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Unread 11-30-2011, 11:49 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Re: Ladies and Gentleman... Here it is, the all new Richlite Fretboard!!!

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I posted this elsewhere, here's my thought on the subject...I tend not to be too picky about fretboards and all that, and I understand that Hank is in a bit of a bind with his fretboard materials right about now, it just seems like a chip-board fret board is a little out of line with "Gibson's standard of excellence". I'm not doubting that this Richlite makes a fine fingerboard, in fact I'm pretty sure I've got one on my (mexi)Martin and I have no complaints, but when you're talking about the big three (USA Gibson, Fender, and Martin) I feel like there's a base expectation that a guitar will be manufactured with traditional materials (i.e. solid pieces of wood) in a familiar way. I don't dispute for a second that it's my dumb, idealistic consumer stance informing my opinion, it's just the first thought I had when reading the description.
Very well put. That is EXACTLY how I feel about it. I've owned a Gibson since 1961. (well, except for 6 years I had an Epiphone Sheraton instead, but I'm back )
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I don't think I get it. Isn't there some other kind of wood that can be used for fingerboards? Even if you had to do something to it to make it hard enough (I guess that's the issue?), at least you'd have a wood fretboard, even if it was soaked in hardener or whatever.

I've always trusted Gibson, but this Richlite is asking for an awful lot of trust!
I don't pretend to know the real reasons why Martin is using Richlite, but I can vouch that it makes a nice fret board. A damned nice fret board. Gibson's not exactly out on the bleeding edge.
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Re: Ladies and Gentleman... Here it is, the all new Richlite Fretboard!!!

I guess a Gibson doesn't have to have a Rosewood or Ebony Fingerboard. As long as it works, right?

But then I suppose a Gibson doesn't have to be a LP Standard, Custom, or Traditional either? A studio would be cheaper, and sound almost indistinguishable.

There again, why not buy an Epi? looks the same at a distance, sounds similar.....


Hell, why buy a Gibson guitar at all? any old guitar would probably sound the same to the audience!

Are you following me? it's a case of "the thin end of the wedge"
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Richlite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Richlite is a dense material made from partially recycled paper and phenolic resin. Phenolic resin is made of formeldahyde and phenol. Individually, these are potent chemicals, but create a harmless, inert substance when combined. The paper is soaked in phenolic resin, then molded and baked into net shape in a heated form or press.

The paper used by Richlite is certified by the Forest Stewardship Council (FSC), a global non-profit organization devoted to encouraging and monitoring responsible management of the world's forests. This adds to the sustainability of Richlite, as it comes from readily renewable wood resources, managed in a way that allows for growth to exceed harvest by 47% in North America.

Richlite is also certified for indoor use in residential, school and institutional environments by GREENGUARD Environmental Institute and under NSF Standard 51.

Originally distributed as a commercial kitchen surface in the 1950s, it has recently been adapted for use in skateboard parks (e.g., "Skatelite"), as well as various other applications, such as residential counters, fiberglass cores and limited architectural applications. Richlite is an alternative to Corian and granite counter tops.

So wait if Richlite is also an alternative to Corian , in essence they could incorporate the nut into the fretboard making it one peace

that would be just....well uhm..."meh" ?
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Re: Ladies and Gentleman... Here it is, the all new Richlite Fretboard!!!

I don't mind the fact that it is Richlite or whatever. The problem I have is putting Richlite on a $1000+ guitar. That is a shame. Richlite would have been a great choice on a $800 version of the Midtown Custom, but not a $1500 guitar.
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I don't mind the fact that it is Richlite or whatever. The problem I have is putting Richlite on a $1000+ guitar. That is a shame. Richlite would have been a great choice on a $800 version of the Midtown Custom, but not a $1500 guitar.
Putting ebony on a midtown custom would probably make it a 2100 dollar guitar .Maybe a little close to other guitars in price point.Like the saying goes"dont knock it until you try it." Its a guitar, not diningroom furniture.
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Putting ebony on a midtown custom would probably make it a 2100 dollar guitar .Maybe a little close to other guitars in price point.Like the saying goes"dont knock it until you try it." Its a guitar, not diningroom furniture.
How in hell would putting a $30 (retail) fretboard on it make it go for $600 more?

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Ah , but when you get your Ebony confiscated by the feds it changes everything.
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Hey, if McDonalds can make chicken sandwiches that way why can't Gibson do the same with fret boards? After all, parts is parts.


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Man, that Richlite sounds like Shitlite!! I could hear the difference right away!!

(should I put that in purple for anyone?)
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I don't disagree with your position. But I don't believe Henry's "in a bind" at all, except for the one he put himself in by being late to the party.

He thinks you'll (the generic, collective "you") buy a guitar made with alternative materials for the same price out of sympathy, whereas Martin knows you're not going to pay as much for it.

Can we talk Stratobond now? That's some cool shit. Holds my roof up.

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Does sound resonate through garbage??
haha... will stick to my ebony and rosewood.
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Re: Ladies and Gentleman... Here it is, the all new Richlite Fretboard!!!

Thank you sir, may I have another?

I like mine so much I bought a second one. The first will be kicked over to my niece.

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I've worked with this stuff in an industrial environment.

