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Unread 12-01-2008, 03:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The difference between Standards and Customs is...

I don't know! I need you guys' help in determining why there is such a huge difference. I have 6 "Standards" and 5 "Customs". As many of you know, they don't feel, play, or sound the same at all.

Is it the Ebony vs. Rosewood board?!? No. Is it the extra binding? No. Neck size? No. Inlays? No again.

Maybe it's all of those things combined. You can play a Standard and a Custom, both with the same sized neck, same pickups, and same setup. They feel like two totally different guitars.

I've been messing around with Les Pauls since before I knew how to play a D chord, which must have been '87 or '88, so I know how things differ from one guitar to next, even if it's the same model. That still doesn't explain the difference in "feeling" between the two.

My first Les Paul was an '89 Standard in Ebony. I still miss that one... I kept acquiring Standards until I got my first Historics.. I doubt I'll find another two as good as my R8 and R9, so I stopped with the Standards and started looking for something different.

Here's where the first '68 reissue Custom comes in. The ugly Tri-burst. She looks like Tammy Faye Baker after a two week meth binge. I played that horrible looking thing for about 5 min. and fell head over heels in love with it.

After 20 years, I've suddenly discovered that I'm a "Custom guy". My appetite for these things cannot be satisfied. My Standards haven't seen much play time in these past months, which is why I did my guitar off entry with the R9. I felt sorry for it!

Anyway, sorry for the long post, but any related insight and stories would be very cool! I don't think more pics are in order this time.
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Unread 12-01-2008, 03:36 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: The difference between Standards and Customs is...

Worthless post without pics...
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Re: The difference between Standards and Customs is...

Your new cream custom is the shit...
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Your new cream custom is the shit...
Knew I could count on you, Hummer.. Yours is pretty shitty too!
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3 - 6 pounds ?

What do I win ?
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Thats a good one....
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Re: The difference between Standards and Customs is...

Not good enough.
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Re: The difference between Standards and Customs is...

Unfortunately I've been a Custom guy since the first one was handed to me 30 years ago so I never really had a chance to "get to know" the Standards.
When I finally did make it a point to get to know a Standard... well, you know what happened! I don't have to tell you how it felt, sounded. Just didn't do it for me and I really wanted it to do something!

Face it when you pick up that Custom your holding in your hands "The" Cadillac of axes IMO.

I think it boils down to the "grade" of woods used on Customs .vs Standards.
When I was down at the PRS factory in Sept. Paul told me something interesting, how he will take a rubber malet and go looking for wood for his "Private Stock" pieces. He said he walks around whacking blanks with his malet and can tell which are the best pieces, those are the pieces he will use for the Private Stock.

When it comes to LP Custom I like to think the "extras" come in because the CS luthiers are actually Elf's that live in the freaking trees man!

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Re: The difference between Standards and Customs is...

Where can I acquire sheets like that? I think the difference is, those who have that bedspread time are more loved and play better. I know if I slept in a cold ass dark case I would show you no love!!!
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Re: The difference between Standards and Customs is...

This is not a debate, kids.....
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This is not a debate, kids.....
Hey now being 13 makes me a young adult. In some cultures a man! Haha. I believe it is the lack of consistency from not only factory to factory but where the wood comes from, temperature of the shops and many other things. Mainly emphasis on the wood and temp.
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Sound reasonable?
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Re: The difference between Standards and Customs is...

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Re: The difference between Standards and Customs is...

I wanted stories, not bullshit.
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Re: The difference between Standards and Customs is...

Im telling you Im putting all my money on the wood. Considering it will vary from tree to tree even slightly, which will have an impact. Not to mention where the wood comes from. If its in different parts of the country/world that will make an even bigger difference let alone the ones that grow next to each other. I majored in Biology for 2 semester.
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Re: The difference between Standards and Customs is...

R9s and R0s get the better wood. Customs get the flunkies.
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Not good enough.

i'm sure yr aware bole, that cream custom is intense,

overall, i think customs have slightly better workmanship, materials and care during the making process, this all adds upto arguably a better electric guitar.

my bb7 cannot be put down, i have a '94 strat plus which i still play; however, i have a lp classic that hasn't been touched since i got my custom. it has rendered this guitar kind of obselete.

there is something magic about owning a custom, that takes a while to take hold, then you realise.
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i'm sure yr aware bole, that cream custom is intense,

overall, i think customs have slightly better workmanship, materials and care during the making process, this all adds upto arguably a better electric guitar.

my bb7 cannot be put down, i have a '94 strat plus which i still play; however, i have a lp classic that hasn't been touched since i got my custom. it has rendered this guitar kind of obselete.

there is something magic about owning a custom, that takes a while to take hold, then you realise.
Yup, a decent Custom, (and aren't most?) will make most lesser Pauls obsolete. Been a Custom Guy All my life. Started my Gibson life with one, will die with one.

Never understood the allure of the Standard since it was "Lesser". Well, Last year I got an R9 and no longer dismiss them out of hand, but still, the Customs RULE.

It's rumored that the Ebony and White ones get the crap maple top woods compared to the Standards or the Figured Customs. but still, I find Ebony Customs to rule the tonal world.

Must be the binding.

My Current R4 Custom does not even have a maple cap. It's the first time I've had an all mahogany Custom and it too is a killer.

Must be the Binding.

And the pride of ownership of proudly playing the guitar with the coolest headstock in the known word!

It's the binding!
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Re: The difference between Standards and Customs is...

I guess most folks don't feel the same.

The '68s are better guitars than anything else Gibby makes, IMO. They're too heavy! It hurts! If I had back problems that bad, I would sit down and still pick the '68s.
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Re: The difference between Standards and Customs is...

The difference between Standards and Customs is...
About $1,000.

Heck, the Customs would be a no brainer if they weren't a grand more. This could be just like asking the diff between the Studio and the Standard. Owning a Standard at today's prices is quite the feat. The Custom is just that harder to reach.

Having said that...I dream of Boles new cream Custom every night...
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Re: The difference between Standards and Customs is...

*disclaimer*. All Customs mentioned have MAPPLE tops. I've never played an all Mahogany Custom.
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About $1,000.

Heck, the Customs would be a no brainer if they weren't a grand more. This could be just like asking the diff between the Studio and the Standard. Owning a Standard at today's prices is quite the feat. The Custom is just that harder to reach.

Having said that...I dream of Boles new cream Custom every night...
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If I could afford one, I would! But for now, my Standard is my main squeeze.
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Re: The difference between Standards and Customs is...

About the Custom . . . you gotta respect that sharp rear edge to the body. Pure class.
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Re: The difference between Standards and Customs is...

customs are just... ugly.

the only way i would buy a Custom is if i got a great deal....ie the guy on CL who had a 1982 for $1200 and sold it from under me...friggin @$$hat
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Re: The difference between Standards and Customs is...

Boles, you need an ebony one.
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*disclaimer*. All Customs mentioned have MAPPLE tops. I've never played an all Mahogany Custom.
Me neither until.........R4:
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Re: The difference between Standards and Customs is...

Hmm... well I can see why the black custom might sound different than the others...
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Well, my Custom sounds more refined, my R8 sounds creamier, but louder.
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What's going into the black one for pickups?
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