long or short switch les paul studio

xxxWACKERxxx · 04-03-2012, 10:55 PM

I really need a good quality 3 way toggle switch!

Does anyone know if a long toggle switch would fit?
Any advantages to short vs long, as far as durability?
or
Does anyone know the best upgrade part available?

Im a heavy switching fool

Pinkie · 04-03-2012, 10:57 PM

Switchcraft short.
Should be whats it there if its a USA studio.

fairlanericky · 04-03-2012, 10:59 PM

They take the short switch because the cap is thinner than a Standard.

Ric

LuisPaul · 04-04-2012, 02:08 PM

Totally the short one, but I've come to realize that for some reazon, the long one seems of better quality. I installed a long in my studio faded, and it almost didn't fit, but the guitar sounds way better, and the switch is of better quality too.

River side · 04-04-2012, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LuisPaul

... I installed a long in my studio faded, and it almost didn't fit, but the guitar sounds way better...

Really?

Why do you suppose that is?

Kalamazuu · 04-04-2012, 04:06 PM

I've never heard of any variances between the two. But I've never had a long.

I have a short in my Epi, and I assume short in my Explorer, both work well. The one in the explorer is stiffer though.

LuisPaul · 04-04-2012, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by River side

Really?

Why do you suppose that is?

why is what?

Sirzach · 04-04-2012, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LuisPaul

why is what?

to be honest...

Change of switch from short to long does not make your guitar sound "way better".

Unless your previous switch was broken and no sound came out...then yes, it would sound 100x better.

River side · 04-04-2012, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirzach

to be honest...

Change of switch from short to long does not make your guitar sound "way better".

Unless your previous switch was broken and no sound came out...then yes, it would sound 100x better.

Perhaps he thinks it does make it sound better.

I'd like to hear why.

Perhaps it sounds "switchier" or the added mass increases sustain.

I've got to know.

Ansen · 04-05-2012, 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LuisPaul

Totally the short one, but I've come to realize that for some reazon, the long one seems of better quality. I installed a long in my studio faded, and it almost didn't fit, but the guitar sounds way better, and the switch is of better quality too.

Maybe it sounds airier and more articulated, because the lack of the backplate free the resonances and all the positive vibrations..

Quote:

Originally Posted by fairlanericky

They take the short switch because the cap is thinner than a Standard. Ric

Do you have values for the maplecap thickness of various models? I wasn't aware of it, always have thought, the mahagonyback of the Studio is less thicker than the Standards.

Hm..i really dont know the differences in thickness between a Standard, Custom and Studio...

greetz n'roll

DanL · 04-05-2012, 10:15 AM

I'm pretty sure they always use 1/4" maple cap, but the bodies/backs do vary in thickness. Customs tend to be a little thicker because of the back binding. Also, my Axcess model has a thinner body than a standard by about 1/4" I believe. Only noticeable if you hold them next to each other.

bdubbs · 04-05-2012, 11:40 AM

I heard that some studios had switchcraft switches and others did not. I believe mine did not, at least thats what i was told when i had it replaces after it had issues.

LuisPaul · 04-05-2012, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirzach

to be honest...

Change of switch from short to long does not make your guitar sound "way better".

Unless your previous switch was broken and no sound came out...then yes, it would sound 100x better.

Lol I never said that the sound was getting any better from changing from short to long, I said that the lomg one was of better quality, thats why it sounded better, besides its been known that some studios have some switch problems, so after the change of switch, the sound got clearer.

LuisPaul · 04-05-2012, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdubbs

I heard that some studios had switchcraft switches and others did not. I believe mine did not, at least thats what i was told when i had it replaces after it had issues.

Yes thats true, my studio didn't came with a switchcraft switch, it was something generic I believe,, thats why the quality difference that I mentioned.

AxeBuilder · 04-05-2012, 02:52 PM

Long, of course! I'm surprised you had to ask!

