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Unread 02-24-2009, 06:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Epi Les Paul Jr. vs. Special II

Whilst trolling a certain site...I stumbled across this...



The Les Paul Jr. is going for 129.99 right now...that's very, very inexpensive.

The next level up? A Special II...



They're on sale for 169.00 dollars...also at Musician's Friend.

Now, I know the Special II is a bolt on neck....but what about the Junior? It didn't specify.....
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Unread 02-24-2009, 06:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Epi Les Paul Jr. vs. Special II

A friend of mine has a Special II Sen, and I just dont like it much. I just doesnt seem up to task. The neck is to thick and just feels like a log. The tuners look and feel cheap, I dont know man, just all around not very impresive. I mean for $200 bucks I guess its OK you know, but if your in that neighborhood you should be looking at a Studio. Much, much better guitar in every way. IMO guys. No offense to anyone who has a special II. I personally would not ever buy one.

I know nothing about a JR.
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Re: Epi Les Paul Jr. vs. Special II

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A friend of mine has a Special II Sen, and I just dont like it much. I just doesnt seem up to task. The neck is to thick and just feels like a log. The tuners look and feel cheap, I dont know man, just all around not very impresive. I mean for $200 bucks I guess its OK you know, but if your in that neighborhood you should be looking at a Studio. Much, much better guitar in every way. IMO guys. No offense to anyone who has a special II. I personally would not ever buy one.

I know nothing about a JR.
Yeah...a Special II really is a sink or swim guitar. A few people have found players that are worth upgrading, but for the most part they're student/beginner guitars.

I guess what I'm more curious about is whether or not the Junior is a bolt on or it has a set neck (the site didn't specify....)
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Re: Epi Les Paul Jr. vs. Special II

I believe the Juinior is bolt on, as you can see from the picture.
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Re: Epi Les Paul Jr. vs. Special II

OH let me add, A friend of mine passed on a Silverburst Custom (you know the ones we drool over Sen?, yea that one...) for her son, because she and he kid (14 years old) wanted the headstock to say "Les Paul" They were on sale for $399 over christmas. She speant about $250 on........you guessed it a Special II. I told her to never......EVER buy a guitar again without asking me first. The funny thing is, the guy from GC let her do it.
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I guess what I'm more curious about is whether or not the Junior is a bolt on or it has a set neck (the site didn't specify....)

I think some do. There are better models out there that come with set necks..............I think. Where's Billie Joe Armstrong when we need him
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I believe the Juinior is bolt on, as you can see from the picture.
how can I see from the picture????
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OH let me add, A friend of mine passed on a Silverburst Custom (you know the ones we drool over Sen?, yea that one...) for her son, because she and he kid (14 years old) wanted the headstock to say "Les Paul" They were on sale for $399 over christmas. She speant about $250 on........you guessed it a Special II. I told her to never......EVER buy a guitar again without asking me first. The funny thing is, the guy from GC let her do it.
Hahahahaha!!! Les...that's funny. Seriously.....(and no, it doesn't suprise me at all that GC let her do that. They really do not care, they don't cut rebates, and they don't really care about getting the customer the best deal. Been there, done that...)
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I believe the Juinior is bolt on, as you can see from the picture.
Yeah, you're right! (just noticed that...)

thanks for the sharp eyes!
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Yeah, you're right! (just noticed that...)

thanks for the sharp eyes!

Must be younger than us Sen. Boy I really felt my age catching up with me this last week. What a bummber. Im good now
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Must be younger than us Sen. Boy I really felt my age catching up with me this last week. What a bummber. Im good now
Yeah....it happens....

Another thing I'm curious about though....does that pickguard cover up a cavity for another pickup, or is it just attached to the body to give it more bling?
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Re: Epi Les Paul Jr. vs. Special II

I think there is only one pup cavity.
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Re: Epi Les Paul Jr. vs. Special II

That particular model of Junior in the photo has a bolt on neck. I've got one. And the neck is quite thick, as the other poster stated. Mine was some closeout that I bought pretty inexpensively. It intonates fine and doesn't suffer any fret buzz anywhere on the neck with fairly low action.
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I think there is only one pup cavity.
Hmm.....ah well.

So...would it be fair to say that this is essentially the same model, only one of 'em has an extra pickup? And is it worth 40 dollars to go to the next model if you're already committed to going this cheap on an Epi Les Paul?
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Re: Epi Les Paul Jr. vs. Special II

allright my neighbor has an Epi jr it's a bolt on neck and there's only one pup cavity ( only thing I don't like about them is that is not a carved top)
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Re: Epi Les Paul Jr. vs. Special II

I have bought 2 Epi Juniors from Guitar Center for $89 each in the past (not at the same time). Cheap enough to experiment with. I was intrigued by the looks of them. I just love the LP Junior look. Anyway. My first purchase was a black one. That guitar is simply amazing for the price. I don't know why, but it feels very "right." I bought the second one in brown sunburst and I have to say it was a real piece of crap. Totally different than the first. The neck was no where near the quality of the black one. They were made in 2 different factories so that must be the reason. Anyway, I fixed up the brown burst one the best I could and gave it to my son to knock around. The other I put in a Kent Armstrong "P90" humbucker and I just love it. So different from my regular Les Pauls with Humbuckers. I can't put it down. BTW The mods I did on it were: new cast metal tuners, new electronics and pickup. Totally changed the guitar completely.
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Hmm.....ah well.

So...would it be fair to say that this is essentially the same model, only one of 'em has an extra pickup? And is it worth 40 dollars to go to the next model if you're already committed to going this cheap on an Epi Les Paul?
they are basically the same guitar, offered in similar finishes even. probably built to the same quality standards.

i like having two pickups...but i have been tempted to buy a guitar with one pickup...then start eliminating controls until i have something that's still versatile, but very minimalistic. maybe a killswitch + tone or volume pot.
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Re: Epi Les Paul Jr. vs. Special II

I think they're essentially the same guitar except the Special II has the extra pickup and the controls and stuff are moved around a little.. I've played both and they both have a bolt on neck.. Personally, I'd get the junior. I think it looks better and I only use the bridge pickup anyway
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Re: Epi Les Paul Jr. vs. Special II

The Epi Jr is a bold on, and like it was said here, it's the same as the Special II with just one pup.

However, I think the Jr gives you the chance to get a bit closer to the real deal. It comes routed for 2 knobs, no switch, and one bridge pup. You can convert it to have a P90 with dog ears (that's the hard part) and refinish it and end up with a guitar that sounds good and looks the part.

That is, if you're into that vintage looks stuff.

I got Special II, completely modified, and it plays and sounds great. But out of the box, if you do nothing to it, it's just another beginner's guitar, like the Jr and even the LP 100.
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