the official Les Paul Traditional love thread

[benjammin420]

Originally Posted by Axis39

And really I found the volume drop and the thinner sound with the split too much for my taste. Others may find it very useful! Just not my cup of tea.

+1, I added a switch for coil splitting when I got the Skatterbranes, I never liked it and eventually removed it. I mostly didnt like the hum (hum on a Les Paul? no thanks), I much prefer using the out-of-phase mode for when I want thinner sounds, works like a charm

[Tenacious Brie]

Originally Posted by benjammin420

+1, I added a switch for coil splitting when I got the Skatterbranes, I never liked it and eventually removed it. I mostly didnt like the hum (hum on a Les Paul? no thanks), I much prefer using the out-of-phase mode for when I want thinner sounds, works like a charm

Out of phase a la Peter Green? How do you do it?

[benjammin420]

I wired it out of phase (as opposed to flipping the magnet, or rewinding, or some of the other stuff Ive read about) All you have to do is reverse the "hot" and "ground" wires (*though my pickups have 4 way conductors)

this chart is also for 4 way pickups, but its the only one i could find
Wiring Diagram

[benjammin420]

for you newer guys who may have missed it, we have a support group for Traditional users too
http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/grou...ditionals.html

[Lefty2play]

Anyone ever seen a traditional plus with aged hardware and rusted screws? Did it start out being something else in the LP lineup? I just wonder.....

[Lowdown]

Here's my 2010 Honeyburst Trad+

[Iancognito]

Great looking Honeyburst!

[Lowdown]

Cheers mate.

The neck on her is T-H-I-C-K!
I love it

[Iancognito]

Originally Posted by Lowdown

Cheers mate.

The neck on her is T-H-I-C-K!
I love it

Must be a 50s neck then. It seemed strange at first but I got used to it really quickly and now I love it too.

[Lowdown]

Yeah. It is.
Funny thing is,my Standard Faded has a 50's neck too. But is nowhere as thick as this baby.

But damn,I do like it. Takes a bit of getting used to,but once you've settled in for the ride it's pedal to the metal all the way.

[Axis39]

Originally Posted by Lowdown

Here's my 2010 Honeyburst Trad+

That may be one of the prettiest Honey Bursts I've ever seen. Very nice!

[valen]

I have seen people refer to Traditionals as Trad and Trad+. I understand that the Trad+ has a figured top. My question is , where does the Trad end and the Trad+ start ? i.e. is a regular Trad a plain top ? Or is it lightly figured top and the Trad+ more deeply figured top ?

The ones at my dealer range from a deep flame to some with some flame around the edges but mostly plain. Is it on the tags ? Also, on the Gibson web site there seems to be no mention of the "Plus" model or did I miss it ?

Is the Plus vs. regular just a matter of someone at Gibson making a call on the level of figuring of the top and sticking a Plus tag on it ? Or is it more deliberate than that ?

Can someone shed some light on the whole Traditional vs. Traditional Plus thing ?

Thanks

[benjammin420]

Originally Posted by valen

I have seen people refer to Traditionals as Trad and Trad+. I understand that the Trad+ has a figured top. My question is , where does the Trad end and the Trad+ start ? i.e. is a regular Trad a plain top ? Or is it lightly figured top and the Trad+ more deeply figured top ?

Can someone shed some light on the whole Traditional vs. Traditional Plus thing ?

I think technically, the Ebony and Goldtop models are just "Traditionals", the flame top bursts are "Plus's", and the GC/MF exposed zebra pickup models are the "Pros"

When I bought my Plus, the tag just said "Traditional-Honeyburst", Im not sure where they actual different designations come from

[Hawiian2]

Ok
Here is my 2009 Ice Tea Pro!

[Iancognito]

Nice finish! I like it.

[Boleskinehouse]

Great top, but it's not a Pro... That's a regular Trad which is actually a step up from the Pro.

[Hawiian2]

Originally Posted by Iancognito

Nice finish! I like it.

