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Orville or Gibson?

Sorry if this question's been asked before, I was wondering how an Orville made Les Paul would compare to a Gibson made Les Paul.

I'm in the market for a Les Paul I can go out and gig with, and the lower price tag of the Orvilles certainly make them seem appealing. They also look rather good as well.

So if anyone could offer any thoughts or insights on the quality of Orvilles, I'd really appreciate it.


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Unread 06-24-2011, 11:36 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Orville or Gibson?

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Sorry if this question's been asked before, I was wondering how an Orville made Les Paul would compare to a Gibson made Les Paul.

I'm in the market for a Les Paul I can go out and gig with, and the lower price tag of the Orvilles certainly make them seem appealing. They also look rather good as well.

So if anyone could offer any thoughts or insights on the quality of Orvilles, I'd really appreciate it.


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I think its all depend on which model of Gibson and Orville you are comparing to makes a big difference. I think finding Orville would be bit limited to Gibson, but with Orville indeed you get a nice quality guitar for less than Gibson for sure.
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Re: Orville or Gibson?

The best bang for the buck is not Orville but an Orville By Gibson(ObG) 59R, 57C or 57B reissue from years 92-95. All are reissues and can be had for about half the price of a Gibson LP Std. I have had 2 so far and they are just amazing guitars. They come with Gibson 57 Classics already installed.

The K serial numbered Orvilles were made to a lesser quality than the regular Orville's or ObG's. G series Orvilles and ObG's are better quality but can be hit and miss although some reissues were made in that Terada factory. My reccomended Orville would be a FujiGen made(no letter in serial no) guitar, although you would want to change pups, pots and caps.

There is a book to be written about these....PM me if you have a link to some guitars you're looking at and I can give you the rundown on each one.
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The best bang for the buck is not Orville but an Orville By Gibson(ObG) 59R, 57C or 57B reissue from years 92-95. All are reissues and can be had for about half the price of a Gibson LP Std. I have had 2 so far and they are just amazing guitars. They come with Gibson 57 Classics already installed.

The K serial numbered Orvilles were made to a lesser quality than the regular Orville's or ObG's. G series Orvilles and ObG's are better quality but can be hit and miss although some reissues were made in that Terada factory. My reccomended Orville would be a FujiGen made(no letter in serial no) guitar, although you would want to change pups, pots and caps.

There is a book to be written about these....PM me if you have a link to some guitars you're looking at and I can give you the rundown on each one.

Thanks! That was very informative, and this really cleans things up for me.
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Re: Orville or Gibson?

How do the Orvilles compare to an Epiphone Eltist Les Paul? I have recently bought one, and liked it so much that I immediately sold my poor sounding, poor playing, and over-priced Gibson Les Paul studio. That makes two Epis I have that are superior in every way to A Gibson Les Paul Studio (1960v3 Lp, and Elitist Standard). So, if they are "better" than either of those guiatrs, I want one.
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Re: Orville or Gibson?

Why not gig your gibson? Thats kinda the point of a guitar... playing it?
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How do the Orvilles compare to an Epiphone Eltist Les Paul? I have recently bought one, and liked it so much that I immediately sold my poor sounding, poor playing, and over-priced Gibson Les Paul studio. That makes two Epis I have that are superior in every way to A Gibson Les Paul Studio (1960v3 Lp, and Elitist Standard). So, if they are "better" than either of those guiatrs, I want one.
I have never had an Epi Elitest but I have heard that the Japanese ones produced in the FujiGen factory will be about par with the ObG reissues. After 1998 Orville's were replaced/renamed Epiphone and produced from FujiGen. I'm not sure how long they were produced there. They will have the open book headstock though.
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Why not gig your gibson? Thats kinda the point of a guitar... playing it?
It'd be a great guitar to gig, but it has a lot of sentimental value concerning the person who got it for... Also, it was my first Gibson. So if I got even the slightest scratch on it, I'd never forgive myself!

It sounds a bit stupid... But I really want to preserve that guitar for when I'm old and grey.
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Re: Orville or Gibson?

I have a Tokai Reborn Old Standard (LS50) and an Epi Elitist Custom. They are both about even in playability, but stock sound, to me, the Tokai wins. The Epi does have a SWEET neck though. I had a Gibson Les Paul Goddess, and got rid of it very quickly to fund my Tokai. Much better guitar. I have 2 Gibsons right now (SG Special, and Explorer) and the Tokai and Epi are both much better guitars for less money. I paid $750 for the Tokai and $850 for the Elitist. I hope this helps!
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Re: Orville or Gibson?

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Sorry if this question's been asked before, I was wondering how an Orville made Les Paul would compare to a Gibson made Les Paul.

I'm in the market for a Les Paul I can go out and gig with, and the lower price tag of the Orvilles certainly make them seem appealing. They also look rather good as well.

So if anyone could offer any thoughts or insights on the quality of Orvilles, I'd really appreciate it.


