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Unread 11-14-2011, 10:17 PM   #121 (permalink)
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Re: Who cranks their amp anymore

At home I'll wind it up for a bit of fun and the kids love it because they can feel it resonate in their stomachs - just like the first time at a big rock concert (remember that feeling?).

Sound/tone wise I like my blonde bassman at 4-7 through a 4*12 but will happily play it on 2 at home and still sound good. On the other hand I have other 100W amps that I like at around 8 or 9 when it's all getting hot and you can smell the tolex cooking.

In one of my old bands we would practice at around 7-8 on JCM800 and a DSL2000, that was where we found the sound we liked and the drummer was a hard hitter, though agree the volume was on the high side. It was a trade-off but the sound engineer actually really liked the sound we were getting.
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Unread 11-15-2011, 05:53 AM   #122 (permalink)
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Funny you should post this as I had a conversation about this with a hearing specialist earlier today. For a while now I have been having some hearing difficulty, particularly with a sound that is somewhat akin to how a blown speaker sounds. This is particularly bad when listening to anything at mid to high volume and, sometimes, when I am speaking and there is no loud sound around me. Turns out I have noise induced hearing loss that they cannot do anything for and that will likely get worse as the years go by. Looks like I am going to have to stick to low wattage amps or sell my Les Paul, by a high end Taylor or Martin to replace it, and go all acoustic.
Sorry to hear this.

I have a good few friends who now have tinnitus, one so badly that it leads to difficulty sleeping. These guys are all in their thirties, so it's not as though it takes a whole life-time of accumulated damage for the effects to become noticable.

Everyone thinks they're indistructible when they're young. Younger players should be warned so that they can make up their own minds whether the consequences are worth it.

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It aint loud unless your nose is bleeding bro.....
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The last concert my wife and I went to was back in the early 90's I think. It was Iron Maiden and we left after 10 minutes. You couldn't hear nothing except a big roar!!
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That was Aerosmith in 1977 for me. My ears rang for a solid 5 days after that show, I think they did "Rocks". You couldn't even tell what song they were playing at all until you heard like that one key guitar note or something.
thats too F'in loud
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Of course I do, funny you ask.





But then again, my tube amp is a 1-watter and it fits on a bookself, so...








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At home I'll wind it up for a bit of fun and the kids love it because they can feel it resonate in their stomachs...
...but the sound doesn't reach their ears, right?

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thats too F'in loud
That showed sucked big time. I had seen Aerosmith about 15 times up to then, but Joe Perry was pissed off about something and faced his amps the whole night. Never looked at the crowd once. They started out loud and I swear they got louder as it went on? My ears hurt so bad after that I swore I would never see them again and still haven't.
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At 51 I find I use the phrases, "What?", "Come again?", "Huh?", and "I'm sorry" too much already. I am more cautious about sound levels than I have ever been.
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At 51 I find I use the phrases, "What?", "Come again?", "Huh?", and "I'm sorry" too much already. I am more cautious about sound levels than I have ever been.
I used to make fun of my dad for cupping his ear to hear the TV better or for always saying 'what' or 'huh' when I spoke to him. Not so funny anymore.
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At home, I can put my Plexi on 8 and the power brake about half. And that is with the cab blasting into the back of my sofa. Unattenuated, it is ungodly loud. I still use earplugs at loud volumes. I learned at an early age to protect my hearing. Even when I felt like a
nerd wearing ear plugs with my buddies at concerts.
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...but the sound doesn't reach their ears, right?

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Anything below 100Hz. I figured they don't listen to their parents so they're already deaf.

LOL, no. I play a quick couple of riffs when they're in the next room but get them to stick their hands over the ears. They watch for a couple of seconds and then run away. We have timber floor boards so plenty of resonance across the house.
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At home, I can put my Plexi on 8 and the power brake about half. And that is with the cab blasting into the back of my sofa. Unattenuated, it is ungodly loud. I still use earplugs at loud volumes. I learned at an early age to protect my hearing. Even when I felt like a
nerd wearing ear plugs with my buddies at concerts.
I totally feel ya. I feel like a dork when the concert begins and I pop in my ear plugs, but I have few friends that are audiologists so I've heard all about the dangers. They actually explained to me that with good plugs (the ones that you can get custom made to exactly fit your ear) you can actually hear the concert better, which seems to be true.

Crazy thing about hearing loss is, you don't have to be standing in front of a stack to damage it. You can be at a loud restaurant where you have to yell to converse with each other and you're actually doing damage.

That said, I probably play louder than I should when I practice or record, but any time I go rehearse I ALWAYS wear plugs. I have a Marshall Slash JCM that sounds awesome cranked and I just love the feeling the sound hitting you. Sounds just fine with the plugs in too. =)
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There is no way you can "dime" a 50 or 100w amp on the lead channel and be able to physically be in the same room with it. It has nothing to do with hearing, it has to do with absolutely uncontrollable feedback. Furthermore, if feedback wasnt an issue, youd just get mud as you would be causing the power supply to slump causing the bad kind of distortion.

