Cracked binding!

[denka]

Originally Posted by GibsonMarshallGuy

That's funny shit though, so if the paint on your car started peeling after FOUR YEARS you'd be pissed?? At who?

Well... I would be pissed at the manufacturer if the paint was peeling of the car after four years.

The paint should never peel of a car.

[GibsonMarshallGuy]

Originally Posted by denka

Well... I would be pissed at the manufacturer if the paint was peeling of the car after four years.

The paint should never peel of a car.

lmao, ****ing awesome....

[budg]

Originally Posted by GibsonMarshallGuy

I didn't say you did, I was writing to DanL...


That's funny shit though, so if the paint on your car started peeling after FOUR YEARS you'd be pissed?? At who?

I just love the "Gibson QC sucks" guys, because whenever they see dents, blemishes, or poor setups they go right away and blame "QC". Nevermind the fact that any of these issues could have begun at a warehouse or someone's home, but no it' Gibson QC. Give me a break, it's getting old.

Now, is Gibson perfect? I personally think not. Check out the BFG are crap thread. I mean, those are 2012 models, and they look in rough shape. I could see that being an issue at Gibson for sure... But like I said it's kind of crazy blaming "Gibson QC" for this issue, particularly when you all don't even know what has happened to it since it left the factory FOUR YEARS AGO!

It must be the cool thing to say "Gibson QC sucks". I should make T-shirts...

Actually if you go back and see my posts , I am anything but a "Gibson Sucks" guy.I have had good luck with most of my Gibsons save one.Had a 335 with some factory issues. .As someone who works for a manufacturer, I understand how the warranty works.Sometimes a supplier supplies you with an inferior product, but since the finished product has your name on it , the customer goes to you,you make it right and you backcharge the supplier.No big deal.

[alanamh]

Originally Posted by GibsonMarshallGuy

You took it to an authorized Gibson repair center, and they couldn't fix it? Hmm, honestly I don't think it looks so bad at all, I mean it wouldn't bother me, but that shouldn't be a problem for a luthier to fix. Hell, it might mean replacing all the binding completely, but it could be done....

He offered to replace the binding but couldn't find an exact match so it wouldn't match the rest of the binding and would decrease value etc

[River]

Originally Posted by denka

The paint should never peel of a car.

[alanamh]

Jesus talk about starting a debate! It's a 2008 Les Paul but was made late 2008 so is roughly 3 and a half years old, however I bought it new March 2009 so had been in the shop a few months. I've emailed Gibson they are making a warranty claim as they said it should not of happened! BOOM! Problem solved.

[budg]

Originally Posted by alanamh

Jesus talk about starting a debate! It's a 2008 Les Paul but was made late 2008 so is roughly 3 and a half years old. I've emailed Gibson they are making a warranty claim as they said it should not of happened! BOOM! Problem solved.

Imagine that, a warranty claim! Good luck with your claim.I am sure they will make it right.

[GibsonMarshallGuy]

Originally Posted by alanamh

He offered to replace the binding but couldn't find an exact match so it wouldn't match the rest of the binding and would decrease value etc

Ya, that makes sense, didn't read that part.

[GibsonMarshallGuy]

Originally Posted by alanamh

Jesus talk about starting a debate! It's a 2008 Les Paul but was made late 2008 so is roughly 3 and a half years old, however I bought it new March 2009 so had been in the shop a few months. I've emailed Gibson they are making a warranty claim as they said it should not of happened! BOOM! Problem solved.

Excellent!

[DanL]

Originally Posted by GibsonMarshallGuy

Oh and if the leather in my car was cracking after 4 years I would probably blame the sun??? Let's keep this about Gibson, bro....

Maybe it was a poor analogy, but I think you missed my point. Granted, previous owners can cause wear and so forth, but if you buy a guitar brand new and keep it in its case all the time, who else can you blame? Life? Mother nature? Seems rather implausible.

If you kept your car garaged and out of the sun (like a guitar in the case is protected from wear and tear) then who would you blame for cracked leather? Obviously it was just a bad piece of hide that someone didn't check out properly. I understand where you're coming from, there is a little too much bickering about quality control on these forums (and obviously I'm not helping right now) but at the same time, Gibson needs to raise their standards a little bit. Let's be honest, what ever happened to marking guitars as "seconds"? I can assure you they don't throw them away, they just hope some novice doesn't notice and pays the same top dollar price for a sub-par instrument.

