Made in USA

[juca]

When I got my Les Paul Standard Faded early this year, from an authorised Gibson dealer, the first thing I did was to look at the back of the headstock to see the great Made in USA "logo" along with the serial number.

Guess what...no Made in USA! The serial was there, still... I went nuts, and called to Gibson support number.

They did a searh on their databases with the serial I provided, and they told me that it was normal to happen on some guitars. But it was registered.

Did it happen to any of you guys?

[Axeman16]

wierd, never seen that before.

[Shawn Fate]

My custom does not say made in the usa on the headstock.

[LongBeach]

My classic doesn't say made in USA either, but I check it out on Gibson site
and they noted 2005 classic didnt have the USA stamp. The serieal numbers are paint as well in lieu of stamped into the wood. Thought that was bit cheesy.
But its a great guitar and I can get by without the stamp, etc.

[idlewild south]

Trust me,they are made in the USA.Anything made in China says so.

[rd_artist]

yeah the chinese guitars are heavy as lead

[eutterr]

For me if its a GIBSON, its gotta have the MADE IN USA stamp.If it does'nt have it,i'm not buying it!
I don't care what everybody say!

[bigconig]

Originally Posted by LongBeach

My classic doesn't say made in USA either, but I check it out on Gibson site
and they noted 2005 classic didnt have the USA stamp. The serieal numbers are paint as well in lieu of stamped into the wood. Thought that was bit cheesy.
But its a great guitar and I can get by without the stamp, etc.

The Ink serial numbers are because the Classic is a reissue, The original bursts had inked numbers, so do the historics.

[loneguitar]

all of mine say made in USA, 95 Studio, 91 ES335 and 07 faded SG, I wouldn't buy if it didn't say that on a Gibson

[Curtis_Louis]

My '76 just has the serial number and it is a sticker not carved into the headstock like my '05.

[MISTER1K]

well i probably go with the rest and say forget it, no Made in USA,no sale but my eyes would certainly dart to the fret bindings and see if the edges bound, being its a standard.I know if a customer phoned me with an issue such as this and in todays flooded conterfeit market,I would have maybe made the extra effort to at least supply the customer with some documentation to the effect listing the serial and coutry of origin.There is enough no s in the thread alone, and shows enough opinions on that issue. Would make a great Pole.Wouldnt it?.Mister

[alligatorbling]

Originally Posted by bigconig

The Ink serial numbers are because the Classic is a reissue, The original bursts had inked numbers, so do the historics.

hmm, so all classic models regardless of the year don't have the made in the USA on them?

::Edit:: I did some googeling and found this info

from the gibson support site

"There are always exceptions to these rules, the two listed below are worth noting:

Les Paul Classic: This model features an ink stamped serial number with no "MADE IN USA" (just as we used on the original 1952-1960 Les Pauls). Most will be 5 to 6 digits in length, but the earliest examples feature 4 digit serial numbers. There should be a space after the 1st digit with the 4 and 5 digit serial numbers, and no space with the 6 digit numbers.

The 1st digit indicates the year of manufacture for the 4 & 5 digit serial numbers, these were used from 1989-1999. The 1st and 2nd indicate the year of manufacture for the 6 digit serial numbers which we've been using since 2000. "

here are two links with good info on serial number and stamps
Gibson Support - Serial Number Search

Vintage Guitars Info - Gibson collecting vintage gibson guitars

[bigconig]

Originally Posted by alligatorbling

hmm, so all classic models regardless of the year don't have the made in the USA on them?

::Edit:: I did some googeling and found this info

from the gibson support site

"There are always exceptions to these rules, the two listed below are worth noting:

Les Paul Classic: This model features an ink stamped serial number with no "MADE IN USA" (just as we used on the original 1952-1960 Les Pauls). Most will be 5 to 6 digits in length, but the earliest examples feature 4 digit serial numbers. There should be a space after the 1st digit with the 4 and 5 digit serial numbers, and no space with the 6 digit numbers.

The 1st digit indicates the year of manufacture for the 4 & 5 digit serial numbers, these were used from 1989-1999. The 1st and 2nd indicate the year of manufacture for the 6 digit serial numbers which we've been using since 2000. "

here are two links with good info on serial number and stamps
Gibson Support - Serial Number Search

Vintage Guitars Info - Gibson collecting vintage gibson guitars

Yeah, all Gibsons should have a made in USA on them. I was just pointing out to LongBeach that the reason the Classic had the inked SN done like the originals.

[lp59aholicDon]

Originally Posted by bigconig

Yeah, all Gibsons should have a made in USA on them. I was just pointing out to LongBeach that the reason the Classic had the inked SN done like the originals.

I have an early 92 Classic 60 re issue, no Made In USA stamp , Shes been my baby since I bought her new, Most Gibson critics say this was the first positive and close re creation in features of its time Silkscreen Les Paul, has model , not classic, thin binding in the cutaway. I changed some of her plastic parts, the rings, picguard and truss rod cover , to make her a bit more of a better looking and closer to orginal re isssue

[coldsteal2]

Return it for another one that says Made In USA on it?

[Blues Power]

Originally Posted by eutterr

For me if its a GIBSON, its gotta have the MADE IN USA stamp.If it does'nt have it,i'm not buying it!
I don't care what everybody say!

me too

[juca]

Hey guys, what´s wrong with you ? (no ofense) I know how to tell if a guitar is a fake or not! I just asked you guys to know if happened to you. So here it goes: 017370521 the serial. The photo I uploaded is no good, cause it doesn´t show what beneath the serial number is. I guess the stamp was not properly done, because there´s something there, only not legible.