"Cranking" an amp on the other hand, fine, Ill accept that term. I do it regularly. At home though, I do it for a few seconds at a time only. Just enough to go "ooooh yeeah", and then its back to bedroom noodling volumes. I have on occasion cranked it at home for about 10 minutes, but luckily, I havent pissed off any neighbors yet.
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MY JCM800 gets cranked all the time. yes,i've "dimed" it but 7 seems to be the sweet spot. normally in the house it's around 3 master w/ the pre on 6-8.
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Nothing sounds like an amp pushed to distortion. Just make sure you protect your ears. Tinnitus is a bitch.

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At home, I can put my Plexi on 8 and the power brake about half. And that is with the cab blasting into the back of my sofa. Unattenuated, it is ungodly loud. I still use earplugs at loud volumes. I learned at an early age to protect my hearing. Even when I felt like a
nerd wearing ear plugs with my buddies at concerts.
I wore ear plugs at concerts and when gigging when I was younger. Although I did develop tinnitus anyway, I thankfully have no hearing loss. If it gets really quiet the ringing in my ears will drown out a clock tick which I can hear if I focus on it for a few seconds. But then the rings will take over. I actually thought that I could hear myself better while gigging with plugs than without. Cymbals at ear levels are a prime cultprit too.

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The other night I experimented with my mesa somewhat, by reversing my channel master and the 'master/solo' knob setting. Got a better tone but my god that shit was too loud to be in the same room.

In the past I'd run the individual channel vols in the 2-3o'clock range, and the overall master/solo ones 8-9 o'clock. Swapped them somewhat, channel vol at 9 o'clock and the master at even 12 1 o'clock, and it was insanely loud. Well expected from a triple rec.
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Here's an appropriate article from the news today;

Vitals - Can you hear me now? 1 in 5 in U.S. suffers hearing loss
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There is no way you can "dime" a 50 or 100w amp on the lead channel and be able to physically be in the same room with it. It has nothing to do with hearing, it has to do with absolutely uncontrollable feedback. Furthermore, if feedback wasnt an issue, youd just get mud as you would be causing the power supply to slump causing the bad kind of distortion.

"Cranking" an amp on the other hand, fine, Ill accept that term. I do it regularly. At home though, I do it for a few seconds at a time only. Just enough to go "ooooh yeeah", and then its back to bedroom noodling volumes. I have on occasion cranked it at home for about 10 minutes, but luckily, I havent pissed off any neighbors yet.

25 foot guitar cables take care of that issue .





By the way River, I have your decibel readings in hand. I was able to get a hold of my buddy's dad's decibel reader (not too sure how accurate is was though). One reading was taken with a 2x12, the other with a 4x12. I played the amp dimed on channel 3 (highest gain).


I will preface this though by saying that I do NOT always "dime" my amp. This is something I do on every couple of months or so, and when I do, I wear earplugs. Hell, I almost always earplugs when I'm not playing at bedroom volumes.


They read as follows:


2x12 from 6 feet away, 1 foot off of the floor, pointing straight at the cab (and me in the other room ) --- 123dB

4x12 from 6 feet away, 1 foot off of the floor, pointing straight at the cab (also me in the other room) --- 125dB







Edit: The amp I used was my beloved beast; my 90 watt Mesa Boogie Mark V.
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These days, I only crank my staxx up halfway at the most since they're 100 watters.
Even then, it's only when I'm playin' in my metal band. I know that we're blastin' close to 100 dbs at LEAST.
Having four 4x12 cabs spread across the stage makes it easier for sound distribution....I don't have to crank my rigg to hear it comfortably.
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Two words - why am I wasting them here? - Ear Plugs!!!
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Funny you should post this as I had a conversation about this with a hearing specialist earlier today. For a while now I have been having some hearing difficulty, particularly with a sound that is somewhat akin to how a blown speaker sounds. This is particularly bad when listening to anything at mid to high volume and, sometimes, when I am speaking and there is no loud sound around me. Turns out I have noise induced hearing loss that they cannot do anything for and that will likely get worse as the years go by. Looks like I am going to have to stick to low wattage amps or sell my Les Paul, by a high end Taylor or Martin to replace it, and go all acoustic.
Dude, that's rough. I hope you can keep your electric side happening. by riding the volume on your amp, you should be able to do so. I mean, Townshend does so.
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Two words - why am I wasting them here? - Ear Plugs!!!

2 more words for ya....."Green Horn".
You've obviously Never played a large live gig onstage, eh?
If so, you'd know that earplugs can mess with your stage monitoring mix.
Bitchin' 6th post for ya,though.
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