2012 Standard Demo / Comparison to 2008

csplayer089 · 04-30-2012, 04:18 PM

New vid from Rob Chapman and Lee Anderton from Anderton's Music is up.

Gibson Les Paul Shootout - The New 2012 Spec Gibson Les Paul Standard Vs 2008 Les Paul Standard - YouTube

tzd · 04-30-2012, 04:44 PM

Damn every time I see the new 2012 Standards, it makes it more difficult to tell myself that I don't really need one!

LesLuvva · 04-30-2012, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tzd

Damn every time I see the new 2012 Standards, it makes it more difficult to tell myself that I don't really need one!

They do look/sound great. But (and call me a homer b/c I own one) the 2008Standard still sounds pretty good too. While I like the 2012, for me it's just not worth the expense.

GibsonMarshallGuy · 05-01-2012, 03:16 AM

Looks good sounds good, I'll stick with my plain trad plus though...

lespaul01 · 05-01-2012, 03:35 AM

Tasty licks by both.

Backstage · 05-01-2012, 03:47 AM

Love the videos from Andertons

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lespaul01 · 05-01-2012, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Backstage

Love the videos from Andertons

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Great vids for sure.

axepilot · 05-01-2012, 08:33 AM

Cool video.

As a new 2012 owner, I can say that the new electronics are very cool and useful - not just gimmicks. Every coil split guitar I've owned or played had an audible decrease in volume when you split the coils. Not so with the new Standard. The volume and attack remain constant while the tone changes. I wonder how Gibson does this?

The blow switch is also a very cool feature. You can go from split coil / out of phase pretty stuff to full smash howl with just a pull of the switch.

I wish Gibson wouldn't refer to the setup as coil tap. There's a big difference between that and coil split, which is what this new setup is doing.

tzd · 05-01-2012, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by axepilot

I wish Gibson wouldn't refer to the setup as coil tap. There's a big difference between that and coil split, which is what this new setup is doing.

Is it not coil tapping that maintains the volume after the split in the new Standards?

axepilot · 05-01-2012, 08:54 AM

I'm not 100 percent sure, tzd. I'm convinced that they're splitting the coils, though.

Obsequio · 05-01-2012, 10:24 AM

I own them both and concur with both. They're so different and each so good in their own way. The 2012 is boatloads easier to play. It had to be the neck. On the other hand the 2008 force you to be a better player. There are advantages to both. As you can see the push/pulls demonstrate extensive tonal range. Sure I didn't want to spend another $2,200.00 bucks on a guitar, but it was worth it. I'll be sure to to enjoy them both for the next 50 years...

Lizzy4Life · 05-01-2012, 10:39 AM

Great video, but...
I don't know about these models.
First of all I've never been a fan of chambering, so that's a reason not to buy one. I don't like the feel of it nor the sound.
Second, BB Pro's are Gibson's worst pickups IMO. They have this ugly sound to them, not really like a PAF. 57's sound way better.
To go on: the neck profile: tried a 2008 std last year, it didn't feel right in my hands. It was like it was upside down, very awkward.
The frets felt like they were 'swollen'.
In general, there's only one Gibson LP I've ever played that I found good, that was a Trad. Gibson's quality is bad IMO.
So, not my cup of tea, I'll stick with my traditional, conservative Epi with SD 59s for quite some years I suppose. Maybe an R0 one day, but those are so expensive...

aymeric22 · 05-01-2012, 12:53 PM

I love the AAA table. I love the out of phase option. I like the coil tap, even if i would want to hear it with more gain.

In the vid, I do prefer the sound of the 2008 but the Blackstar amp is not the Fender Blues Jr... no need to compare 2 guitars if you don't use the same amp.

Murfdog · 05-01-2012, 02:41 PM

That layered rosewood board just kills the whole sound doesn't it?

It also opens up a whole new thread to beat into the ground......"what's the differene in tone between a one and two piece rosewood fretboard?"

Crotch · 05-01-2012, 03:10 PM

Thanks for posting the video. Makes the wait feel even longer for the Amber piece that is on its way.

GibsonMarshallGuy · 05-01-2012, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lizzy4Life

Great video, but...
I don't know about these models.
First of all I've never been a fan of chambering, so that's a reason not to buy one. I don't like the feel of it nor the sound.
Second, BB Pro's are Gibson's worst pickups IMO. They have this ugly sound to them, not really like a PAF. 57's sound way better.
To go on: the neck profile: tried a 2008 std last year, it didn't feel right in my hands. It was like it was upside down, very awkward.
The frets felt like they were 'swollen'.
In general, there's only one Gibson LP I've ever played that I found good, that was a Trad. Gibson's quality is bad IMO.
So, not my cup of tea, I'll stick with my traditional, conservative Epi with SD 59s for quite some years I suppose. Maybe an R0 one day, but those are so expensive...

Never thought I'd be defending the 2012 models since I don't like them myself, but there's some stuff you said that I got to address that irks me a bit.