The "pro's" I see: Its temperature and humidity stable. (hell, its EVERYTHING stable) It will never need to be oiled. It won't ever wear out, get finger grooves, etc. It can be produced with very little waste, and quickly.

The "con's" It doesn't look like wood. Some poor luthier is going to wear out a saw the first time he tries to slot it for frets.
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Hell, why buy a Gibson guitar at all? any old guitar would probably sound the same to the audience!

Are you following me? it's a case of "the thin end of the wedge"
Here's the rub.

Gibsons are damn expensive, particularly if you're buying from outside the US. With these changes, I'd start to consider MIJ or Korean to get bang for my buck. It's not about how they play - when I spend that much on a guitar I'm buying tradition and peace of mind (about resale value and ease of refretting for starters).

I notice the model I bought recently has kept the rosewood but jumped in retail prices by a significant chunk, and now sells secondhand for practically what I paid for it new. An indication of the value the market puts on these changes?

Anyway, this feels like a price-hike across the board, and as though the ability to buy a studio model that is precisely as good as a more expensive model (in terms of playability) is being taken away.
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Richlite is a dense material made from partially recycled paper and phenolic resin. Phenolic resin is made of formeldahyde and phenol. Individually, these are potent chemicals, but create a harmless, inert substance when combined. The paper is soaked in phenolic resin, then molded and baked into net shape in a heated form or press.
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Formaldehyde, a colorless, pungent-smelling gas, can cause watery eyes, burning sensations in the eyes and throat, nausea, and difficulty in breathing in some humans exposed at elevated levels (above 0.1 parts per million). High concentrations may trigger attacks in people with asthma. There is evidence that some people can develop a sensitivity to formaldehyde. It has also been shown to cause cancer in animals and may cause cancer in humans. Health effects include eye, nose, and throat irritation; wheezing and coughing; fatigue; skin rash; severe allergic reactions. May cause cancer. May also cause other effects listed under "organic gases."

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Re: Ladies and Gentleman... Here it is, the all new Richlite Fretboard!!!

IMO, so long as the Historic range stays using Rosewood or Ebony I really don't see the issue with using the different materials on the other models. Heck, Gibson (and every other guitar manufacturer in the world) have already changed stuff like the material the stop tailpiece and bridge are made of, maple necks, back to mahogany necks, different wiring, different pickups. It's the current MODERN LP they're making - they should be using whatever is appropriate for the market and the environment today. Just like everyone else.

Besides, that Stratabond Martin neck looks way cool
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These will only be problems for those manufacturing the boards in the first place, and then only if proper precautions are not taken.

Mind you, I'm not really convinced when they try to pass this production method off as being environmentally friendly.

I'd be more worried about reports that if it ever needs refretting you might need to replace the whole board as a single-piece, costing up to ten-times more than refretting a fretboard made of wood.
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It sounds and looks far better than the baked maple in my opinion. I don't care what it is made from as some of the best sounding cellos and violins are made from Carbon fiber.

Historical corksniffers will disagree, naturally.

If Gibson uses richlite on some more of their guitars, it wont bother me at all.

Many people don't like Aluminum guitars but they sound great too.

Anyways, Gibson will get its wood sorted as it's not going to let the company die because of it. If Fretboards need to be partly finished in India, they will do it to save the company.
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I think perhaps maybe that my recently purchased new Traditional, made of real wood might have went up in value slightly because of this.
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Has anybody noticed how much of a Les Paul's fretboard, the part that reflects the sound directly under the strings, is inlay?
Big ol, trapeziods or even larger block inlays? Anyone ever calculate the percentage of the surface area that is involved? This doesnt seem to bother anyone, that its pearl or acrylic plastic reflecting tone, rather than wood. Just an observation.
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I wonder if anyonone here who is bashing richlite has actually tried it.
It might even feel and sound BETTER than rosewood or ebony.
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Re: Ladies and Gentleman... Here it is, the all new Richlite Fretboard!!!

I'm still looking for a direct reference to a Les Paul, three pages in. The OP's link is to a '335' type guitar. And this is the 'Gibson Les Pauls' section of the forum.

Maybe it's just me, a grumpy old bastard...
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WTF, this really tears it. My god, I could accept baked maple, but Richlite? Are you ****ing kidding me? This is an insult.

The Chinese counterfeits have better fretboards! time to write Gibson, en mass!

When you shell out tons of cash for Gibson you expect high quality craftsmanship and high quality materials. Richlite is not a high quality material, yes it's used on Cellos an Violins, cheap ones.

Frankly this is bullshit of the highest order.
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Yuck, garbage. Have to draw the line somewhere.
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Re: Ladies and Gentleman... Here it is, the all new Richlite Fretboard!!!

As of yet it's only on cheap models, it seems to be a viable fretboard material since it sounds nice and it will hold forever.
But the main reason I like all the new fretboard materials is the entertainment. This is hilarious. People throwing hizzyfits and loudly declare that this will kill Gibson and that Henry is the devil himself. Between this and the Norlin revolution, I never have a boring moment at work
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I posted this below months ago.....And I had users call me a hater and I was full of crap......

I talked to a source that deals with Gibson. The word is baked maple is the future on the lower models. Gibson Custom and the Standards will have ebony & rosewood. Anything models lower than that is baked maple and ect.
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