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Unread 06-14-2009, 03:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Tips on getting Jimmy Page Tone?

Hey all, I was wondering if anybody has any relatively cheap ways to get Jimmy Page's live tone from around 1972(listen to how the west was won for reference.) I currently own an epi les paul ultra, through a crybaby set to page's specs, then through various pedals and such into an old crate amp from the 80's. I'm a little low on the amp department, but i'm thinking of buyin an old marshall JCM 900. If anyone could tell me their ideas, much thanks.

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Unread 06-14-2009, 03:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Tips on getting Jimmy Page Tone?

Welcome, dude.....hang on to your hat for the responses!
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Re: Tips on getting Jimmy Page Tone?

Welcome Jimmy. You've got one of the guitars. (You'll need a Telecaster too) Empty the room of the rest of that stuff and get yourself a Marshall and Supro amp and you're well on your way. Of course you'll need to be a studio engineer with all kinds of tricks up your sleeves and it wouldn't hurt to have had 10 years worth of session work under your belt.
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Re: Tips on getting Jimmy Page Tone?

You can get jimmy page electronics is think, pickups sets etc. but not sure where or what, just heard about them.
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Re: Tips on getting Jimmy Page Tone?

Welcome, man. I think a Marshall would be a step in the right direction.

As far as the 'Jimmy Page wiring', this might help you. Everything you need is in the diagram and I think the thread is also informative.
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Re: Tips on getting Jimmy Page Tone?

Why not get your own tone and not be a copy of someone else?
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Re: Tips on getting Jimmy Page Tone?

A Line 6 POD loaded with Lincoln Brewster's Variac'd Plexi models, coupled with proper technique, does a great job.
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....As far as the 'Jimmy Page wiring', this might help you.....
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Re: Tips on getting Jimmy Page Tone?

I believe the tone he's seeking pre-dates the push/pull stuff.
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Why not get your own tone and not be a copy of someone else?
why not answer the OP's question or GTFO?
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Don't be so hard on him. I accidentally posted a wrong diagram first. I hadn't edited my post, yet, by the time he posted.
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Use .08 Strings?
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Lighter strings really do help, more so to me than many electronic components in the mix. I use light tops w/regular or heavy bottoms.
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Re: Tips on getting Jimmy Page Tone?

thread needs to be moved......

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Re: Tips on getting Jimmy Page Tone?

the quacky page sound apparently comes from using a '60s or later 'T-top' humbucker in the bridge rather than having the pickups wired out of phase, so look that way as well

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why not answer the OP's question or GTFO?
If the OP bothered to use search... I am sure he could find at least half a dozen or even maybe 328 threads with all the ad nauseam information he needs and I don't need to GTFO anything sonny.
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Re: Tips on getting Jimmy Page Tone?

[QUOTE=jimmypagekills;872170]Hey all, I was wondering if anybody has any relatively cheap ways to get Jimmy Page's live tone from around 1972(listen to how the west was won for reference.) [QUOTE]

The tone thing again...Find Jonesy, he has a JP wiring kit, AND he knows how to get what ya lookin for without spendin a jillion bucks on Plexi amps etc...FIND JONESY>>>WWW.JONESYBLUES.COM
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Re: Tips on getting Jimmy Page Tone?

Would '72 still be in the tele days?
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Would '72 still be in the tele days?
Nope. 59' LP days.
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Re: Tips on getting Jimmy Page Tone?

You can actually get a pretty decent Page tone with a JCM 900, start with this and tweak it to your liking: Presence: 7; Bass: 7; Middle: 6; Treble: 5; Master: 3; Gain: 14; Pre-amp: 3

Of course you also need the #1 or #2 and some magic fingers, but you already knew that...
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Don't be so hard on him. I accidentally posted a wrong diagram first. I hadn't edited my post, yet, by the time he posted.
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Ah Dennis... you can be so droll at times.... But how many times have I seen you play the "Search" card?
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Re: Tips on getting Jimmy Page Tone?

Good Gawd there's about as many questions as there are answers to this. I guess if I was looking for more of a vintage tone...(or as close as I could get to Jimmy Page on the Cheap)

I'd maybe, maybe put that gain level up to about 5 and just leave it there. As far as the amps go, spread the sound out and put the main amp on a stand. For crunchiness, lose the effects and roll back the volume for rhythms.

But even that's a crap shoot...there's also miles of difference between live Jimmy Page and Jimmy Page in the recording studio.

Methinks the big trick to it is even beyond the amplifier and looking at what Page did live...I know for a fact there was a lot less reliance on effects vs. utilizing the tone and volume knobs...and the crunch factor wasn't near as high...
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Good Gawd there's about as many questions as there are answers to this. I guess if I was looking for more of a vintage tone...(or as close as I could get to Jimmy Page on the Cheap)

I'd maybe, maybe put that gain level up to about 5 and just leave it there. As far as the amps go, spread the sound out and put the main amp on a stand. For crunchiness, lose the effects and roll back the volume for rhythms.

But even that's a crap shoot...there's also miles of difference between live Jimmy Page and Jimmy Page in the recording studio.

Methinks the big trick to it is even beyond the amplifier and looking at what Page did live...I know for a fact there was a lot less reliance on effects vs. utilizing the tone and volume knobs...and the crunch factor wasn't near as high...
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Check this out, especially Splattle101's post: How did classic rock players like jimmy page use their guitar controls
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Check this out, especially Splattle101's post: How did classic rock players like jimmy page use their guitar controls
Wow....That outta be pinned!!
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