First, none of the models in the video are chambered. The trad is wieght relieved, like they have been SINCE THE 80's, and the 2012 Standard is "modern wieght relieved". The modern wieght relief is bullshit IMO, BUT it's different from just carving a bigass hole in the middle of the guitar like they have been doing. I guess there is a bit more wood there now, and there is a more scientific method behind it.

Second, wtf do you "Gibson quality is bad", is that like the cool thing to say around here now days?? What exactly is BAD about Gibson quality?? Shit, as far as I'm concerned they still create the best looking/sounding guitars in the world. So, PLEASE elaborate and tell me what's so BAD about Gibson quality.

Lizzy4Life · 05-01-2012, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GibsonMarshallGuy

Never thought I'd be defending the 2012 models since I don't like them myself, but there's some stuff you said that I got to address that irks me a bit.

First, none of the models in the video are chambered. The trad is wieght relieved, like they have been SINCE THE 80's, and the 2012 Standard is "modern wieght relieved". The modern wieght relief is bullshit IMO, BUT it's different from just carving a bigass hole in the middle of the guitar like they have been doing. I guess there is a bit more wood there now, and there is a more scientific method behind it.

Second, wtf do you "Gibson quality is bad", is that like the cool thing to say around here now days?? What exactly is BAD about Gibson quality?? Shit, as far as I'm concerned they still create the best looking/sounding guitars in the world. So, PLEASE elaborate and tell me what's so BAD about Gibson quality.

Modern weight relief is almost the same as chambering. And why do these new models weigh not even a pound less than a good, light, solid Les Paul? Using cheap, heavy wood?

About the quality: only 1 Gibson LP has ever impressed me, a Trad GT. That one felt right, sounded great. All the rest were only mediocre, especially the Studio's, never liked the feel of them.

This is only my opinion, all of you guys can buy whatever you want, but these are not for me because of the reasons I mentioned above.

WinterOrb · 05-01-2012, 04:00 PM

I wish these were available when I bought my 08 Standard. I may have bought one of these instead.

GibsonMarshallGuy · 05-01-2012, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lizzy4Life

Modern weight relief is almost the same as chambering. And why do these new models weigh not even a pound less than a good, light, solid Les Paul? Using cheap, heavy wood?

About the quality: only 1 Gibson LP has ever impressed me, a Trad GT. That one felt right, sounded great. All the rest were only mediocre, especially the Studio's, never liked the feel of them.

This is only my opinion, all of you guys can buy whatever you want, but these are not for me because of the reasons I mentioned above.

Oh ok, so out of three LP's you ever played only one trad felt good, thus Gibson quality is bad. cool opinion....

Btw modern weight relief is not the same as clambering, I don't like it either but it's literally not the same...

Lizzy4Life · 05-01-2012, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GibsonMarshallGuy

Oh ok, so out of three LP's you ever played only one trad felt good, thus Gibson quality is bad. cool opinion....

Btw modern weight relief is not the same as clambering, I don't like it either but it's literally not the same...

Only three? I rarely leave a music store without trying a Les Paul...
Gibson is making you believe modern weight relief is completely different...which it's not really. Anyhow, I find that they should make LPs all solid again and use some lighter wood instead. Or does that cut their profits too much?

nagha · 05-01-2012, 04:56 PM

I don't know about you guys but I love my 2012 std.

WinterOrb · 05-01-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lizzy4Life

Gibson is making you believe modern weight relief is completely different...which it's not really.

I agree with this statement. It's Gibson playing the marketing game. If you stripped them down and had the exact same pickups in them they would probably sound very similar.

b3john · 05-01-2012, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lizzy4Life

Modern weight relief is almost the same as chambering.

I don't think so.

After comparing my 2008-series Standard with a 2012 Standard at a local Gibson dealer, I'd say modern weight relief seems more like an intelligent take on the Swiss cheese holes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lizzy4Life

And why do these new models weigh not even a pound less than a good, light, solid Les Paul? Using cheap, heavy wood?

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that's why these weigh only a pound less than the Traditionals (at best).

And I think we all know Gibson is saving their best body wood for the Historics (R9/R0).

JMB1984 · 05-01-2012, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lizzy4Life

Modern weight relief is almost the same as chambering.

And why do these new models weigh not even a pound less than a good, light, solid Les Paul? Using cheap, heavy wood?

Not true... MWR guitars are weighing in up to 9-9.5 lbs which is similar to Traditional Weight relief guitars ranging from 9-10.5 lbs (sometimes more)
Where as Chambered come in at 7-8 lbs. These new Standards are heavy feeling like the Traditional.

Also, don't complain about the quality of wood used in the Standard and say that it's inferior to the wood used for the Traditional when the Standard and the Traditional use the exact same wood.

Lizzy4Life · 05-01-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JMB1984

Not true... MWR guitars are weighing in up to 9-9.5 lbs which is similar to Traditional Weight relief guitars ranging from 9-10.5 lbs (sometime more)
Where as chambered come in at 7-8 lbs.

Also, don't complain about the quality of wood used in the Standard and say that it's inferior to the wood used for the Traditional when the Standard and the Traditional use the exact same wood.