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If we're talking popcorn, it's Orville hands down for me...however, I haven't played the guitars brandishing the same name (though have heard good things)... However, I've yet to meet a Gibson I couldn't/wouldn't gig with regardless of price tag. Well, I suppose I've no interest in a flying V, but at the very least, it wouldn't the price tag that would stop me from gigging.

That's the point to a guitar. Buy an expensive one to hang on your wall, and you'll never break it in. It'll never be truly yours. You gotta play it man! And gig sweat only makes it that much a sweeter guitar.
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Re: Orville or Gibson?

Absolutely-and worn guitars feel so much better. I tend to buy second hand, so they are already broken in!
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I agree, worn guitars are better. You definitely get more for your money from the inevitable scratches and other wear... But this is one guitar I don't want to see that happen to.
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Sorry if this question's been asked before, I was wondering how an Orville made Les Paul would compare to a Gibson made Les Paul.

I'm in the market for a Les Paul I can go out and gig with, and the lower price tag of the Orvilles certainly make them seem appealing. They also look rather good as well.

So if anyone could offer any thoughts or insights on the quality of Orvilles, I'd really appreciate it.


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Orville's are great guitars as I have mentioned in our PM's

But the absolute way to find out how good a guitar is to play it! I'm more than sure that there have been some right Gibson dogs down the years like there has been of every guitar brand out there.

I've played and owned Gibsons, Fenders, EPi's, Grecos, Yamaha's to name to name a few and I can honestly say that my Orville is up with the best that I have played.

There are a lot of Japanese brands that can kick it with the best Gibsons in my opinion. I have a Greco EG59-65 that I bought from Wulfman and I tell you it is so close to my Gibson Les Paul Classic that if I was playing acoustically and blindfolded I wouldn't know which one I had in my hands it's that good!!

The difference? The Greco cost me a quarter of what the Gibson cost!

But ultimatley I go back to my first point, forget the name on the headstock, put it in your hands and play it. You will know within seconds if it is a good guitar.

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Why not a Gibson Studio LP to gig and play out? They can be had for around the same price as a Orville.
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I have a Tokai Reborn Old Standard (LS50) and an Epi Elitist Custom. They are both about even in playability, but stock sound, to me, the Tokai wins. The Epi does have a SWEET neck though. I had a Gibson Les Paul Goddess, and got rid of it very quickly to fund my Tokai. Much better guitar. I have 2 Gibsons right now (SG Special, and Explorer) and the Tokai and Epi are both much better guitars for less money. I paid $750 for the Tokai and $850 for the Elitist. I hope this helps!
My Elitist Les Paul over all is about equal to my SG in Playability. But, some people like the much slimmer neck of the Elitist better than the baseball bat neck of the SG. I like both, and see advantages in both.
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Re: Orville or Gibson?

My Tokai "Springy Sound" is actually superior IMHO than any Modern Fender I have played, but ranks about equal to my best Gibson and Epiphone Guitars. It's just different . Different is not always bad.IE, There is a reason an SG feels different than Flying V;s and Explorers, etc. The unique characters of individual axes turns me on. Any way one can get that feeling is the way to go. If I can save a dollar or 2 and get the feel, tone , and playability I want, i'm gonna do it, no matter what the head-stock says.
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Re: Orville or Gibson?

I did a comparison of a 2009 Gibson Les Paul Custom and a 1989 Orville (Terada) Les Paul Custom. Not much in it really apart from a couple of grand and the headstock logo.. check it out..

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you got to play them and stop worrying
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Let your hands, ears and heart be the judge.
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Re: Orville or Gibson?

This is probably a better fit for the "Other Les Pauls" forum, but to echo everyone here, the MIJ stuff can be a very good deal. I have a 1980 Tokai LS80, and a 2004 Epi Elitist, and they are unbelievably high quality guitars.

However, I do tend to like the 50s necks on the Tokai, and my two 2011 Gibby Trads the best.

Edit: Any reason you don't want to toss that Epi 1959 around on stage?
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I have a Tokai Reborn Old Standard (LS50) and an Epi Elitist Custom. They are both about even in playability, but stock sound, to me, the Tokai wins. The Epi does have a SWEET neck though. I had a Gibson Les Paul Goddess, and got rid of it very quickly to fund my Tokai. Much better guitar. I have 2 Gibsons right now (SG Special, and Explorer) and the Tokai and Epi are both much better guitars for less money. I paid $750 for the Tokai and $850 for the Elitist. I hope this helps!
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Re: Orville or Gibson?

I have an R8, R9 & a FujiGen Orville & I gig with the R9 over any of my other guitars. My experience with my Orville is it is close to my reissues in tone, quality & playability. When I had an 06 standard & a 91 40th anniversary they didn't compare with the Orville at all with playability or tone, wasn't even close so I sold both to get my R9.
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