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Unread 07-02-2011, 11:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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what dose plecked or pleck mean?

I know, I'm a dumb@%# but I'm still learning guitar slang. Thanks.
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Unread 07-02-2011, 11:30 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: what dose plecked or pleck mean?

PLEK / A+D Gitarrentechnologie GmbH - Welcome to plek
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Got it. Thanks Helltone.
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Re: what dose plecked or pleck mean?

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Re: what dose plecked or pleck mean?

and if you believe all that...
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Re: what dose plecked or pleck mean?

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and if you believe all that...
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Re: what dose plecked or pleck mean?

That really seems like a cool contraption,,even the best fret guys out there can`t get it as close as that could,, but is it REALLY THAT critical ? They didn`t have the Plek machine 30 years ago and guitars were set up up buzz free and played smooth as butter.
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ok, it kills the humour a little bit when you have to explain jokes, but being a fairly regular user of this forum i know that there are approximately several thousand other users who cant wait to tell us how gibsons always have badly cut nuts, poorly dressed frets etc etc etc, so either you believe in PLEK and its 1/100th of a mm accuracy... or you dont.
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That really seems like a cool contraption,,even the best fret guys out there can`t get it as close as that could,, but is it REALLY THAT critical ? They didn`t have the Plek machine 30 years ago and guitars were set up up buzz free and played smooth as butter.
i guess it is easier to train someone to load a guitar in the machine and press the right button than to train them to dress frets. i would also guess the required result is acheived much quicker too, which seeing as gibson knock out several hundred guitars per day means that time is very valuable.
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Re: what dose plecked or pleck mean?

sorry, but i dont think they do this to every guitar. it would slow down production like a mofo

not to mention when i listen to that thing cutting, sounds like a lot of metal is getting shaved off the fret. that isnt normal is it?


i would still rather have human hands setting my stuff up. nothing like soul to know what music should osund like
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Re: what dose plecked or pleck mean?

i believe that all gibson usa nuts are cut on it now but not all frets are dressed on it although others might know more than me.
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Re: what dose plecked or pleck mean?

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i believe that all gibson usa nuts are cut on it now but not all frets are dressed on it although others might know more than me.
Studios aren't...not sure about every other model.
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Re: what dose plecked or pleck mean?

I'm pretty sure all Traditionals are, they come with the plek sticker on the bridge pickup.
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Re: what dose plecked or pleck mean?

According to Gibson, all USA guitars get a Plek job. I don't know when that started, but that's what they say.

My brand new Melody Maker V looks and feels like it has been (I had an Epi done by an independent luthier back in '07). The nut slots look relatively shallow, but work "perfectly". I can set the action on the deck without buzzing. The frets are smooth and level, and also perfect from a player's viewpoint (I haven't checked them with luthier's tools - no need). I'd prefer the frets not to be as tall as they are, but that's the wire, not the Plek.
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According to Gibson, all USA guitars get a Plek job. I don't know when that started, but that's what they say.

My brand new Melody Maker V looks and feels like it has been (I had an Epi done by an independent luthier back in '07). The nut slots look relatively shallow, but work "perfectly". I can set the action on the deck without buzzing. The frets are smooth and level, and also perfect from a player's viewpoint (I haven't checked them with luthier's tools - no need). I'd prefer the frets not to be as tall as they are, but that's the wire, not the Plek.
I picked up Bonamassa LP Studio yesterday. It came with the action set a little high however it is as you just described it.
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Re: what dose plecked or pleck mean?

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ok, it kills the humour a little bit when you have to explain jokes, but being a fairly regular user of this forum i know that there are approximately several thousand other users who cant wait to tell us how gibsons always have badly cut nuts, poorly dressed frets etc etc etc, so either you believe in PLEK and its 1/100th of a mm accuracy... or you dont.
It's okay.... I got it... And it IS pretty funny!
My new LP had the worst factory setup of any guitar I can remember.... And I've had LOTS (17 at the moment). Jacksons, Ibanez's, Fenders, even an Oscar Schmidt ($149) were far superior!

The Plek system is just a way for Gibson to save costs on labor... Like Home Depot's self-checkout, and SouthWest Airlines automated check-in...

None of which are good as when humans do it, assuming the humans give a damn!
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None of which are good as when humans do it, assuming the humans give a damn!
A top-drawer luthier/tech can outdo himself with a Plek, in terms of both speed and accuracy. That's what the top-drawer ones that have a Plek say, anyway, and I have more than a few reasons to believe them. The golden rule "never give a gun to ducks", however, applies.

Whoever ran the machine on my V did a damned fine job.
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Re: what dose plecked or pleck mean?

I remember someone saying Gibson's problem was they didn't set the machine up based on every guitar, they simply had sort of a standard setting they put the machine on, and because of that you had some really wacky bridge and tailpiece positioning.

I'd rather have a proper luthier do work on my guitar any day of the week (especially considering some of the wait times I've heard about PLEK'ing).
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I'd rather have a proper luthier do work on my guitar any day of the week (especially considering some of the wait times I've heard about PLEK'ing).
I'm not trying to twist your arm, by any means. But please understand that most of the Plek operations in the world ARE run by "proper luthiers". Some of the best in the world. And one of the reasons they are devoted to Plek is that it allows them to CUT their backlog.

As coincidence would have it, I met a proper luthier just this afternoon. Not a tech, a custom guitar builder who is opening shop right here in my little town. So he'll likely get to work on my R8, rather than my shipping it off to Baltimore. Prior to that, my choices were the local tech - a real craftsman with a THREE MONTH backlog (if you're lucky and don't annoy him), or a three week round trip to Baltimore for a Plek by a nationally-known luthier.
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