'08 Standards That Aren't?

Murphy Slaw · 10-27-2009, 06:59 PM

Do ya think the numbers are low enough to make them collectable someday?

You know, before the locking stuff, neck/pot changes?

Probably not, but ya never know how these things work, until it's too late, eh?

Murph.

r9in09 · 10-27-2009, 07:02 PM

wut? not another "here's what I don't agree with about the new standards" thread? good lawd

oh, I see what you're asking... and no I don't think so

Murphy Slaw · 10-27-2009, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by r9in09

wut? not another "here's what I don't agree with about the new standards" thread? good lawd

oh, I see what you're asking... and no I don't think so

The point of the thread, was the possible "future" value of a low number of Les Pauls with an '08 serial #, that don't fit the marketing image.

Just wondered......

No offense......

AXE · 10-27-2009, 08:01 PM

Prolly not Murph. Too many produced.

And nothing particularly special about any of them.

guitarfish · 10-27-2009, 08:13 PM

I have a pre-2008 08 Standard. I'll tell ya what, I wish I knew what to call it. We need a better name for these. But no, I don't think the fact that they introduced a new model mid-year will make it more valuable.

rockstar232007 · 10-27-2009, 09:04 PM

Modern/new LPs (even the one-offs from the CS) will NEVER reach the type of $$$$ that vintage (35+ year old) LPs are at, right now. And that's just sad.

The MAIN reasons older ('54-'60) LPs became so valuable were:

- Better construction/better materials/WAY better sound
- They were made in VERY limited numbers, because the builders actually took their time in making them (mostly by hand)
- When they were discontinued in '61 (and replaced by the SG), people feared that there would NEVER be another LP made, so they basically went on wild goose chases to find/purchase ALL of the pre-'60s LPs, which is one reason they are so rare.

The bottom line is: The way LPs (or any guitars) are produced today (in mass-quantities, and mainly by machines) they will NEVER be rare, unless ALL the rest of them somehow disappear (which is HIGHLY doubtful).

guitarfish · 10-27-2009, 09:07 PM

Someday when everything new is "smart wood", the current models will be valued more. Not sure what that translates into in terms of dollars and sense, but someday our instruments maybe viewed as premium.

axepilot · 10-27-2009, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murphy Slaw

Do ya think the numbers are low enough to make them collectable someday?

You know, before the locking stuff, neck/pot changes?

Probably not, but ya never know how these things work, until it's too late, eh?

Murph.

There will not be any collectible Standards any time soon. To be collectable entails being limited run. Gibson is turning these guitars out like sausages................

There is nothing collectable about just about any modern Gibson.

Tim Plains · 10-27-2009, 10:03 PM

^ He's talking about the 2007 Standard.
Chambered body, short neck tenon, no new appointments as found on the "new" '08 Standard. Gibson made them for around a year & a half.
Murph, I thought the same thing a while back but I doubt it. Chambering didn't exactly get a warm welcome.

Atomic · 10-27-2009, 10:09 PM

yeah they are designated "02." they are late model guitars made without the "upgrades." the most significant difference is the short tenon and the standard symmetrical neck profile. they are made by request.

leeplaysblues · 10-28-2009, 05:20 AM

One of the reasons guitar prices went crazy (think Les Paul, old Fenders, Martins) was that a lot of baby boomers had a lot of disposable income and the desire to live thier past again... they bid up these guitars along with other items from the 50's, 60's and 70's.

Guitar manufacturers jumped on the bandwagon with historics and relics etc. to feed this market.

The money is now running out and once the baby boomer move on so will the value of these guitars. Talk about a bubble, high end Guitars are one big bubble, especially acoustics.

Moral of the story is buy a standard model and play the hell out of it. Get all the enjoyment you can out of it and don't look back.

If you try to buy for investment you will loose, the prices on new guitars will go the way of the $$$ and stocks.

After all the original owners of the vintage guitars did this>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Tim Plains · 10-28-2009, 08:38 AM

^ I also blame the baby-boomers for today's prices.
I have to pay around $5,000 for an R9 because some old guy wants to be Jimmy Page.

LPV · 10-28-2009, 04:18 PM

Nah, play the crap out of them. That way down the road they are worth something to you at least.

Murphy Slaw · 10-29-2009, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R9.

Murph, I thought the same thing a while back but I doubt it.

I'm not an investor, just a bar gigger, but I saw a few in a store a few months ago and just wondered. They had the '08 serial #.