Gibsons are made by humans, so can they be perfect? Of course not. But for the for the money, they should be as close as possible. This goes back to my point earlier. While we can't expect perfection, most errors in craftsmanship are made by humans, so while it can be expected, the blame still falls onto an employee rather than "nature". I mean come on, we literally pay an extra thousand dollars for binding and inlay work, so why be complacent with cracking after a very short period of pampered ownership?

Granted, all this bickering isn't very promising as far as changing Henry's mind on quality control, but that doesn't mean we should admire it and chalk it up as "mojo". When Gibson starts making guitars as "seconds" again then we might lose some justification in our complaining, but I don't think anyone can argue with the fact that some things are released from that factory that should not be sold at full retail. I know I know, cracked binding doesn't qualify a guitar as a "second", but I only used this as evidence that, in general, quality control is not up to par at Gibson.

P.S. Judging by the top on your traditional, I have no idea why you're more of a tele man.

EDIT: After re-reading this thread I think I missed your whole argument. Are you saying that it's not a quality control thing but a matter of craftsmanship? as in, it isn't the guy who checked it at the end of the line but the guy who put the binding on himself? I just used quality control as a general term including all of those factors, sorry if I misunderstood your claim.

[alanamh]

Originally Posted by GibsonMarshallGuy

How is it flawed workmanship? I mean it happened years after he owned it...

Btw am I not a he lol

[bugg]

Originally Posted by GibsonMarshallGuy

?? The OP is not saying how old it is, I mean is it or is it not a 2008 ??

Yeah, but they made 2008 LP Standards all the way up through 2011.

[DanL]

Originally Posted by alanamh

Btw am I not a he lol

Prepare to be stalked in 3, 2, 1...

[GibsonMarshallGuy]

Originally Posted by DanL

Maybe it was a poor analogy, but I think you missed my point. Granted, previous owners can cause wear and so forth, but if you buy a guitar brand new and keep it in its case all the time, who else can you blame? Life? Mother nature? Seems rather implausible.

If you kept your car garaged and out of the sun (like a guitar in the case is protected from wear and tear) then who would you blame for cracked leather? Obviously it was just a bad piece of hide that someone didn't check out properly. I understand where you're coming from, there is a little too much bickering about quality control on these forums (and obviously I'm not helping right now) but at the same time, Gibson needs to raise their standards a little bit. Let's be honest, what ever happened to marking guitars as "seconds"? I can assure you they don't throw them away, they just hope some novice doesn't notice and pays the same top dollar price for a sub-par instrument.

Gibsons are made by humans, so can they be perfect? Of course not. But for the for the money, they should be as close as possible. This goes back to my point earlier. While we can't expect perfection, most errors in craftsmanship are made by humans, so while it can be expected, the blame still falls onto an employee rather than "nature". I mean come on, we literally pay an extra thousand dollars for binding and inlay work, so why be complacent with cracking after a very short period of pampered ownership?

Granted, all this bickering isn't very promising as far as changing Henry's mind on quality control, but that doesn't mean we should admire it and chalk it up as "mojo". When Gibson starts making guitars as "seconds" again then we might lose some justification in our complaining, but I don't think anyone can argue with the fact that some things are released from that factory that should not be sold at full retail. I know I know, cracked binding doesn't qualify a guitar as a "second", but I only used this as evidence that, in general, quality control is not up to par at Gibson.

P.S. Judging by the top on your traditional, I have no idea why you're more of a tele man.

EDIT: After re-reading this thread I think I missed your whole argument. Are you saying that it's not a quality control thing but a matter of craftsmanship? as in, it isn't the guy who checked it at the end of the line but the guy who put the binding on himself? I just used quality control as a general term including all of those factors, sorry if I misunderstood your claim.

My tele sounds amazing, dude...

[GibsonMarshallGuy]

Originally Posted by alanamh

Btw am I not a he lol

[alanamh]

Originally Posted by GibsonMarshallGuy

My tele sounds amazing, dude...

So does mine! Teles rule!

[Oranjeaap]

Originally Posted by alanamh

Btw am I not a he lol

Better to keep that info to yourself, there are some really weird people on this forum

Anyway, looks like laquer cracking, not binding cracking. It's nothing one should worry about. But if it bothers you and Gibson offers to fix it...? Perhaps you should go for it.

