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Unread 08-12-2010, 01:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Speed Knobs

I've used em. I have the old stock top-hat style. I don't see what the "speed" knobs are really buying you... I can spin my knobs (that sounds dirty) just as easily with the top hats - So, is it just the look that people go for with these?
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Unread 08-12-2010, 01:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Speed Knobs

I hate them!
I think the look ridiculous.
I love my reflectors.
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Re: Speed Knobs

I use speed knobs on both my R9 and my Custom. I find them easier to adjust quickly.
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Re: Speed Knobs

I find them easier to adjust too. I guess that's where the name comes from.
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Re: Speed Knobs

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I hate them!
I think the look ridiculous.
I love my reflectors.
What I hate is the term "speed knobs."

I'd love to know which tool came up with the idea of calling volume and tone knobs speed knobs.

Just because they say 1 through 10, it doesn't mean you're running a food processor, folks . . .
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Re: Speed Knobs

i almost only use speed knobs, i just find my fingers slipping around on other styles of knobs
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Re: Speed Knobs

Thread topic desperation sets in.

With my mutilated pinky finger, they are MUCH easier to adjust.
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I use speed knobs on both my R9 and my Custom. I find them easier to adjust quickly.
+1... they also look better.
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What I hate is the term "speed knobs."

I'd love to know which tool came up with the idea of calling volume and tone knobs speed knobs.

Just because they say 1 through 10, it doesn't mean you're running a food processor, folks . . .
They're called speed knobs because they're supposedly faster to turn. You can go from 10 to 0 with much more speed than you can tophats, where the meat of the knob is harder to find with your pinky. You're thinking of it like the knobs determine what speed your guitar is set to.

Personally I hate them. They look ugly, and I honestly have an easier time turning reflectors. The smaller circumference means that my finger travels a smaller distance along the outside of the knob to get the same degree of rotation (not that I do crazy volume swells, anyway.)
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Re: Speed Knobs

I prefer witch-hats they should be called speed-knobs
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Re: Speed Knobs

I use amber top hats with nickel pointers.
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Re: Speed Knobs

I like the performance, readability and look of black/chrome reflectors with indicator pointers over speed knobs. My volume and tone knobs are always on 10, so I don't "feel the need for speed."
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They're called speed knobs because they're supposedly faster to turn. You can go from 10 to 0 with much more speed than you can tophats, where the meat of the knob is harder to find with your pinky.
Trouble is, you see all shape and size of them called "speed knobs," not just the top hats.

I took the black knobs covered whole acrylic off my Studio and put amber top hats on them to go with the classic look I was giving her. (Swapped the stock black trim for cream trim---toggle ring, pickup frames, pickguards, the works.) I didn't notice any big difference in how fast I could twist them up or down, if it came to that. Though I did notice my pinkie was a little more comfortable moving the knob with the top hat style. It didn't feel as though I were turning a sharp-edged can.

But since I usually play with the amp cranked to ten and the guitar on one to three depending on the pickup I choose for whatever part I'm playing, I don't worry about the speed since I don't alter the volume that often or that sharply anyway.
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Re: Speed Knobs

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i prefer witch-hats they should be called speed-knobs
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Re: Speed Knobs

I think they're kind of ugly, but that's just me... And I've owned lots of guitars outfitted with them and never felt the need to change them out, so it obviously doesn't bother me that much. I don't usually need to "speed turn" my knobs anyway.
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Re: Speed Knobs

I find them the easiest to work and adjust with ease at a gig, but i refuse to use them, so damn big and ugly...
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Re: Speed Knobs

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The smaller circumference means that my finger travels a smaller distance along the outside of the knob to get the same degree of rotation (not that I do crazy volume swells, anyway.)
Time to a geometry course again.

Think of it this way: if you take the knob off completely and try to spin the pole, it takes a larger rotation of your wrist to get it around all the way. Same principle applies to a road bicycle and gearing: smaller gear takes more motion to get the tire to go around one full rotation.

