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Unread 11-25-2013, 03:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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auto-tuning Les Paul?

How good are those Les Pauls with the "mini-etune" system? Looks cool, great idea, but do they work and are they reliable? Does the guitar have a harder time staying in tune?
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Unread 11-25-2013, 03:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: auto-tuning Les Paul?

Not sure you will find much love for them here. I tried one of the older Robot SG's and while the guy was doing a demo for me the knob that changes tunings just broke off. I guess that left a bad taste in my mouth. Personally I don't feel a need for auto tuning. I guess if you had to change tunings on stage quickly it would be worthwhile.

One of the things I dig about guitars is that are very few mechanical parts that fail often. I kind of feel like that would change with this sort of technology. I wouldn't feel comfortable gigging with one, but that's just me.
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Trouble tuning your guitar?
Playing is gonna be a bitch.
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Re: auto-tuning Les Paul?

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How good are those Les Pauls with the "mini-etune" system? Looks cool, great idea, but do they work and are they reliable? Does the guitar have a harder time staying in tune?
The good news is that it's now a completely self-contained unit, and you can shake it off and replace it with standard tuners easily enough for whatever reason.

The other iterations of this gizmo have been fragile, and Gibson can't repair the first Robots.

So far, they tune to standard pretty well. I don't think the guitar has a harder time staying in tune.

You need to be careful with the alternate tunings it supports (a string gauge too heavy or too light and you'll break either the tuners or the striings), and you need to be aware that many of the alternate tunings will give you some very tight strings and some very loose within the same tuning. Nature of the beast.
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Trouble tuning your guitar?
Playing is gonna be a bitch.
Just more curious about having a guitar with alternate tunings at the touch of a button.
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Re: auto-tuning Les Paul?

buy a set of Grover Locking tuners. Whats so hard about it. I mean, turn the damn things. People need to stop being so lazy.
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Re: auto-tuning Les Paul?

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buy a set of Grover Locking tuners. Whats so hard about it. I mean, turn the damn things. People need to stop being so lazy.
I have Schaller's on my LP and they work fine. Really more curious about them (auto-tune system) than I am being lazy about tuning a guitar.
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Re: auto-tuning Les Paul?

Self tuning guitars actually seem like a good idea in a live situation, or when you want to goof around with 5 tunings an a day without a hassle.
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Re: auto-tuning Les Paul?

If, without the min-etune, you would have just manually tuned your guitar to alternate tunings when you want them, then yes, the min-etune will save you a lot of time.

If you play a lot in alternate tuning to the extent that you need to get your guitars properly set up with the right string gauge and intonation for each tuning, then min-etune will not work for you. A Line 6 Variax will work for this purpose.

The min-etune is a lot less complex than the previous robot system, and is very easy to swap out for normal tuners later.
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Re: auto-tuning Les Paul?

I had the option of wait 3 weeks for delivery, or take a Tribute with miniEtune at the price of the guitar without it.

I decided to take the eTune guitar home rather than wait.

I've had it 6 months now, and I'm completely indifferent to it. It's ok. Doesn't get in my way, doesn't set my world on fire. But I wouldn't pay for it.
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Re: auto-tuning Les Paul?

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Just more curious about having a guitar with alternate tunings at the touch of a button.


True bypass
Muted output
Chromatic and guitar/bass modes
***Fully programmable for alternate tunings and temperaments***
Extreme accuracy: .02 cents guaranteed

Yes. The Turbo Tuner comes with a number of built in alternate tunings, and it's easy for the user to add his own. As shipped, it has the following tunings:
Chromatic
Guitar (standard 6 string)
Drop D
DADGAD
Open A
Open D
Open E
Open G
Bass (standard 4 string bass)
Bass Drop D
5 String Bass
Violin (equal temperament)
Violin (perfect 5ths A4=440 Hz)
Cello (equal temperament)
Cello (perfect 5ths A3=220 Hz)
The turbo tuner comes equipped with three temperaments (equal, just and Pythagorean). The user may easily define up to 12 additional temperaments.


Already have that capability.
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True bypass
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Chromatic and guitar/bass modes
***Fully programmable for alternate tunings and temperaments***
Extreme accuracy: .02 cents guaranteed


Already have that capability.
Not quite the touch of a button, though. You have to wiggle your knobs. Not saying it's hard, or having it done automagically is better, but it's not the same thing.
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Re: auto-tuning Les Paul?

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Not quite the touch of a button, though. You have to wiggle your knobs. Not saying it's hard, or having it done automagically is better, but it's not the same thing.
Pardon me?...it is EXACTLY one button to switch tunings and one button to turn the tuner on or off?
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Pardon me?...it is EXACTLY one button to switch tunings and one button to turn the tuner on or off?
By 'wiggle your knobs' I think he meant turn your machine heads.
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Re: auto-tuning Les Paul?

I think it is all a gimmick designed to sell guitars to first time buyers who might be put-off by the notion of having to keep their guitar in tune. Look, this guitar tunes it's self! I can see where that might be a big selling point for someone who has no notion of tuning.

Maybe if you play in a bunch of different tunings, but even then the benefit seems dubious.

Otherwise, it does not seem really useful, and not something I would want even if it was free. In fact, i'd pay more NOT to have one.
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Re: auto-tuning Les Paul?

I would buy one, I wouldn't spend a ton of money on a guitar like this though, and it's certainly not high on my priority list, but it would definitely be handy in a gig situation if I was doing a set which relied on a number of different tunings.