[dspelman]

Originally Posted by GibsonMarshallGuy

How is it flawed workmanship? I mean it happened years after he owned it...

It's a couple of years. Not "years" (as in twenty or more). Binding has no business cracking (or shrinking) that quickly. I have a mid-70's (now *that's* "years") L5S that has impeccable binding. I have a '67 ES-335-12 that has excellent binding. OTOH, I have an '82 Ibanez AR300 that has some shrinking binding in the inner side of the upper cutaway. But that's 30 years old, not a couple of, and I didn't own it for the first 25 years or so (and it had already done its shrinking by the time I got it).

[GibsonMarshallGuy]

Originally Posted by dspelman

It's a couple of years. Not "years" (as in twenty or more). Binding has no business cracking (or shrinking) that quickly. I have a mid-70's (now *that's* "years") L5S that has impeccable binding. I have a '67 ES-335-12 that has excellent binding. OTOH, I have an '82 Ibanez AR300 that has some shrinking binding in the inner side of the upper cutaway. But that's 30 years old, not a couple of, and I didn't own it for the first 25 years or so (and it had already done its shrinking by the time I got it).

LMFAO!!!

Years is plural, as in more than one year! Please, keep the jokes coming, work is boring today! Lol, ****ing amazing group of people here!

[thexmadxtopxhatter]

It's from climate change... that's what makes woods, plastics, and lacquers expand and shrink. People often speed up this process with freezing, heating, etc. Also, you could have a 1,000 year old instrument, but if it hasn't undergone any major climate change there shouldn't be any serious natural checking in the lacquer. It really has more to do with climate change than age, its just that the older the instrument, the more climate change it has most likely undergone.

[GibsonMarshallGuy]

Originally Posted by thexmadxtopxhatter

It's from climate change... that's what makes woods, plastics, and lacquers expand and shrink. People often speed up this process with freezing, heating, etc. Also, you could have a 1,000 year old instrument, but if it hasn't undergone any major climate change there shouldn't be any serious natural checking in the lacquer. It really has more to do with climate change than age, its just that the older the instrument, the more climate change it has most likely undergone.

Thank you!!!!!

[onlypadog]

How is this discussion still going?

[Kolera]

Originally Posted by alanamh

Btw am I not a he lol

I'm all for mojo and all that, but if that was on a somewhat new guitar, I'd take it back. Glad Gibson's got you covered.

[alanamh]

Originally Posted by Kolera

I'm all for mojo and all that, but if that was on a somewhat new guitar, I'd take it back. Glad Gibson's got you covered.

You want photos? Ok....



Enjoy! Hahaha

[Hap Hazzard]

Originally Posted by DanL

Prepare to be stalked in 3, 2, 1...

[guitarnorm]

I'd say its a temperature thing. I'd also say that its some cool aging/relicing that you didn't have to pay some dipshit to do for you. Its a nice guitar and its natural cracking and wear, rock it. maybe even beat it up a little bit and it'll feel more like an old friend.

[cryptcrusher]

Originally Posted by GibsonMarshallGuy

I didn't say you did, I was writing to DanL...


That's funny shit though, so if the paint on your car started peeling after FOUR YEARS you'd be pissed?? At who?

I just love the "Gibson QC sucks" guys, because whenever they see dents, blemishes, or poor setups they go right away and blame "QC". Nevermind the fact that any of these issues could have begun at a warehouse or someone's home, but no it' Gibson QC. Give me a break, it's getting old.

Now, is Gibson perfect? I personally think not. Check out the BFG are crap thread. I mean, those are 2012 models, and they look in rough shape. I could see that being an issue at Gibson for sure... But like I said it's kind of crazy blaming "Gibson QC" for this issue, particularly when you all don't even know what has happened to it since it left the factory FOUR YEARS AGO!

It must be the cool thing to say "Gibson QC sucks". I should make T-shirts...

I agree...and right now I'm pretty chapped with Gibson, but GMG is right...not a QC issue here. Plastics are a tough area to qualify and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For example, the pic of the binding separating from the body would never fly at cryptcrusher central, but different strokes and all that

You have to decide what you are willing to accept...4 years in and you are probably attached to the guitar...sending it off might invite more problems than cracked bindings, but if you aren't happy then you should look at options and not just accept it...this isn't a '75 or a guitar with a faded or antiqued finish.