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Unread 10-22-2012, 01:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Gibson Les Paul Custom 1971

Hello,

I have just joined your forum, having read a few posts and finding this a good place to share information on Les Pauls.

I have just bought a Gibson Les Paul Custom from a shop in London and have been told that it is a 1971 model and may have PAF pickups. Two of the pots have been replaced and I have been given the originals. I believe that there was a volute that has been removed.

Can anyone help me verify the vintage and pickups (I suppose I may have to take it apart)? This is my first Gibson and any help to understand what I've got would be most welcomed.

I bought it because I simply fell in love

(I tried to paste a couple of images but as that didn't work I uploaded a couple of docs)

I can post anything else that would be helpful.

Thank you!

Kind Regards,
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Unread 10-22-2012, 02:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Custom 1971

I'm no expert on these, but in my own ignorance my first thought was that perhaps it's a 1969 Les Paul.

Those look a lot like Vintage and Rare Guitars style pictures. If they are, then it probably is what they say it is.

Looks very nice!
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Custom 1971

Welcome to MLP.
The Norlin Years forum would be the best place to start.
I suggest removing the attachments (easy to attach viruses to office documents for anyone opening them) and posting the images in the Gallery part of the site (bottom of the menu).
Then you can use the link to those in your post.
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Custom 1971

Or just upload the pics the same way you did with the Word docs. You don't have to put them into Word docs first.
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Custom 1971

I used to own a 68. See my avatar. It was without a volute and had the waffle back tuners. Could you provide the S/N. Itīs not readable on the photo. As far as I know in 71 they all had a volute.

Maybe this helps for better identification. Coppied from Blue Book of Electric Guitars.

Gibson Electric Guitars and Basses

LES PAUL CUSTOM 1968 REISSUE - single sharp cutaway mahogany body, multi-bound carved maple top, raised
bound black pickguard, one piece mahogany neck, 22 small fret bound ebony fingerboard with pearl block inlay, tuneo-
matic bridge/stop tailpiece, multi-bound peghead with pearl split diamond/logo inlay, no neck volute, 3 per side
Grover tuners, gold hardware, 2 humbucker Pat. No. pickups, 2 volume/2 tone controls, 3 position switch. Available in
Black finish. Mfd. 1968 only.

LES PAUL CUSTOM 1969 REISSUE (LPC-)
- similar to Les Paul Custom 1968 Reissue, except has 3 piece

mahogany/maple body, 3 piece neck. Available in Alpine White (AW), Black, Cherry, Cherry Sunburst, Ebony (EB),
Heritage Sunburst, Honeyburst, Natural, Tobacco Sunburst, Vintage Sunburst, Walnut, White, and Wine Red (WR)
finishes. Mfr. 1969 to date.



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Re: Gibson Les Paul Custom 1971

It looks like 69 because she doesn't have a volute but it could be 1970 because i see a made in usa stamp but not a 100% sure.It looks killer.

Actually that Made in Usa stamp doesn't look right or legit maybe it was add later.

It's a 69 pal.
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Custom 1971

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Hello,

I have just joined your forum, having read a few posts and finding this a good place to share information on Les Pauls.

I have just bought a Gibson Les Paul Custom from a shop in London and have been told that it is a 1971 model and may have PAF pickups. Two of the pots have been replaced and I have been given the originals. I believe that there was a volute that has been removed.

Can anyone help me verify the vintage and pickups (I suppose I may have to take it apart)? This is my first Gibson and any help to understand what I've got would be most welcomed.

I bought it because I simply fell in love

(I tried to paste a couple of images but as that didn't work I uploaded a couple of docs)

I can post anything else that would be helpful.

Thank you!

Kind Regards,
Doug
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Custom 1971

Hi Again,

Thanks to all who responded so quickly. I am getting the feeling that I may be spending more time here than workking...

I have uploaded the pics which was easier for me than finding the gallery and linking - I hope this is ok.

LesAdrian - When I look closely at the back of the neck, while it is smooth, I can see hairline cracks (possibly just paint) which may confirm the shop's saying that the volute was (professionally) removed. Could it still be a 69? Is this "better" than a 71? Thank you for your comments - it makes me feel better after parting with my hard earned cash!

JPP - The serial number is, I think, 970073 (or 970973). As with above the volute may have been removed. This is what the shop was told by the actual seller. Also: What is the Blue Book of electric guitars?

RedSkwirrell - If you think the Norlin Years forum is the right place for me then I will go there as well

joedonner2001 - Good eye! The photos are indeed from the Vintage and Rare shop. You think it might be a 69 because of the lack of a volute? And yes the guys at the shop are good and (I believe) trustworthy.

Sinster - This is no trap

Thank you all for your comments - in short I am feeling as though I have spent my money well and have a good guitar, whatever the details.

Would it be worthwhile to open up the pickups to check if they are PAF? Is there any chance of damage while doing this?

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Re: Gibson Les Paul Custom 1971

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You think it might be a 69 because of the lack of a volute? And yes the guys at the shop are good and (I believe) trustworthy.
That is correct. And, as someone else mentioned, because the "Made in USA" seems a bit strange from the pics, at least, as if it might've been added on later.

Really doesn't matter - as long as you're happy with the guitar. I'd be if I was you. Looks killer.

And this might clear up (or confuse even more) the serial number's approximate year:

http://www.gibson.com/Files/download...ialnumbers.pdf

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Re: Gibson Les Paul Custom 1971

Pickups should most likely be so called T-tops.
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Custom 1971

Thank you for the Blue Book.

And yes it is helpful and confusing

It could be 1968 but by the made in USA stamp seems more likely to be 1971.
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Custom 1971

I can't tell you the correct answer because the headstock angle looks like the big ones but all we can say is that She's a Beautiful Norlin and she could be from 69-71.
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Custom 1971

Thats nice, I need a 69 custom, one piece back and neck badly,its my birth year guitar but they are soooo expensive
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Custom 1971

Just BEAUTIFUL Doug!!!! Congrats, HNGD, welcome to the MLPF and welcome to the LP club!!!!
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Re: Gibson Les Paul Custom 1971

I had a '68 and a '74. Loved them both. The volute came in somewhere in 71, IIRC, but, given that it's Gibson, I would not say that EVERY '71 PL Custom had one...those made early in the year may have had the older style neck just to use up the last of them...
There was a lot of craftsmanship in those guitars, and a lot more hand work-they are more individual than today's LP's.

Enjoy it, whatever it turns out to be...hope you got a good deal on it, too.

Looking at the pics, I'd say it's 1969...my 68 had the waffle backs - I think they were an option back in those days-they were high end tuners, and IRC, very very good ones.

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Re: Gibson Les Paul Custom 1971

It has definitely Norlin era logo (used since 1971) and smaller diamond shape on headstock (until late 71). So i would say its a 71 with removed volute. If you want to be more sure, pls send us here the number of pot codes (137xxyy, where xx is year and yy is week).
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Nice guitar!
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