Also, it's a handy thing to have around just to practice with. I often find I can't be bothered to learn songs if I have to change the tuning every time I want to play it. I have some guitars permanently tuned to e flat and open G for example, but this gadget would certainly save me time, and it's not practical to have more than one or two guitars sitting around in different tunings.
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Re: auto-tuning Les Paul?

I would consider one if I wanted to play with different tunings during a set and not want to carry around extras just for that purpose, or not to switch guitars. So maybe on a second (or third) guitar, but it would be a low priority and would have to be implemented elegantly.
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Re: auto-tuning Les Paul?

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I think it is all a gimmick designed to sell guitars to first time buyers who might be put-off by the notion of having to keep their guitar in tune. Look, this guitar tunes it's self! I can see where that might be a big selling point for someone who has no notion of tuning.

Maybe if you play in a bunch of different tunings, but even then the benefit seems dubious.

Otherwise, it does not seem really useful, and not something I would want even if it was free. In fact, i'd pay more NOT to have one.
It does seem gimmicky. But if someone didn't want to have to buy a few guitars and have them pre-tuned to alternate tunings for live performances, I can see it's merit to some degree. Think Jimmy Page had one of the original robo guitars awhile ago. Had some buttons on the body he could push to change tuning.
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Self tuning guitars actually seem like a good idea in a live situation, or when you want to goof around with 5 tunings an a day without a hassle.
Absolutely not.
Tuning up allows me to interact with the audience. I use it. I revel in it.
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Re: auto-tuning Les Paul?

The guy asks a simple friggin question about weather the min-e-tune is reliable and if it works well and some of you guys jump all over him, calling him lazy and saying he can't play... nice.

Is your life that shitty that you get joy from fvcking with people?
Do you do this to feel better about yourselves? I hope it worked.
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Re: auto-tuning Les Paul?

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Not quite the touch of a button, though. You have to wiggle your knobs. Not saying it's hard, or having it done automagically is better, but it's not the same thing.
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Pardon me?...it is EXACTLY one button to switch tunings and one button to turn the tuner on or off?
At the end of that operation you still have a guitar out of tune!


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Pardon me?...it is EXACTLY one button to switch tunings, twiddle your knobs, and then one button to turn the tuner on or off?
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By 'wiggle your knobs' I think he meant turn your machine heads.
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The guy asks a simple friggin question about weather the min-e-tune is reliable and if it works well and some of you guys jump all over him, calling him lazy and saying he can't play... nice.

Is your life that shitty that you get joy from fvcking with people?
Do you do this to feel better about yourselves? I hope it worked.
Ah, so if I express an opinion, you get to draw conclusion about my life?
Any guitar player that cannot tune is SOL.
And it IS worth a chuckle.
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Re: auto-tuning Les Paul?

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The guy asks a simple friggin question about weather the min-e-tune is reliable and if it works well and some of you guys jump all over him, calling him lazy and saying he can't play... nice.

Is your life that shitty that you get joy from fvcking with people?
Do you do this to feel better about yourselves? I hope it worked.
Any mention of the words 'robot' or 'min-etune' has the ability to invoke emotions in some people that bring about imagery of a red-eye Hal that somehow takes over the guitar and induces hallucination that using it means that the guitar will actually play itself as well, thus making the player of that guitar lesser of a guitarist, and hence justifying the mockery of said individual.
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Ah, so if I express an opinion, you get to draw conclusion about my life?
Any guitar player that cannot tune is SOL.
And it IS worth a chuckle.
Perhaps my question was misunderstood or not stated clearly. I was more curious about the reliability of the technology these days, more as it relates to alternate tunings at the push of a button. I would never want one of these myself. But a friend asked me what I thought, and I figured I'd get some opinions (and boy did I) about them. I use a Korg Pitchblack tuner and can tune just fine with it and on a good day even by ear (I can hear A440 in my head for no apparent reason sometimes, although it's probably just my tinnitus that is somehow coincidentally in pitch). I will report back to him to buy an auto-tune guitar at his own peril and at the risk of public shaming.

Cheers.
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Perhaps my question was misunderstood or not stated clearly.

Cheers.
He knows what you asked. It was both understood and stated clearly. It's not you.
I wish I could help with your question, but I have no experience with the min-e-tune.

BTW, anyone with half a brain and no stick shoved up their ass who played a lot of open or alternate tunings would welcome this sort of device.
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Ah, so if I express an opinion, you get to draw conclusion about my life?
Any guitar player that cannot tune is SOL.
And it IS worth a chuckle.
Wait, didn't you just recommend that the OP use a digital tuner in post #11.
If a guitar player could tune they wouldn't need that, would they?

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buy a set of Grover Locking tuners. Whats so hard about it. I mean, turn the damn things. People need to stop being so lazy.
I have always had standard tuners, but Locking Grovers came on my new one, wow what have been missing, love those things
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I have Schaller's on my LP and they work fine. Really more curious about them (auto-tune system) than I am being lazy about tuning a guitar.
Well, any set of tuners. Point is it doesn take that much to do. People have been doing this for a long ass time. Dont need no min-e-tune thing that will just break after the first year
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Re: auto-tuning Les Paul?

They are awesome, both live and at home... push one button and strum the strings and you are done... sure you can waste time doing it... but why? Less time tuning = more time playing!
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