Over 9lbs? Are they filling the chambers with concrete?
I'm not sure which type of wood my Epi is made of, but it only weighs 8.7lbs

JMB1984 · 05-01-2012, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lizzy4Life

Over 9lbs? Are they filling the chambers with concrete?
I'm not sure which type of wood my Epi is made of, but it only weighs 8.7lbs

No they are not taking out nearly as much wood as with Chambering. Hence, MWR is very similar to Traditional Weight Relief.

Lizzy4Life · 05-01-2012, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JMB1984

No they are not taking out nearly as much wood as with Chambering. Hence, MWR is very similar to Traditional Weight Relief.

To me, it looks quite the same. However, we need some good pics of the body with the routing done!

axepilot · 05-01-2012, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Lizzy4Life

To me, it looks quite the same. However, we need some good pics of the body with the routing done!

Gibson.com: Gibson Les Paul Standard

Not even close to chambering.

JMB1984 · 05-01-2012, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lizzy4Life

To me, it looks quite the same. However, we need some good pics of the body with the routing done!

Pictures of routing wont tell you how the guitar weighs and feels. The routing pictures are ugly for the Traditional, and ugly for the Standard. Period.

It's recommended that you try out the new Standard (like any other guitar) before bashing it with untrue comments in an online forum. Try out mulitple ones in fact.

Murfdog · 05-01-2012, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lizzy4Life

Modern weight relief is almost the same as chambering. And why do these new models weigh not even a pound less than a good, light, solid Les Paul? Using cheap, heavy wood?

About the quality: only 1 Gibson LP has ever impressed me, a Trad GT. That one felt right, sounded great. All the rest were only mediocre, especially the Studio's, never liked the feel of them.

This is only my opinion, all of you guys can buy whatever you want, but these are not for me because of the reasons I mentioned above.

Modern weight relief is quite different from chambering. Chambered guitars are gutted almost completely. The new method is closer to swiss cheese than chambering.
I've never played a bad Les Paul built within the past five years.. They are all very nice guitars. I'm even man enough to buy one sight unseen. I've played and owned MANY Les Pauls, and I've never played one and thought it was crap.

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tzd Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,023 Thanks: 3 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	Re: 2012 Standard Demo / Comparison to 2008 Damn every time I see the new 2012 Standards, it makes it more difficult to tell myself that I don't really need one! ElhazGuy, Kolera, mgenet and 2 others like this.

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axepilot Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Southern NJ Posts: 3,005 Thanks: 45 Thanked 60 Times in 11 Posts	Re: 2012 Standard Demo / Comparison to 2008 Cool video. As a new 2012 owner, I can say that the new electronics are very cool and useful - not just gimmicks. Every coil split guitar I've owned or played had an audible decrease in volume when you split the coils. Not so with the new Standard. The volume and attack remain constant while the tone changes. I wonder how Gibson does this? The blow switch is also a very cool feature. You can go from split coil / out of phase pretty stuff to full smash howl with just a pull of the switch. I wish Gibson wouldn't refer to the setup as coil tap. There's a big difference between that and coil split, which is what this new setup is doing.

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axepilot Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Southern NJ Posts: 3,005 Thanks: 45 Thanked 60 Times in 11 Posts	Re: 2012 Standard Demo / Comparison to 2008 I'm not 100 percent sure, tzd. I'm convinced that they're splitting the coils, though.

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Obsequio Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Blue Crab State Posts: 443 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 3 Posts	Re: 2012 Standard Demo / Comparison to 2008 I own them both and concur with both. They're so different and each so good in their own way. The 2012 is boatloads easier to play. It had to be the neck. On the other hand the 2008 force you to be a better player. There are advantages to both. As you can see the push/pulls demonstrate extensive tonal range. Sure I didn't want to spend another $2,200.00 bucks on a guitar, but it was worth it. I'll be sure to to enjoy them both for the next 50 years...

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Lizzy4Life Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Liedekerke, Belgium Posts: 398 Thanks: 5 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Re: 2012 Standard Demo / Comparison to 2008 Great video, but... I don't know about these models. First of all I've never been a fan of chambering, so that's a reason not to buy one. I don't like the feel of it nor the sound. Second, BB Pro's are Gibson's worst pickups IMO. They have this ugly sound to them, not really like a PAF. 57's sound way better. To go on: the neck profile: tried a 2008 std last year, it didn't feel right in my hands. It was like it was upside down, very awkward. The frets felt like they were 'swollen'. In general, there's only one Gibson LP I've ever played that I found good, that was a Trad. Gibson's quality is bad IMO. So, not my cup of tea, I'll stick with my traditional, conservative Epi with SD 59s for quite some years I suppose. Maybe an R0 one day, but those are so expensive... __________________ Guitars '07 Les Paul Standard ebony (Lizzy) '11 1961 50th Anniversary SG Special P-90 Outfit cherry (Missy) '10 Wilshire '66 Tremotone worn cherry (Amy) '04 Les Paul Jr SC black (Lyla) '09 Hummingbird heritage sunburst (Anne) All Epiphone Amp Marshall JCM 2000 DSL100 Les Pauls do 2 things: break your back and break your heart

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