b stock/2nd?

[toolfan88]

im not sure were i should have posted this. sorry if its in the wrong place
my friend told me that gibson used to take necks and bodys that were damaged but still worked fine and throw a B or a 2nd mark on it. these guitars have bemishes and scratched. he said gibson didnt want to sell as gibsons so just put made epiphones out of some of them. is this true? or he is talking out his

[Roman Rist]

Originally Posted by toolfan88

im not sure were i should have posted this. sorry if its in the wrong place
my friend told me that gibson used to take necks and bodys that were damaged but still worked fine and throw a B or a 2nd mark on it. these guitars have bemishes and scratched. he said gibson didnt want to sell as gibsons so just put made epiphones out of some of them. is this true? or he is talking out his

I am not sure about this. What I Do know, is that Gibson used to mark guitars with finish flaws as seconds. They would stamp a 2 in the back of the headstock. They were still sold as Gibsons.

Max and I used to have great fun finding the finish flaw that got the 2nd stamped on the headstock.

On the other hand I have seen some of the worst crap that did not have a second stamp on it because the finish was perfect.

I am not sure when that policy changed. I know for years now, seconds have been cut up.

A buddy of mine worked in the custom shop and had great fun.

When a guitar was deemed a second, the parts were stripped and he had a Metal roof support pole that was used to smash the guitar to bits.


Roman

[lp59aholicDon]

In the Norlin years, late 1969 to 1986 Gibson used to mark some finish flaw guitars with a 2 above the serial or stanped " SECOND" on the back of the headstock

[3dmac]

RFR is correct, Gibson branded Guitars are not sold as seconds and are scrapped if they get that far on the line.
Epi's on the other hand , since made overseas does at times ship 2nd/blems to certain sellers. Musicians Friend is one. These have some miner paint/binding/ or dings and cant be sold as prime. But still are ship at a savings. Most are very minor and need be looked at closely to find.

[lp59aholicDon]

Originally Posted by RFR

I am not sure about this. What I Do know, is that Gibson used to mark guitars with finish flaws as seconds. They would stamp a 2 in the back of the headstock. They were still sold as Gibsons.

Max and I used to have great fun finding the finish flaw that got the 2nd stamped on the headstock.

On the other hand I have seen some of the worst crap that did not have a second stamp on it because the finish was perfect.

I am not sure when that policy changed. I know for years now, seconds have been cut up.

A buddy of mine worked in the custom shop and had great fun.

When a guitar was deemed a second, the parts were stripped and he had a Metal roof support pole that was used to smash the guitar to bits.


Roman

Roman, I Believe Henry J. killed off the idea of seconds,, Shame and a waste too, Maybe some parts ect could be scrapped or salvaged for like a lower cost Gibson model, or they could be made with out names and given to music programs for poor kids, Henry J. could not only get a tax break but also get more kudo feathers for being a good guy and not wasteful Win Win Situation

[Fixxxer]

From an accounting standpoint if you mark something as second, that becomes a product / asset on the books that needs to be sold. It messes with your cash flow as you are showing you produce widgets, but now at varying costs etc. To track that correctly would be a pain in the arse.

If he just tosses it out, a marks everything as waste / disposal and life is "easier"

FWIW, I think seconds would be cool, but eventually more people would be on the look out for seconds and not buying the bigger money stuff....

Do you ever see a blemished BMW? on a car lot?

[lp59aholicDon]

Originally Posted by Fixxxer

From an accounting standpoint if you mark something as second, that becomes a product / asset on the books that needs to be sold. It messes with your cash flow as you are showing you produce widgets, but now at varying costs etc. To track that correctly would be a pain in the arse.

If he just tosses it out, a marks everything as waste / disposal and life is "easier"

FWIW, I think seconds would be cool, but eventually more people would be on the look out for seconds and not buying the bigger money stuff....

Do you ever see a blemished BMW? on a car lot?

Well Fixer, Tax write off plus goodguy for giving em away to music projects for the poor, GOOD way to promote as a good guy
As far as BMW blemishs , I hear in most of Europe Beamers are Taxis' Probably one place they are going

[Fixxxer]

Originally Posted by lp59aholicDon

Well Fixer, Tax write off plus goodguy for giving em away to music projects for the poor, GOOD way to promote as a good guy
As far as BMW blemishs , I hear in most of Europe Beamers are Taxis' Probably one place they are going

Interesting point, but I would think that HJ is all about the environment at the moment hence no more brazillians and other things they are highlighting about their guitars.

As for the BMW's not sure what you are getting at, as yes in the Europe they are more common, but apply my analogy to any car. Do you see new cars stamped second?

It would be nice if they just gave them away to underprivileged schools etc, but I am sure they have other areas of the organization they can leverage....

[drewbertca]

In Canada, Yorkville (Makers of Traynor) are the Gibson Distributor. They Re-inspect guitars and label a guitar with a sticker on the hang tag saying B-Stock. My BFG was labeled as such because it has "Finish Blemishes" on the top.....I was confused by this since the finish is designed as being essentially unfinished......I bought it anyway since the warantee isn't affected and it felt perfect to me....however I did get a slight discount on it.....

[Cross Roads]

You can pick up B-Stock Epiphone's from Musicians Friends.
I just got a catalog with some in it from them when I ordered my pedals.

They call it a B-Stock in the flyer and a blem on the website
Buy Epiphone Dot Electric Guitar online at Musician's Friend

[Axeman16]

i do know that they now destroy any guitars with any imperfections, what so ever.

[Roman Rist]

Originally Posted by Axeman16

i do know that they now destroy any guitars with any imperfections, what so ever.

Yes, But................... They also have us convinced that orangepeel and an unbuffed finish is desired.

[thefishingline]

These guitars can be some monster players, but investment wise I always stay clear of them...

[FLICKOFLASH]

Gibson now refinishes flaws as I seen when I was there


sorry blurry pic

[basschick22]

when I sent an inquiry about my Les Paul to Gibson's Customer Service, they said that since the early 80's, Seconds didn't leave the factory.