The Fake Epiphone Thread II

Sinmastah · 01-26-2009, 02:15 PM

Alright guys, I remade this thread after some debating. Me Gnr and new newly appointed fake hunter Dj are going to run this thread. If you have an inquiry about a guitar post it here, a senior member or one of us will look at it. If you are a junior member please do not tell peoply why you think the guitar is fake, or if you think it is. Senior members may. Vip members may. Me, GnR, and DJ can override any votes, but that doesn’t mean you have to listen to us. If we say it is fake, and you buy it, don’t come crying to us if it is fake.

Also guys, please I regulated this first post to show all the information that I am willing to give out at the time. If you have any tips at all to tell us why you think the guitar is fake, PM one of the three of us mentioned. Thanks

**THIS THREAD'S INFO APPLIES TO CHINESE MADE EPI'S ONLY**

This picture has a few things wrong with it. Starting with the logo, on the fake it is tilted too much, an also look where the "h" is placed. On the fake it is almost directly below the middle, and on the real it is more to the right. Moving down, you look at the middle right tuner, and you can see that it is way to close to the edge, on the real it has more room. On the real guitar, the tuner does not overlap the binding at all, but on the fake it clearly does. Perhaps this is because of the oversized washers. Again moving down, looking at the TRC, make sure it is roughly the same size, the far left screw should be just below the 5th string (when in playing position). Also make sure the screws are legit size, they look decent in the fake picture though. Lastly on the headstock, it is very clear on the fake that the headstock is skewed, and not cut correctly. The angle of the picture screws this up a little, but you can still tell it is badly cut. Going more into detail, look at the placement of the "h". On the fake it is directly in the middle, but on the real guitar it is more to the right. Looking at the diamond, you can see that if you draw a line on the top of the two top tuners, the diamond should be a tad below that. On the fake it is not even close. This is shown also or the bottom of the two bottom tuners.

Now we move to the knobs, which in my oppinion is the easiest way to tell if a guitar is fake. Just do the thing that I did with the lines. If you draw two lines, intersecting the middle of the knobs, not only should they be parallel, but should also be parallel with the neck (Sg's will vary, but will still be parallel). Also look at the bottom of the bridge, if the guitar is in playing position, the knob should be a tab to the left of the bridge (if you are looking at the face of the guitar from across the room). Many fakes seem to be below the bridge.

We now look at the pick-guard screw. Fakes generally have the screw very close to the edge of the guard, so look for that. On the real one, you can see it is more in the middle. Also look on the bottom of the photo, see how the pick-guard bends down on the real one? The fake one doesn't bend much.

If you look at the upper set of knobs, and draw a line through them, it should intercept the Pick-Guard screw. This should also help in determining where the Pick-guard screw should go, assuming your knobs are correct.

******WARNING SIGNS******
Here are a couple things to be cautious of when buying on eBay.
1. The guitar is stated as coming direct from the Epiphone factory.
2. The seller states that he does not have the guitar, and just has pictures from the supplier.
3. Has the Epiphone box in the picture
4. Generic looking pictures
5. Claims the guitar project dater garuntees authenticity.

Thanks guys for the support. We are glad to assist MLP by providing this service for anyone.

Remember: **THIS THREAD'S INFO APPLIES TO CHINESE MADE EPI'S ONLY**

dennistruckdriver · 01-26-2009, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinmastah

....If you are a junior member please do not tell people why you think the guitar is fake....Senior members may. Vip members may.....Thanks guys for the support. We are glad to assist MLP by providing this service for anyone.

Thanks, but I'm leaving this up to you guys. I'm a noob when it comes to spotting a fake, unless it is obvious.

(Is it alright to call myself a noob? I don't want to make anyone upset.

)

Sinmastah · 01-26-2009, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dennistruckdriver

Thanks, but I'm leaving this up to you guys. I'm a noob when it comes to spotting a fake, unless it is obvious.

(Is it alright to call myself a noob? I don't want to make anyone upset.

)

I know, but you know who you are when it comes to telling what is fake and what is not. I am sure no one would lead anyone wrongly here...

Hah, looks like 600 of my posts went down the hole because the thread is gone.

GNR4EVR · 01-26-2009, 02:30 PM

Perfect start, Sin. Should add the vote again, though. That was actually handy for us to determine what people think about the thread so we can gauge needed changes.

***b-squared*** · 01-26-2009, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinmastah

Hah, looks like 600 of my posts went down the hole because the thread is gone.

Fixed.

BB

Sinmastah · 01-26-2009, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GNR4EVR

Perfect start, Sin. Should add the vote again, though. That was actually handy for us to determine what people think about the thread so we can gauge needed changes.

Will do. Going to make it public too this time. PM me if you want me to edit the post to add/delete anything.

Quote:

Originally Posted by b-squared

Fixed.

BB

Hah, thanks bro. Thanks for the sticky too.

AdrielTimothealovesLps · 01-26-2009, 02:41 PM

omg im the only one thats voted...
i shall learn the ways and tell people what is fake or not!

