Epi Truss Rod

[taypeng]

I read on another forum that the truss rod in current production Epis only extend halfway into the neck and there'll be problems adjusting intonation etc when theres back bow on the neck over time???

Wonder if anyone here knows anything about that..
If thats true, i'm gonna think twice about getting the epi i wanted...

[Robster]

As long as you never let the guitar sit for an extended period without string tension, you should never see a backbow developing.

R

[ZOOBEAR]

Originally Posted by taypeng

I read on another forum that the truss rod in current production Epis only extend halfway into the neck and there'll be problems adjusting intonation etc when theres back bow on the neck over time???

Wonder if anyone here knows anything about that..
If thats true, i'm gonna think twice about getting the epi i wanted...

How can the truss rod go only halfway down the neck??

[Mickdoo22@Verizon.net]

Sounds like someone is full of it! There is no practical reason that would be true......plus from a functional standpoint, it wouldn't work. I would kinda act like John Bobbit's wiener!

[rickym]

Originally Posted by Mickdoo22@Verizon.net

Sounds like someone is full of it! There is no practical reason that would be true......plus from a functional standpoint, it wouldn't work. I would kinda act like John Bobbit's wiener!

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! I visualized it!

[cantafford59lp]

I myself am not an expert Epiphone guru or even at Guitars but someone is starting a panic streak or something full of it. I feel that the truss rod haz=s to be able to munipulate the neck from the headstock to the neck/body joint at least.
MannyM

[Big_dawg]

took mine out hte other day (07 epi custom - it does run the full length not just 1/2 way...

[taypeng]

I'm gonna quote the dude who made the remark on a local forum:

Originally Posted by Whitestrat View Post
One word before you jump in and die of salivation over this guitar. Did you know that the truss rod only goes in half way? When the guitar eventually gets a bit of back bow, you'll find that no matter what you do, there's always a bump at the 12th fret you can't remove unless you get some serious fret or neck work done.

I used to have one. I got rid of it as quickly as I could after I found that out.


I asked him how he found out about this and this was the reply:

Because my LP Custom then had a back bow, and the truss rod had to be tightened. So, no matter what me or the guitar tech did, the neck only moved upwards and downwards above the 12th fret. We measured fret highest relative to sections, and found that no matter what, the neck only shifted with the neck at the 12th fret as a pivot point. There was only one conclusion to be drawn from that. A broken truss rod wouldn't shift anything.

I then checked with one forum (can't remember which one, it was more than 2 years ago...) and found that this was a common problem with Epi LPs then. Maybe they've changed the construction. This wasn't an MIC one... I think it was MIK or something like that...

[taypeng]

erm to avoid any misunderstanding that may arise from my profile pic of SRV holding a strat. I'm a big fan of Gibson / Epi LPs and was thinking of getting an Epi...(maybe Epi's slash signature LP!)

but anyway I do think what the guy said is a little dubious because I can't find any other complaints on the net/forums about Epi's truss rod..

[lifele55]

I saw that ad ...

And I did say on it that both my Epi's play without any backbow and I think you'd be pleased with any Epi you get. Just be sure to play it and try it first

[cantafford59lp]

why don't someone disect one of their Epi's for us...then we will know whats really going on!!!
Anyone for it??.

[General Disarray]

Think about this from a construction standpoint.

If you place a truss rod anchor in the middle of a neck and then shape the neck to profile, removing the wood surrounding the anchor. When you tune up to pitch where is the anchor gonna go?

That's it - right out the back of the neck.

Sounds like the guitar in question had a warp that the TR couldn't work out - any guitar repairer worth his salt can fix this by slackening the TR all the way and clamping to a jig and heating.

[kaptinkrunch]

I own a MIK Epi Standard & a MIC Epi standard and I have had NO issues at all WRT truss rods or Getting the neck straight or the action low at all. I have owned 4 Epi LPs in my life & never had construction issues w/them (occasionally I have heard that others do) but I don't hesitate to buy Epiphone, my beef is I replace the stock pups w/Gibson Burstbuckers and we're good to go. If you want the Slash Epi, play it first & if she speaks to ya get her & feel good about it (then post lots of pics here...lol).