I know, that was the final nail so to speak. When I looked it over I knew it was going home with me.
(I wrote "pro" instead of Plus LOL how like me!! )

[Axis39]

Originally Posted by valen

I have seen people refer to Traditionals as Trad and Trad+. I understand that the Trad+ has a figured top. My question is , where does the Trad end and the Trad+ start ? i.e. is a regular Trad a plain top ? Or is it lightly figured top and the Trad+ more deeply figured top ?

The ones at my dealer range from a deep flame to some with some flame around the edges but mostly plain. Is it on the tags ? Also, on the Gibson web site there seems to be no mention of the "Plus" model or did I miss it ?

Is the Plus vs. regular just a matter of someone at Gibson making a call on the level of figuring of the top and sticking a Plus tag on it ? Or is it more deliberate than that ?

Can someone shed some light on the whole Traditional vs. Traditional Plus thing ?

Thanks

As was hit on earlier in this thread somewhere... LOL

There are Traditionals and Traditional Pros.

People refer to the Traditionals with the burst finish as Pluses. But Gibson does not designate it that way. The theory is that GC/MF used it at some point to designate the figured top. Though they are usually only AA, but some have shown heavy figuring.

People refer to the Traditionals in ebony and Goldtop versions as just Traditionals.

The Traditional Pros are plain top bursts. Although, there have been sightings of wine red Pros.

[newfmp3]

Lowdown, that's the nicest honey burst I've seen in a long time.....purdy purdy

[Lowdown]

Originally Posted by newfmp3

Lowdown, that's the nicest honey burst I've seen in a long time.....purdy purdy

Thanx mate.

[moff40]

Originally Posted by Axis39

As was hit on earlier in this thread somewhere... LOL

There are Traditionals and Traditional Pros.

People refer to the Traditionals with the burst finish as Pluses. But Gibson does not designate it that way. The theory is that GC/MF used it at some point to designate the figured top. Though they are usually only AA, but some have shown heavy figuring.

People refer to the Traditionals in ebony and Goldtop versions as just Traditionals.

The Traditional Pros are plain top bursts. Although, there have been sightings of wine red Pros.

Close.

Officially, there is only the Traditional.

GC had a "special" model built exclusively for them called the Trad Pro, but you won't find it on the Gibson site.

What we generally refer to as "Traditionals" are not only goldtop and ebony, but also the plaintop bursts. What we incorrectly call a Traditional Plus is a Traditional with a "plus" (figured\flamed) top. Hang tags may indicate "+", but that relates to the "plus" top, not the model name. Hang tags also indicate colour, but you don't see a "Standard Red".

[LouieTM]

Originally Posted by moff40

Close.

Officially, there is only the Traditional.

GC had a "special" model built exclusively for them called the Trad Pro, but you won't find it on the Gibson site.

I'll respectfully disagree, it's been up there for at least a couple of weeks now.

What we generally refer to as "Traditionals" are not only goldtop and ebony, but also the plaintop bursts. What we incorrectly call a Traditional Plus is a Traditional with a "plus" (figured\flamed) top. Hang tags may indicate "+", but that relates to the "plus" top, not the model name. Hang tags also indicate colour, but you don't see a "Standard Red".

Sorry, but you're wrong about the tops again.

For future reference, this is the "Traditional" family:

1. Les Paul Traditional (50's necks, covered Classic 57's, etc.): Gibson - Gibson Guitar: Les Paul Guitar Review, Pictures and Tabs, Download Guitar Music and Buy Gibson Electric Guitars Online
1.1 "Traditional" (unoficially): Gold Top and Ebony
1.2 "Traditional Plus" (unoficially): Heritage Cherry Sunburst, Desert Burst, Honey Burst, Iced Tea and Light Burst

2. Les Paul Traditional Pro (60's necks, zebra BB3/57+, coil tapping, plain tops): Vintage Sunburst, Heritage Sunburst, Ebony and Gold Top Gibson - Gibson USA: Les Paul Traditional Pro Exclusive, Pictures and Tabs, Download Guitar Music and Buy Gibson Electric Guitars Online

[Axis39]

Originally Posted by LouieTM

I'll respectfully disagree, it's been up there for at least a couple of weeks now.



Sorry, but you're wrong about the tops again.

