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Unread 04-16-2009, 05:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi, I've been looking to buy a new gibson les paul for a while, but I'm not sure which one I should be looking for. The ones in my price range are the traditional and standard. I was hoping someone could explain the difference in these to me. I hear that the new standards have had some weight relief stuff done to them and don't sound as good as they use to. I've also read that the Traditional is designed after the LPs from the 80s, would that be the better choice since most of my favorite music is classic rock and 80s hard rock? Thanks in advance
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Gibson Les Paul Standard Traditional Pro Electric Guitar Features:

Body Style: Non-chambered
Top: Carved maple
Back: Mahogany
Neck: Set mahogany
Neck Profile: '60s
Headstock: Angled
Scale length: 24-3/4"
Fingerboard: Bound Rosewood
No. of frets: 22 lloy Fret Wire
Nut width: 1.69"
Inlays: Trapezoid
Binding: Antique
Bridge: Tune-O-Matic with stopbar tailpiece
Tuners: Locking Grover
Hardware: Chrome
Bridge pickup: potted BurstBucker 3 humbucker with coil-splitting
Neck Pickup: '57 Classic with coil-splitting
Electronics: 2 volume with push/pull coil-splitting, 2 tone, 3-way toggle pickup selector
Knobs: Vintage Gibson top hats
Pickguard: Period-correct
Case: Hardshell
Other: Plek Set-up

Gibson Les Paul Standard Plus Electric Guitar Features:

Body Wood: Chambered mahogany
Top wood: Figured maple
Scale Length: 24-3/4"
Neck Joint: Set-in
Neck Wood: Mahogany
Fretboard: Rosewood
Neck Plek'd on Gibson Plek Machine
Neck Shape: Asymetrical
Frets: 22
Inlays: Figured acrylic trapezoid
Nut Width: 1.695" ± .050"
Fretboard Radius: 12"
Bridge: TonePros locking Nashville Tune-O-Matic
Tailpiece: Locking TonePros
Pickup Bridge: Burstbucker Pro with Alnico V
Pickup Neck: Burstbucker Pro with Alnico V
Controls: 2 volume, 2 tone with gold-plated Bourns-designed pots, 3-way pickup selector
Tuners: Locking Grover
Straplocks: Dunlop
Jack: Neutrik locking
Hardware color: Chrome
Binding: Antique cream top and neck
Finish: Lacquer

ibson Les Paul Traditional Plus Electric Guitar Features:

Body Wood: Mahogany, non-chambered weight-relieved
Top wood: Figured maple
Scale Length: 24-3/4"
Neck Joint: Set-in
Neck Wood: Mahogany
Fretboard: Rosewood
Plek'd on Gibson Plek Machine
Neck Shape: '50s rounded
Frets: 22
Nut Width: 1.695"
Fretboard Radius: 12"
Bridge: Nashville Tune-O-Matic
Tailpiece: Stopbar
Pickup Bridge: '57 Classic Plus humbucker
Pickup Neck: '57 Classic humbucker
Controls: 2 volume, 2 tone, 3-way pickup selector
Vintage speed knobs
Tuners: TonePros Kluson-style
Hardware color: Chrome
Binding: top and neck
Finish: Lacquer

SOURCE: Musician's Friend
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Oh man, havent even heard of that traditional pro. That price is VERY tempting
Anyone play one of these and know how they compare to the other traditional and stardard, besides the burstbucker 3.
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Re: traditional vs standard

You said that you are into the music from the 80's, well you should go for the Traditional, not the pro. The traditional is based off the les pauls of the 80's and 90's and also have the 57 classic pickups in them. The standard is much lighter, which I did not like when I checked them out together. And to be realistic about this, the "standard" is really the Tradtional except with 57's. The new standard is for a modernized sound. I don't like the pcb board either. I like the pots and caps. I am not saying there is anything wrong with the standard but from what you are saying, the Trad is an awesome guitar, looks and playability wise. Has the weight too. But you should try them both out. And research a little bit on here about the former threads of standard vs trad.
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You said that you are into the music from the 80's, well you should go for the Traditional, not the pro. The traditional is based off the les pauls of the 80's and 90's and also have the 57 classic pickups in them. The standard is much lighter, which I did not like when I checked them out together. And to be realistic about this, the "standard" is really the Tradtional except with 57's. The new standard is for a modernized sound. I don't like the pcb board either. I like the pots and caps. I am not saying there is anything wrong with the standard but from what you are saying, the Trad is an awesome guitar, looks and playability wise. Has the weight too. But you should try them both out. And research a little bit on here about the former threads of standard vs trad.
I dont quite follow. You say I should go Traditional because its based of the 80s and 90s one, yes? Because the Traditional Pro says it is based of those ones as well. And i thought the standards had bb pros while the traditional had 57s??

Reason I ask is because alot of people complain about the chambering and weight relief stuff. The only store in my town doesnt carry traditional pros. Only GC is a few hours out so just want to know if its worth the drive to see if I like that one more.
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I dont quite follow. You say I should go Traditional because its based of the 80s and 90s one, yes? Because the Traditional Pro says it is based of those ones as well. And i thought the standards had bb pros while the traditional had 57s??

