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Unread 05-31-2011, 01:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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1983 Les Paul Standard

Hi guys,

a friend is offering me his 1983 Les Paul Standard, tobacco Sunburst in pretty used but otherwise good conditions (frets are good).
It's heavy as a stone but good sounding and playing, even though not as filigran as my 2004 R7, more of a rock axe with good treble.
Barely any original hardware left except stoptail and bridge.
Tuners are Schaller lockers, Pickups are Burstbuckers 2 + 3.
I can't seem to find any info on what a fair price tag would be for this instruments, the web is full with info on Studios and all those "collectables" that rolled out in 1983, but nothing on Standards.
Would apprechiate some input from you experts.
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Re: 1983 Les Paul Standard

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Hi guys,

a friend is offering me his 1983 Les Paul Standard, tobacco Sunburst in pretty used but otherwise good conditions (frets are good).
It's heavy as a stone but good sounding and playing, even though not as filigran as my 2004 R7, more of a rock axe with good treble.
Barely any original hardware left except stoptail and bridge.
Tuners are Schaller lockers, Pickups are Burstbuckers 2 + 3.
I can't seem to find any info on what a fair price tag would be for this instruments, the web is full with info on Studios and all those "collectables" that rolled out in 1983, but nothing on Standards.
Would apprechiate some input from you experts.

Seeing as how it is not all original, I'd say 1800. It sounds like it will make a great player and possibly looker too !
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Re: 1983 Les Paul Standard

Thanks Al!
That would be US Dollars, right?
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... sounds like it will make a great player and possibly looker too !
Hehe, yeah, it certainly suits my father's son. :-)
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Re: 1983 Les Paul Standard

Considering you could get a new Trad for $100 more without haggling, I'd say $1800 is a little pricey. Hell newer used Standards top out around there little mind a 83. Just because it's old doen't make it collectible or vintage IMO.
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Considering you could get a new Trad for $100 more without haggling, I'd say $1800 is a little pricey. Hell newer used Standards top out around there little mind a 83. Just because it's old doen't make it collectible or vintage IMO.
It doesn't, however, these Norlin era Lesters are getting rarer by the day and climbing in value not just due to inflation. Granted, this one isn't all original, but if it's in great shape, $1800 sounds pretty fair.

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That would be US Dollars, right?
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Seeing as how it is not all original, I'd say 1800. It sounds like it will make a great player and possibly looker too !
I concur with $1800. BUT, I would loooove to see some pictures, as we all would I'm sure, to get a better feel for it and give a better estimate. I also agree with Norlins being on the rise. I think over the next 10 years the Norlin skeptics will be very surprised. Even over the last 5 years the overall desire of Norlins has greatly increased.
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Re: 1983 Les Paul Standard

There's an '81 black Standard on my area craigslist going for $1250, all original, no mods. It's been available all weekend and no one has bought it. I see nothing that indicates Norlin era Les Pauls are becoming more scarce?
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There's an '81 black Standard on my area craigslist going for $1250, all original, no mods. It's been available all weekend and no one has bought it. I see nothing that indicates Norlin era Les Pauls are becoming more scarce?
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I concur with $1800. BUT, I would loooove to see some pictures, as we all would I'm sure, to get a better feel for it and give a better estimate. I also agree with Norlins being on the rise. I think over the next 10 years the Norlin skeptics will be very surprised. Even over the last 5 years the overall desire of Norlins has greatly increased.
I don't disagree that Norlins will rise in value but only to a select group of 'collectors'. The appeal of a Norlin era LP is to a smaller portion of LP lovers.
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There's an '81 black Standard on my area craigslist going for $1250, all original, no mods. It's been available all weekend and no one has bought it. I see nothing that indicates Norlin era Les Pauls are becoming more scarce?