I got to thinking, there might not be a helluva lot of those, if nothing else it would be sort of an oddity......

The Guitarist · 10-29-2009, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockstar232007

The bottom line is: The way LPs (or any guitars) are produced today (in mass-quantities, and mainly by machines) they will NEVER be rare, unless ALL the rest of them somehow disappear (which is HIGHLY doubtful).

You could always wait for a post-apocalyptic situation.

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r9in09 Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,206 Thanks: 38 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Re: '08 Standards That Aren't? wut? not another "here's what I don't agree with about the new standards" thread? good lawd oh, I see what you're asking... and no I don't think so

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AXE Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Village Of The Damned. Posts: 19,122 Thanks: 1,228 Thanked 677 Times in 155 Posts	Re: '08 Standards That Aren't? Prolly not Murph. Too many produced. And nothing particularly special about any of them. __________________ Heavy metal, hard-core, punk, pop, or thrash. You can call it anything it don't matter to me. Call it what you want. It's all music to me.

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guitarfish Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Milford, PA Posts: 2,521 Thanks: 17 Thanked 92 Times in 8 Posts	Re: '08 Standards That Aren't? I have a pre-2008 08 Standard. I'll tell ya what, I wish I knew what to call it. We need a better name for these. But no, I don't think the fact that they introduced a new model mid-year will make it more valuable.

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rockstar232007 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Born and raised in South Detroit... Posts: 8,438 Thanks: 232 Thanked 80 Times in 15 Posts	Re: '08 Standards That Aren't? Modern/new LPs (even the one-offs from the CS) will NEVER reach the type of $$$$ that vintage (35+ year old) LPs are at, right now. And that's just sad. The MAIN reasons older ('54-'60) LPs became so valuable were: - Better construction/better materials/WAY better sound - They were made in VERY limited numbers, because the builders actually took their time in making them (mostly by hand) - When they were discontinued in '61 (and replaced by the SG), people feared that there would NEVER be another LP made, so they basically went on wild goose chases to find/purchase ALL of the pre-'60s LPs, which is one reason they are so rare. The bottom line is: The way LPs (or any guitars) are produced today (in mass-quantities, and mainly by machines) they will NEVER be rare, unless ALL the rest of them somehow disappear (which is HIGHLY doubtful).

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guitarfish Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Milford, PA Posts: 2,521 Thanks: 17 Thanked 92 Times in 8 Posts	Re: '08 Standards That Aren't? Someday when everything new is "smart wood", the current models will be valued more. Not sure what that translates into in terms of dollars and sense, but someday our instruments maybe viewed as premium.

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Tim Plains Bartlett Retrospec Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 9,383 Thanks: 638 Thanked 676 Times in 76 Posts	Re: '08 Standards That Aren't? ^ He's talking about the 2007 Standard. Chambered body, short neck tenon, no new appointments as found on the "new" '08 Standard. Gibson made them for around a year & a half. Murph, I thought the same thing a while back but I doubt it. Chambering didn't exactly get a warm welcome. __________________ Tim. Future Bartlett Retrospec winner!!

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leeplaysblues Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: '08 Standards That Aren't? One of the reasons guitar prices went crazy (think Les Paul, old Fenders, Martins) was that a lot of baby boomers had a lot of disposable income and the desire to live thier past again... they bid up these guitars along with other items from the 50's, 60's and 70's. Guitar manufacturers jumped on the bandwagon with historics and relics etc. to feed this market. The money is now running out and once the baby boomer move on so will the value of these guitars. Talk about a bubble, high end Guitars are one big bubble, especially acoustics. Moral of the story is buy a standard model and play the hell out of it. Get all the enjoyment you can out of it and don't look back. If you try to buy for investment you will loose, the prices on new guitars will go the way of the $$$ and stocks. After all the original owners of the vintage guitars did this>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Last edited by leeplaysblues; 10-29-2009 at 04:02 AM.

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Tim Plains Bartlett Retrospec Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 9,383 Thanks: 638 Thanked 676 Times in 76 Posts	Re: '08 Standards That Aren't? ^ I also blame the baby-boomers for today's prices. I have to pay around $5,000 for an R9 because some old guy wants to be Jimmy Page. __________________ Tim. Future Bartlett Retrospec winner!!

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LPV Blues Litigator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Quebec Posts: 7,929 Thanks: 148 Thanked 814 Times in 169 Posts	Re: '08 Standards That Aren't? Nah, play the crap out of them. That way down the road they are worth something to you at least. __________________

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