Reason I ask is because alot of people complain about the chambering and weight relief stuff. The only store in my town doesnt carry traditional pros. Only GC is a few hours out so just want to know if its worth the drive to see if I like that one more.
A few hours drive is nothing when spending that kind of cash. Decide when it is in your hands. Oh, and a pic of my 08' standards control cavity

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I dont quite follow. You say I should go Traditional because its based of the 80s and 90s one, yes? Because the Traditional Pro says it is based of those ones as well. And i thought the standards had bb pros while the traditional had 57s??

Reason I ask is because alot of people complain about the chambering and weight relief stuff. The only store in my town doesnt carry traditional pros. Only GC is a few hours out so just want to know if its worth the drive to see if I like that one more.
The Trad pro is just a lesser version of the Traditional in my opinion which is a killer guitar. And yes the Traditional is based on the les pauls of the 80's and 90's, the pro maybe as well since they are basing the Trad pro on the Traditional. Yes the new standards, 09, have bb pro's in them and are chambered. The Traditional is equipped with the Classic 57's in them.
I can't say what you would like better chambering wise or weight wise. Me personally I wanted a heavier guitar that is not gutted. The swiss cheese works for me since that is how it has been done for a while now anyway. If you want to take the drive and check out the pro go ahead, but I would get the Traditional if I were you, hell I did. But I also didn't have the option of the Pro either. Just the Standard and the Trad. I don't like the new Standards. The trad is basically the old standards.
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traditional, thats my preference, it sounds more like a vintage les paul
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if you like slash and 80s music get the traditional
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hey burst addict, can you tel me how to start a thread
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Re: traditional vs standard

Oooh ! "VS" thread again ?

Traditional ;-)
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traditional, thats my preference, it sounds more like a vintage les paul
Funny how we all hear things differently. I subscribe to Guitarist (English mag), and a few months back, they compared the Traditional and '08 Standard. Both received very high ratings but the '08 Standard was ultimatly their choice. They made the comment that in their estimation, the '08 Standard actually sounded more vintage with the BB Pro's as opposed to the Traditional with '57 Classics. I can quote if anyone is interested.

I played both these guitars extensively before choosing the '08 Standard. I actually own 2 now, one I modified with P94 pup's. I just don't hear any ill affects in tone due to the chambering. The Traditional is weight relieved, but with less overall wood removed.

While many here advocate the reissues due to the lack of any weight relief amoung other things, I bought 2 Standards for around what one of these cost.

It all depends how you use it I suppose. Personally, I'm not a professional musician, so if there are tonal advantages with the reissues, it just isn't enough for me to justify the extreme price.

It sounds like it will be difficult for you to compare the Traditional and '08 Standard, but I would recommend this if at all possible. While both are very fine instruments, my preference is the Standard. Only you can make the judgement as to what you prefer. If you don't have that option, I don't think you will be dissatisfied with either choice. I don't agree with the opinion that because the '08 Standard is chambered, it is not a true Les Paul, but that is just my opinion.
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hey burst addict, can you tel me how to start a thread
go to whatever part of the forum you want to post a thread in (ex. gibson les pauls) then find the "new thread" button, in this part of the forum its right under the norlin years subforum
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Re: traditional vs standard

thanks for posting I went to the store and tried a used 04 standard and an 08 standard. Both sounded great but, the used wasnt in the condition id prefer and although the neck was great I found the 08 to be a bit light (lighter than my PRS Custom 24). I didnt even try the traditional but now ive checked them out they sit in my price range a bit better, although id remove the scratchplate I think.

Im into early fleetwood mac with Peter Green and Slash so do you think the traditional would be more suited to me?
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i prefer the standard 08, but it's a bit expensive, i think.
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I prefer the Traditional over the newer Standards, especially the '08s

EDIT: Oh Crap! Didn't realize how old this thread was - sorry everybody...
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Sure would like to see people step up to the plate and prove it with a video...
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Sure would like to see people step up to the plate and prove it with a video...
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Re: traditional vs standard

seems to me from the feature descriptions that the biggest difference really would be the Neck Profile.

Traditional = 60s (thin)
Traditional Pro = 50s (beefy)
Standard = Compound Radius

you can change out pickups, but you can't change the neck. That's a bigger deal than the chambering even.

I like 50s style necks, but the Standard was very comfortable and I was impressed. But I still wouldn't take 30 of them for my 50s LP Special
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seems to me from the feature descriptions that the biggest difference really would be the Neck Profile.

Traditional = 60s (thin)
Traditional Pro = 50s (beefy)
Standard = Compound Radius

you can change out pickups, but you can't change the neck. That's a bigger deal than the chambering even.

I like 50s style necks, but the Standard was very comfortable and I was impressed. But I still wouldn't take 30 of them for my 50s LP Special
My 2011 Trad Plus has a '50's neck.
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yeah my 09 Trad Plus has the 50's neck too.
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My 2011 Trad Plus has a '50's neck.
All the Traditional Plus models have "50's" style necks.

The 13' Traditional Plus has an even chunkier 50's style neck, it's about the size of an r8.
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traditional!!! the 2013's have solid bodies,no weight relief,basically exactly how a les paul should be! but thats just my opinion,go and try a few out and see what takes your fancy.
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