Pinkie · 04-05-2012, 05:01 PM

OMG now we are having a which switch is better sounding argument come on get real its a switch!

xxxWACKERxxx · 04-05-2012, 11:01 PM

Lol great sounds like the long ones last longer, just to simplify will a long switchcraft fit in my studio? :-)

Its hot in Florida these dayz :-)

LuisPaul · 04-06-2012, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxWACKERxxx

Lol great sounds like the long ones last longer, just to simplify will a long switchcraft fit in my studio? :-)

Its hot in Florida these dayz :-)

Well as I said, In my studio it Almost didnt fit, but it did. Probably the same thing will happen to you

Tone deaf · 04-06-2012, 01:32 PM

I think the switch in my Studio is going. I've got to open it up tonight and see what's going on. In the middle position, only the neck pup is active.

Flow Master · 04-11-2012, 09:00 AM

For what it's worth, I just called Gibson headquater and I was told that all the Les Pauls take the long switch. The short ones are for the SG and Semi hollow bodies. I'm just saying what I was told by them. Take it with a grain of salt.
G

Flow Master · 04-11-2012, 11:49 AM

I have a Gibson ES-333 that has the long Switchcraft toggle switch in it. I measured it and it will not fit in my Gibson Les Paul Studio Deluxe. It would be OH SO tight is at all. So I say just get the shorter version of the Switchcraft and be done. That;s what I'm going to do.
G

xxxWACKERxxx · 04-11-2012, 02:36 PM

The poll suggests that the short ones provide better durability, probably because the metal is less flimsy than a long one. If you take a short piece of metal vs long piece the longer one will be easier to bend. Its physics!

SLewis · 04-11-2012, 02:42 PM

In the Gibson Studio, use a short toggle switch. All other Gibson Les Paul's use long toggle switches.

.

xxxWACKERxxx · 04-11-2012, 03:03 PM

Just ordered a short one :-)

bdubbs · 04-11-2012, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LuisPaul

Yes thats true, my studio didn't came with a switchcraft switch, it was something generic I believe,, thats why the quality difference that I mentioned.

Exactly. Mine broke and I had it replaced with the long switch, like was just said I think the short ones are for SGs.

Lysol · 04-11-2012, 05:19 PM

A switch doesn't sound.Period!

Pinkie · 04-11-2012, 05:58 PM

+1

View Poll Results: which toggle switch provides best performance?
long	5	38.46%
short	8	61.54%
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04-03-2012, 10:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
xxxWACKERxxx Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 69 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	long or short switch les paul studio I really need a good quality 3 way toggle switch! Does anyone know if a long toggle switch would fit? Any advantages to short vs long, as far as durability? or Does anyone know the best upgrade part available? Im a heavy switching fool

04-03-2012, 10:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
Pinkie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,012 Thanks: 128 Thanked 32 Times in 11 Posts	Re: long or short switch les paul studio Switchcraft short. Should be whats it there if its a USA studio. Bing17, tazzboy and fairlanericky like this.

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fairlanericky Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Kent, Wa Posts: 1,492 Thanks: 13 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts	Re: long or short switch les paul studio They take the short switch because the cap is thinner than a Standard. Ric __________________ 84 Ebony Studio 12 White Blonde MJT Tele 12 Surf Green MJT Tele Line6 SpiderValve Mk II "shattered dreams, empty streets, runnin' from the law man"

04-04-2012, 02:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
LuisPaul Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Heaven Posts: 176 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: long or short switch les paul studio Totally the short one, but I've come to realize that for some reazon, the long one seems of better quality. I installed a long in my studio faded, and it almost didn't fit, but the guitar sounds way better, and the switch is of better quality too. onegoodtrick likes this.

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04-04-2012, 04:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
Kalamazuu Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 5,111 Thanks: 3 Thanked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Re: long or short switch les paul studio I've never heard of any variances between the two. But I've never had a long. I have a short in my Epi, and I assume short in my Explorer, both work well. The one in the explorer is stiffer though.