[GrouchyDog]

Originally Posted by Mickdoo22@Verizon.net

Sounds like someone is full of it! There is no practical reason that would be true......plus from a functional standpoint, it wouldn't work. I would kinda act like John Bobbit's wiener!

Dude! I just spit coffee on my keyboard - don't do that again!

[Termanator7]

Does this occur on the Epiphone Les Paul Elitists also?

[terence_tez]

dual truss rods.yes.
single truss rod.yes
non adjustable rod.yes
half a rod?
you gotta be kidding me...

[Termanator7]

Wait what? Yes or No? and if it is yes, how do you get it fixed?

[diceman]

Originally Posted by Termanator7

Does this occur on the Epiphone Les Paul Elitists also?

NO. Nothing "Epiphone" related is relevant to an Elitist.

And I don't buy any of it, to be honest.

[Termanator7]

Are you sure? Has any of it happened to your Elitist Dice?

[Fuelish]

Originally Posted by Termanator7

Are you sure? Has any of it happened to your Elitist Dice?

Term, man, settle down ..... I seriously doubt that Epi is building guits with half a truss rod, or, given today being the "information age," someone would have found out and it'd be spread across the www. One post alleging it (with no proof) is meaningless.....if you can find scores of posts from folks with half-rods (including proof...pics ???) , then perhaps I'd worry..... I ain't worryin' 'bout it.
Relax. Regular Epiphones are fine guitars....am sure the Elitists are that much moreso

[diceman]

Originally Posted by Termanator7

Are you sure? Has any of it happened to your Elitist Dice?

I've got a bunch of Epis and an Elitist and can assure you that the story that this guy made up about a 1/2 truss rod is total bullshit.

[lifele55]

The BS people say about these Epis... unbelievable.

[Fuelish]

Originally Posted by taypeng

I asked him how he found out about this and this was the reply:

[I]Because my LP Custom then had a back bow, and the truss rod had to be tightened.

If one has "backbow" of the neck, is not the truss rod supposed to be loosened ?? Neck relief comes through loosening, I was led to believe (haven't had an issue with mine yet...)

[General Disarray]

Originally Posted by Fuelish

If one has "backbow" of the neck, is not the truss rod supposed to be loosened ?? Neck relief comes through loosening, I was led to believe (haven't had an issue with mine yet...)

Correct - a truss rod counteracts the string tension therefore if there is a backbow the TR should be SLACKENED to correct.

[Fuelish]

Originally Posted by General Disarray

Correct - a truss rod counteracts the string tension therefore if there is a backbow the TR should be SLACKENED to correct.

Very well, just as I thought. Thanks, General....I was wondering about that after the guys post about the other guy tightening his rod to get rid of backbow .... no wonder it wouldn't work

[twinrider1]

Epi's have truss rods?

[taypeng]

Originally Posted by lifele55

The BS people say about these Epis... unbelievable.

the guy has stopped replying to the thread haha

im kinda relieved to hear no one else has encountered any of the same problem, so i guess its an isolated case.

I'm waiting to try out the slash model when its unveiled here...
long tenon neck, SD alnico II pups..pretty good specs on that model!

[diceman]

That Slash model is gonna rock!

[lifele55]

Originally Posted by taypeng

the guy has stopped replying to the thread haha

im kinda relieved to hear no one else has encountered any of the same problem, so i guess its an isolated case.

I'm waiting to try out the slash model when its unveiled here...
long tenon neck, SD alnico II pups..pretty good specs on that model!

I don't know if you saw it, but Swee Lee had 1 like a month ago. I didn't know how it got out, but it was there. I didn't pick it up to try though, I WAS contented with my guitars to not want to try another one...



.....up till the good ppl here blabbers on and on and on and on about the Elitist!.... nows I is needs to has thee Elistitsss..

[taypeng]

Originally Posted by lifele55

I don't know if you saw it, but Swee Lee had 1 like a month ago. I didn't know how it got out, but it was there. I didn't pick it up to try though, I WAS contented with my guitars to not want to try another one...



.....up till the good ppl here blabbers on and on and on and on about the Elitist!.... nows I is needs to has thee Elistitsss..

huh its out? its time to pay a visit to swee lee..hehe