Anyway, I bought it on an authorised Gibson dealer, not online! And I don´t have a problem with online purchases! and I searched later on the net for commom issues, and guess what? they exist! Even in this forum. The guitar has all the Gibson original specs, you name it, trussrod cover, correct angle neck, correct trussrod. the fret bindings, edges bound, ALL documentation, original hardcase, etc. PLUS Gibson sent me by email a confirmation of the guitar as it was an original one. Nashville Production.

Once again we face the QC issues Gibson has...

The guitar is amazing, sounds better than most Les pauls that are not chambered, at least to me. It sustains a lot as you can see in my youtube videos.

My great Studio model weights a ton and doesn´t sustain so good at low volumes.

Case Closed. I had to write this

[bigconig]

Originally Posted by lp59aholicDon

I have an early 92 Classic 60 re issue, no Made In USA stamp , Shes been my baby since I bought her new, Most Gibson critics say this was the first positive and close re creation in features of its time Silkscreen Les Paul, has model , not classic, thin binding in the cutaway. I changed some of her plastic parts, the rings, picguard and truss rod cover , to make her a bit more of a better looking and closer to orginal re isssue

Yeah the early 90s classic are great, I had 2 (sold them to finance My R0) but loved them - Now that you mention it, I'll bet the early Classics didn't Have the Made In USA. I just realized My Historic doesn't either.

[coldsteal2]

Originally Posted by juca

Hey guys, what´s wrong with you ? (no ofense) I know how to tell if a guitar is a fake or not! I just asked you guys to know if happened to you. So here it goes: 017370521 the serial. The photo I uploaded is no good, cause it doesn´t show what beneath the serial number is. I guess the stamp was not properly done, because there´s something there, only not legible.

Anyway, I bought it on an authorised Gibson dealer, not online! And I don´t have a problem with online purchases! and I searched later on the net for commom issues, and guess what? they exist! Even in this forum. The guitar has all the Gibson original specs, you name it, trussrod cover, correct angle neck, correct trussrod. the fret bindings, edges bound, ALL documentation, original hardcase, etc. PLUS Gibson sent me by email a confirmation of the guitar as it was an original one. Nashville Production.

Once again we face the QC issues Gibson has...

The guitar is amazing, sounds better than most Les pauls that are not chambered, at least to me. It sustains a lot as you can see in my youtube videos.

My great Studio model weights a ton and doesn´t sustain so good at low volumes.

Case Closed. I had to write this

hahahaha, no offence but you brought it up
nobody was saying it was fake, only that you said it was
missing the USA stamp, and now found out that alot of LP's
dont have them

[coldsteal2]

I was looking at alot of the Classics, and they dont have USA
stamps, also alot of original Older Les Pauls dont have USA on them
either. My freinds 1960 Les Paul Jr doesnt have one

[LongBeach]

bigcong,
Thanks for the info on the inked #'s, good to know it was done like the originals.

Alligator - I found that same info on Gibson's site,
(bought my 05 classic on-line e-bay) really didnt bid on it seriously,
just tossed a $ out that I was 100% sure wouldnt win. But it did?
Completely freaked out when I got it and it had no USA stamp.
Bought it from a guitar/music store, actually called them direct to discuss &
the guy swore up and down it was the real-deal prior to shipping it.

This all goes back to many, many threads on this forum.
If your buying on-line, make damn sure you know what your getting
due to the fact morals are at an all time low.

[juca]

Originally Posted by coldsteal2

hahahaha, no offence but you brought it up
nobody was saying it was fake, only that you said it was
missing the USA stamp, and now found out that alot of LP's
dont have them

I can live with that coldsteal2

Cheers

[lp59aholicDon]

Long it is nice to know some folks still have moral integrity . I have yet to experience any bad sellers on Ebay:: Knockin on wood::

Originally Posted by LongBeach

bigcong,
Thanks for the info on the inked #'s, good to know it was done like the originals.

Alligator - I found that same info on Gibson's site,
(bought my 05 classic on-line e-bay) really didnt bid on it seriously,
just tossed a $ out that I was 100% sure wouldnt win. But it did?
Completely freaked out when I got it and it had no USA stamp.
Bought it from a guitar/music store, actually called them direct to discuss &
the guy swore up and down it was the real-deal prior to shipping it.

This all goes back to many, many threads on this forum.
If your buying on-line, make damn sure you know what your getting
due to the fact morals are at an all time low.

[LongBeach]

Thanks Don, that's a great compliment.

My experience w/ ebay (thus far) has been great as well.
But, now I know, since joining this forum, if I question an LP
being auctioned off, I'll just post a pick here and get the low-down.

[alligatorbling]

yeah my recent purchase on ebay is a 2003 classic. the serial number matches up with the gibson format for serial numbers post 2000, the first two digits are the year the guitar was made made, with no "MADE IN USA" stamp (to replicate the originals made from 1952-1960)...(pic included in this post along with link to actual ebay item).... the guy has over a 99% rating with only one negative feed back.

(what feed back statment said, with reply by seller)

NEVER RECEIVED,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,DON'T RECOMMEND THIS SITE TO ANYONE!!!!! fultoncounty ( 256) Jan-30-05 09:38

Reply by jonnybigmuff (Mar-11-05 00:51):
auction said PAYPAL only/buyer sent money order/tore-up m.o.&cancelled auction



headstock sn pic


acutal ebay sale page
2003 Gibson Les Paul Classic '60 Reissue GORGEOUS TONE - (eBay item 330187557185 end time Nov-14-07 01:14:42 PST)

so all in all i feel confident with this purchase... the guitar shipped out today and according to fed ex tracking it should be here by this comming friday... i cant wait