04-05-2012, 10:15 AM	#11 (permalink)
DanL Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 780 Thanks: 0 Thanked 12 Times in 6 Posts	Re: long or short switch les paul studio I'm pretty sure they always use 1/4" maple cap, but the bodies/backs do vary in thickness. Customs tend to be a little thicker because of the back binding. Also, my Axcess model has a thinner body than a standard by about 1/4" I believe. Only noticeable if you hold them next to each other. __________________ Danny Gator and The Gator Den

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bdubbs Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: MD Posts: 354 Thanks: 0 Thanked 17 Times in 2 Posts	Re: long or short switch les paul studio I heard that some studios had switchcraft switches and others did not. I believe mine did not, at least thats what i was told when i had it replaces after it had issues. __________________ Guitars 2004 Les Paul studio Alpine White 2011 Les Paul Traditional Plus Epiphone Masterbilt Acoustic Amps Marshall JVM 210H Blackstar HT-100 Blackstar HT-5 Combo Peavey Ultra 60 Head Marshall 1960a Cab Marshall MF280 Cab Check Out my Band! http://www.sin4sin.com

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AxeBuilder Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Northern California Posts: 1,909 Thanks: 91 Thanked 25 Times in 11 Posts	Re: long or short switch les paul studio Long, of course! I'm surprised you had to ask! onegoodtrick likes this. __________________ 2011 LP Custom Hot-Mod 1955 Black Beauty (BB1, BB2) 2011 LP Classic Custom Antique Natural (57 Classics) 2007 LP R9 Sunset Tea Burst Yamano (BB1, BB2) 2011 PK Custom S-Style (Duncan SSL-1s) 2010 Carvin Bolt Tremolo (Carvin AP11s) 2005 Brian Moore iGuitar i81.13 Emerald Green (iMs + RMC Piezo) 1976 Ibanez Les Paul 2351AV Antique Violin (Super 70s) 1969 Ovation Balladeer 1111-4 Natural Marshall JVM205, Class 5, JTM-1, JMP-1, JCM-1, DSL-1 Egnater Tweaker 15 - 112 cab Vox AC4TVH - V112TV cab

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Pinkie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,012 Thanks: 128 Thanked 32 Times in 11 Posts	Re: long or short switch les paul studio OMG now we are having a which switch is better sounding argument come on get real its a switch! Deftone, axepilot, blues_n_cues and 3 others like this.

04-05-2012, 11:01 PM	#17 (permalink)
xxxWACKERxxx Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 69 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: long or short switch les paul studio Lol great sounds like the long ones last longer, just to simplify will a long switchcraft fit in my studio? :-) Its hot in Florida these dayz :-)

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Tone deaf Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: In a van down by the river Posts: 3,801 Thanks: 2 Thanked 27 Times in 5 Posts	Re: long or short switch les paul studio I think the switch in my Studio is going. I've got to open it up tonight and see what's going on. In the middle position, only the neck pup is active. __________________ "I have always been baffled by the depravity of some and the stupidity of others." Tone Deaf "If opinions are like a**holes, you should be able to smell me from a mile away." Tone Deaf "There are two sides to every story. I am only interested in the one that makes me feel better." Tone Deaf

04-11-2012, 09:00 AM	#20 (permalink)
Flow Master Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: long or short switch les paul studio For what it's worth, I just called Gibson headquater and I was told that all the Les Pauls take the long switch. The short ones are for the SG and Semi hollow bodies. I'm just saying what I was told by them. Take it with a grain of salt. G

04-11-2012, 11:49 AM	#21 (permalink)
Flow Master Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: long or short switch les paul studio I have a Gibson ES-333 that has the long Switchcraft toggle switch in it. I measured it and it will not fit in my Gibson Les Paul Studio Deluxe. It would be OH SO tight is at all. So I say just get the shorter version of the Switchcraft and be done. That;s what I'm going to do. G

04-11-2012, 02:36 PM	#22 (permalink)
xxxWACKERxxx Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 69 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: long or short switch les paul studio The poll suggests that the short ones provide better durability, probably because the metal is less flimsy than a long one. If you take a short piece of metal vs long piece the longer one will be easier to bend. Its physics!

04-11-2012, 02:42 PM	#23 (permalink)
SLewis Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Elizabeth City, NC Posts: 1,261 Thanks: 36 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: long or short switch les paul studio In the Gibson Studio, use a short toggle switch. All other Gibson Les Paul's use long toggle switches. . __________________

04-11-2012, 03:03 PM	#24 (permalink)
xxxWACKERxxx Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 69 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: long or short switch les paul studio Just ordered a short one :-)

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Lysol Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,842 Thanks: 12 Thanked 6 Times in 1 Post	Re: long or short switch les paul studio A switch doesn't sound.Period! __________________

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