For future reference, this is the "Traditional" family:

1. Les Paul Traditional (50's necks, covered Classic 57's, etc.): Gibson - Gibson Guitar: Les Paul Guitar Review, Pictures and Tabs, Download Guitar Music and Buy Gibson Electric Guitars Online
1.1 "Traditional" (unoficially): Gold Top and Ebony
1.2 "Traditional Plus" (unoficially): Heritage Cherry Sunburst, Desert Burst, Honey Burst, Iced Tea and Light Burst

2. Les Paul Traditional Pro (60's necks, zebra BB3/57+, coil tapping, plain tops): Vintage Sunburst, Heritage Sunburst, Ebony and Gold Top Gibson - Gibson USA: Les Paul Traditional Pro Exclusive, Pictures and Tabs, Download Guitar Music and Buy Gibson Electric Guitars Online

Ha, I think that's what I said, wasn't it? LOL

Minus a little detail....

[benjammin420]

I noticed GC didnt have Gold as an available option for sale

[Justin_Case]

Originally Posted by moff40

Close.

Officially, there is only the Traditional.

GC had a "special" model built exclusively for them called the Trad Pro, but you won't find it on the Gibson site.

What we generally refer to as "Traditionals" are not only goldtop and ebony, but also the plaintop bursts. What we incorrectly call a Traditional Plus is a Traditional with a "plus" (figured\flamed) top. Hang tags may indicate "+", but that relates to the "plus" top, not the model name. Hang tags also indicate colour, but you don't see a "Standard Red".

There is a Gibson page for the Trad Pro:
Gibson - Gibson USA: Les Paul Traditional Pro Exclusive, Pictures and Tabs, Download Guitar Music and Buy Gibson Electric Guitars Online

[moff40]

Originally Posted by LouieTM

I'll respectfully disagree, it's been up there for at least a couple of weeks now.

That's a new one. Thanks for the update.

Originally Posted by LouieTM

Sorry, but you're wrong about the tops again.

For future reference, this is the "Traditional" family:

1. Les Paul Traditional (50's necks, covered Classic 57's, etc.): Gibson - Gibson Guitar: Les Paul Guitar Review, Pictures and Tabs, Download Guitar Music and Buy Gibson Electric Guitars Online
1.1 "Traditional" (unoficially): Gold Top and Ebony
1.2 "Traditional Plus" (unoficially): Heritage Cherry Sunburst, Desert Burst, Honey Burst, Iced Tea and Light Burst

Exactly. It's all unofficial. There is no such thing as a "Traditional Plus", so the divisions are arbitrary at best. The "normal" or historical reason for ANY Gibson model getting a "plus" nickname was the "plus" (flamed\figured) top, not it's finish. Therefore, it makes sense that the "plus" top Traditionals are nickmned "Traditional Plus", regardless of that some 19-year-old at GC (who doesn't know the history) has to say.

[newfmp3]

had someone send me a pic of this one today. Nice top

[kylehnewman]

A Traditional Pro is a solidbody and is not wight relieved or chambered.

[Justin_Case]

Taken fromGibson - Gibson USA: Les Paul Traditional Pro Exclusive, Pictures and Tabs, Download Guitar Music and Buy Gibson Electric Guitars Online


Tonal Characteristics
The mahogany body of the Les Paul Traditional Pro cranks out tone that is somewhat soft, but extremely well-balanced, with good grind and bite. It has the potential for good depth, with full (though not super-tight) lows, velvety highs and a slightly compressed response. Its maple cap adds snap, sizzle and sustain. And like a number of Gibsons, the Les Paul’s interior has weight relief cavities, which gives you a guitar that is louder acoustically and features increased sustain and resonance.

[Tim Plains]

^ Justin, doesn't matter what you write, that guy will still think they're solid. I explained it to him months ago in the Trad group but clearly, he still doesn't get it. My Les Paul Forums - just curious, anybody weigh their Trad?

Originally Posted by newfmp3

had someone send me a pic of this one today. Nice top

I recognize that couch - The Guitar Shop.
Don't like the LP, though, reminds me of a Christmas tree.