Formula for it is R = Dk / Dp. Rotation = Diameter(knob) divided by Diameter(pole piece).

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Time to a geometry course again.

Think of it this way: if you take the knob off completely and try to spin the pole, it takes a larger rotation of your wrist to get it around all the way. Same principle applies to a road bicycle and gearing: smaller gear takes more motion to get the tire to go around one full rotation.

Formula for it is R = Dk / Dp. Rotation = Diameter(knob) divided by Diameter(pole piece).

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hahah!

im glad i wasnt the only one that was thinking that didnt make any sense whatsoever
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hahah!

im glad i wasnt the only one that was thinking that didnt make any sense whatsoever
What's really ridiculous is that I left out the word "take" from my first sentence. I am always dumb when I'm acting like a smarty-pants.
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Re: Speed Knobs

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What's really ridiculous is that I left out the word "take" from my first sentence. I am always dumb when I'm acting like a smarty-pants.
Me too.

Anyway, the larger diameter makes them easier to turn, with less dexterity required. My pinky's crippled, so I'll take the little bit of help.

I happen to like the way they look, but NBD. Some of you guys dissing them like somebody puked on the guitar crack me up. I'll be all self-conscious and shit now, next time I play out, knowing someone in the audience thinks I have an ugly knob.
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Re: Speed Knobs

I hardly use the knobs during a song so speed is not required but nevertheless gold speed knobs are cool IMHO. Might put some on my Epiphone instead of the stock ones which ain't too bad, but just not my cup of tea.
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Speed knobs are FUGLY
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Re: Speed Knobs

[QUOTE=EasyAce;1988847]What I hate is the term "speed knobs."

I'd love to know which tool came up with the idea of calling volume and tone knobs speed knobs.

Just because they say 1 through 10, it doesn't mean you're running a food processor, folks . . . [/QUOTE


The reason they are called speed knobs is because you are able to adjust them without using two or more fingers. You just need one finger and like River said, the pinky, most of the time. With the shape and diameter of the knob, all you have to do is literally just graze your pinky/bottom part of your palm over the side of said knob and bam, you have adjustment. That maneuver is a little bit harder to do with a reflector and a lot harder with a witch hat.
I like all types. Some fit/look better on different guitars.

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I happen to like the way they look, but NBD. Some of you guys dissing them like somebody puked on the guitar crack me up.
Dude, I am right there with you. I LIKE the look of speed knobs. Especially on Customs, Studios... HELL, even on a black standard. In my opinion, the amber knobs on a black standard, traditional, classic, etc look ridiculous. There is nothing else that color on the guitar except maybe the amber/gold color Les Paul model script, so they just look out of place.
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Time to a geometry course again.

Think of it this way: if you take the knob off completely and try to spin the pole, it takes a larger rotation of your wrist to get it around all the way. Same principle applies to a road bicycle and gearing: smaller gear takes more motion to get the tire to go around one full rotation.

Formula for it is R = Dk / Dp. Rotation = Diameter(knob) divided by Diameter(pole piece).

Math rocks.
No, Xavier was right about what he said. A smaller diameter knob travels less distance for a full rotation but it takes more force to turn it. A larger diameter knob travels more distance with less force because the longer radius is a longer lever. You're interpreting motion from the movement of the hand which varies with each person. Using your pinky and not moving your wrist, or using your thumb and forefinger and turning your wrist etc.

Same principal with car tires. If you put oversize tires on your car, your speedometer will read a speed less than what you are really traveling. Your odometer will report fewer miles than what you have travelled. It's not math, its physics.
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Re: Speed Knobs

Its a look thing more than anything else. You know, its in the same league as buying guitars in the first place. 90% with your eyes and only 10% with your ears. So I figure people have a preference of knobs i much the same fashion.
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Re: Speed Knobs

I agree that speed knobs are easier to use (quicker to grab a hold of IMO) although I think top hats look better and more nostalgic.
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