Lol, you find one outlier and make a conclusion? Btw you better pick it up for that price hahaha.
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Re: 1983 Les Paul Standard

Here's an '84 in my backyard. Asking $2,700 for like-new condition

1984 GIBSON LES PAUL CUSTOM CHERRY SUNBURST ORIGINAL

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With the description given I would offer 1500$ and a case of beer.
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Re: 1983 Les Paul Standard

Thanks for the replies, guys!
However, not too sure if I still want her.
Took her into the rehearsal room yesterday and out of the 4 Les Pauls we both guitarists have at hand this one was by far the weakest.
It just doesn't cut through the mix and you have to fight for each note.
Tone remains awfully flat, there's no connection between you and the guitar at band level, very strange.
I'll try swapping the Bridge for a Duesenberg ABR-1 clone that I have laying around to see if that helps, but honestly I doubt that.
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There's an '81 black Standard on my area craigslist going for $1250, all original, no mods. It's been available all weekend and no one has bought it. I see nothing that indicates Norlin era Les Pauls are becoming more scarce?
Where is your area? I have the same guitar in my area (NYC) that is going more than double that price!!!


For $1250 - I would have bought that guitar tomorrow!
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Re: 1983 Les Paul Standard

my 86 standard was $1500, bone stock and almost mint. i'd say $1800 is high honestly, i'm with KenG on this one.
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Thanks for the replies, guys!
However, not too sure if I still want her.
Took her into the rehearsal room yesterday and out of the 4 Les Pauls we both guitarists have at hand this one was by far the weakest.
It just doesn't cut through the mix and you have to fight for each note.
Tone remains awfully flat, there's no connection between you and the guitar at band level, very strange.
I'll try swapping the Bridge for a Duesenberg ABR-1 clone that I have laying around to see if that helps, but honestly I doubt that.
Lots of things you could do about that. Suspect #1: how old are the strings? If they're dead, they're dead. A lightweight tailpiece slammed all the way to the body & topwrapped always seems to make a guitar more resonant for me. Bridge and nut should also be looked at - you want them clean, smooth and the strings to make good contact. If it plays well acoustically, but not plugged in, it could be a lot of things - cold solder joints, bad wiring, dirty pots & contacts. Do the clean/maintenance things first - they're all cheaper than replacing parts. If it looks like parts need changing then chisel down the price to cover it. Not many LP's can't be made to sound good, with a little care.
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lots of things you could do about that. Suspect #1: How old are the strings? If they're dead, they're dead. A lightweight tailpiece slammed all the way to the body & topwrapped always seems to make a guitar more resonant for me. Bridge and nut should also be looked at - you want them clean, smooth and the strings to make good contact. If it plays well acoustically, but not plugged in, it could be a lot of things - cold solder joints, bad wiring, dirty pots & contacts. Do the clean/maintenance things first - they're all cheaper than replacing parts. If it looks like parts need changing then chisel down the price to cover it. Not many lp's can't be made to sound good, with a little care.
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Lol, you find one outlier and make a conclusion? Btw you better pick it up for that price hahaha.
LOL? Really? I see deals like the one I described, often. When I am in the market - I buy them. This isn't a one time thing, you idiot.
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Where is your area? I have the same guitar in my area (NYC) that is going more than double that price!!!


For $1250 - I would have bought that guitar tomorrow!
Seattle. Sorry, it's an '82. My mistake.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/msg/2411723924.html
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Lots of things you could do about that. Suspect #1: how old are the strings? If they're dead, they're dead. A lightweight tailpiece slammed all the way to the body & topwrapped always seems to make a guitar more resonant for me. Bridge and nut should also be looked at - you want them clean, smooth and the strings to make good contact. If it plays well acoustically, but not plugged in, it could be a lot of things - cold solder joints, bad wiring, dirty pots & contacts. Do the clean/maintenance things first - they're all cheaper than replacing parts. If it looks like parts need changing then chisel down the price to cover it. Not many LP's can't be made to sound good, with a little care.
Thanks J-T.

That's what I did so far:
Cleared the fretboard from something that looked like 10 years old stain and polished frets, cleaned nuts, polished the surfaces all around, swapped the bridge for an ABR1 replica, resoldered all contacts, adjusted trussrod, massively upped string action.
It all helped some, but not enough.
Having played her for 5 days now I'm getting the impression that the ultra-heavy body in conjunction with the very light slim taper neck don't play very well together. Havn't checked yet how well the tenon fits into the body.
Eitherway, I don't get the impression it's worth all the hassle.
She just stopped talking to me. Too bad really because she looks really good.
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Non original hardware and heavy? I wouldn't pay $1800.
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