is this a fake? - Page 2

rockstar232007 · 11-02-2009, 06:33 PM

A clear shot of the front of the HS would be the final nail in the coffin, but I would say it is a copy of some sort. Here's why:

Take a good look at the serial stamp on this "Artisan"

Now look a the one on the "LP" from the OP

Boleskinehouse · 11-02-2009, 06:55 PM

Yeah, I already pointed that out.

xguitardevilx · 11-02-2009, 08:51 PM

Maybe it's a real neck that somone put on a non Gibson crafted body?

LPinmydreams · 11-03-2009, 12:25 AM

Not worth the risk though

ces · 11-03-2009, 03:49 AM

this is a lot of discussion to "maybe" warn potential buyers...

so OP, did you warn them it may be fake or not?

duane v · 11-03-2009, 08:26 AM

.......... It looks legit.....

The only theory I can think of, is that maybe this guitar was a custom order for a non-compensated bridge, and somewhere in the guitars life it was switched to a compensated bridge style, (which would explain the current bridge angle). And a tech installing the stop tail a bit far back....

The neck is a 3 piece and so is the top layer of the body, which is consistent with 76 to 81 Les Pauls. The headstock shape looks very Norlin like from the mid to late 70's.

Sure would like to see if the headstock has a volute... But nevertheless I'm 99.9% sure it's legit.

xguitardevilx · 11-03-2009, 10:46 AM

The only problem with your theory duane is that after 1975 Gibson stopped doing custom order Standards and when they did do custom order Standards in the early 70's you had only 2 finish options and this was not one of them.

duane v · 11-03-2009, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xguitardevilx

The only problem with your theory duane is that after 1975 Gibson stopped doing custom order Standards and when they did do custom order Standards in the early 70's you had only 2 finish options and this was not one of them.

Actually Gibson was accepting custom orders and one-offs with no minimums on a regular basis until the Kalamazoo plant was closed down.

Boleskinehouse · 11-03-2009, 11:29 AM

Yeah, If you have the money, they have always done custom orders.

xguitardevilx · 11-03-2009, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duane v

Actually Gibson was accepting custom orders and one-offs with no minimums on a regular basis until the Kalamazoo plant was closed down.

Really? To my understanding they stopped in '75 and started making production LP's again in '76.

Boleskinehouse · 11-03-2009, 11:33 AM

Yes, but they would still do custom orders. Always have. And there are '74 and '75 Standards..

xguitardevilx · 11-03-2009, 11:34 AM

Gotchya, I'm learning a bit more new things today.

duane v · 11-03-2009, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boleskinehouse

Yeah, If you have the money, they have always done custom orders.

From what I've heard, now you must have a 25 unit minimum

..... Can anyone confirm this?

Boleskinehouse · 11-03-2009, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duane v

From what I've heard, now you must have a 25 unit minimum

..... Can anyone confirm this?

Not exactly true... The are certain "Super Dealers" that will get just about anything you want. I'm pretty sure that's only limited to finishes and hardware choice though.

rockstar232007 · 11-03-2009, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boleskinehouse

Yeah, I already pointed that out.

Oh! Sorry!

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duane v Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 267 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: is this a fake? .......... It looks legit..... The only theory I can think of, is that maybe this guitar was a custom order for a non-compensated bridge, and somewhere in the guitars life it was switched to a compensated bridge style, (which would explain the current bridge angle). And a tech installing the stop tail a bit far back.... The neck is a 3 piece and so is the top layer of the body, which is consistent with 76 to 81 Les Pauls. The headstock shape looks very Norlin like from the mid to late 70's. Sure would like to see if the headstock has a volute... But nevertheless I'm 99.9% sure it's legit.

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