition despite its 33 years, the frets have been remade 5 years ago. Vendu avec malette d'origine en parfait état. Sold with malette home in perfect condition. Sa côte officielle est de 3000 €. Its official symbol is 3000 €. Je ne fais aucuns échange. I do some trading. Though the copy and paste shows the translation and then the original...but you get the idea. __________________ 09 Gibson Traditional 07 Gibson BFG 05 Epiphone Standard 03 Epiphone ZW Blackheart BH100 'Hothead' Line 6 HD75

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