Sinmastah · 01-26-2009, 02:43 PM

I won't vote haha. People will trickle in. And spend time here and you will be able to make informed decisions when you decide what is fake and what is not.

GNR4EVR · 01-26-2009, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b-squared

Fixed.

BB

Thank you, sir!

AdrielTimothealovesLps · 01-26-2009, 03:02 PM

yeah haha i saw the old thread it helped me point out to myself what is fake and what not

(future)GibsonRocker · 01-26-2009, 04:15 PM

Hehe, I'm gonna go fake hunting now

TO EBAY!!!

AdrielTimothealovesLps · 01-26-2009, 04:17 PM

lol i was on ebay

(future)GibsonRocker · 01-26-2009, 04:23 PM

I love seeing the REALLY obvious fakes that don't even look like LP's

Kølabrennern · 01-26-2009, 07:27 PM

Being one of the few here who owns a mid 90s Korean Epi, I'd just like to add that the knobs on those 90s MIKs don't line up as shown in the photos, they're usually angled "wrong" and a little too far apart from each other. Also, the logo will not be particularly tilted and the pickguard screw is located close to the edge of the guard, as well as lacking thumbwheels on the bridge. And they might have "Gibson" on the truss-rod cover.

Maybe it would be an idea to add that to the first post, Sin?

calibud · 01-26-2009, 08:28 PM

Hey, what happened to the first 2k posts?

vladmaximus · 01-26-2009, 09:59 PM

Sinmastah is the secret agent...not me...
hail sinmastah...
si fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu...
teach me...

hi hi hi hiiiiiiiii....

River · 01-26-2009, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vladmaximus

si fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu...

My universal translator just blew a fuse.

Sinmastah · 01-26-2009, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kølabrennern

Being one of the few here who owns a mid 90s Korean Epi, I'd just like to add that the knobs on those 90s MIKs don't line up as shown in the photos, they're usually angled "wrong" and a little too far apart from each other. Also, the logo will not be particularly tilted and the pickguard screw is located close to the edge of the guard, as well as lacking thumbwheels on the bridge. And they might have "Gibson" on the truss-rod cover.

Maybe it would be an idea to add that to the first post, Sin?

Yeah I still have to add this only applies to new models.

djwilbanks · 01-26-2009, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by River

My universal translator just blew a fuse.

si fu = master, If I'm not mistaken.

River · 01-26-2009, 10:19 PM

Sifu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Lordy be. You learn something new every day, whether you like it or not.

vladmaximus · 01-26-2009, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djwilbanks

si fu = master, If I'm not mistaken.

yerps..
u r right..
in chinese "si fu" mean "master"

hi hi hiii....

if u guys have time..

find a KUNGFU PANDA dvd...

and watch it...

hi hi hiii...

djwilbanks · 01-26-2009, 10:26 PM

You're welcome.

River · 01-26-2009, 10:29 PM

Ok, Vlad, so what's the translation of "hiii"? As opposed to "hi". Is that like a triple umlaut?

djwilbanks · 01-26-2009, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by River

Ok, Vlad, so what's the translation of "hiii"? As opposed to "hi". Is that like a triple umlaut?

This isn't fake epiphones....

Sinmastah · 01-26-2009, 10:41 PM

Sinsifu

Thanks vlad haha.

GNR4EVR · 01-27-2009, 06:52 PM

Right on... I like that...
I smell a new title for Sin coming for under his VIP banner...LOL

Sinmastah · 01-27-2009, 06:56 PM

Hello, my name, Sin Sifu

Judo kick

paul250 · 01-27-2009, 07:01 PM

i started to worry for a minute there as my knobs on my guitar line up like the fake ones, then i read its for newer models!!

great thread btw,

GNR4EVR · 01-27-2009, 07:13 PM

Edit: Taken down temporarily.

vladmaximus · 01-29-2009, 06:47 AM

gosh...
what happen to this thread???

ha ha haaaa....

arigato haitttt...sin sifu...

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01-26-2009, 02:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
Sinmastah Epi Verification Expert Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Minnesota. Posts: 7,921 Thanks: 7 Thanked 227 Times in 41 Posts	The Fake Epiphone Thread II Alright guys, I remade this thread after some debating. Me Gnr and new newly appointed fake hunter Dj are going to run this thread. If you have an inquiry about a guitar post it here, a senior member or one of us will look at it. If you are a junior member please do not tell peoply why you think the guitar is fake, or if you think it is. Senior members may. Vip members may. Me, GnR, and DJ can override any votes, but that doesn’t mean you have to listen to us. If we say it is fake, and you buy it, don’t come crying to us if it is fake. Also guys, please I regulated this first post to show all the information that I am willing to give out at the time. If you have any tips at all to tell us why you think the guitar is fake, PM one of the three of us mentioned. Thanks THIS THREAD'S INFO APPLIES TO CHINESE MADE EPI'S ONLY This picture has a few things wrong with it. Starting with the logo, on the fake it is tilted too much, an also look where the "h" is placed. On the fake it is almost directly below the middle, and on the real it is more to the right. Moving down, you look at the middle right tuner, and you can see that it is way to close to the edge, on the real it has more room. On the real guitar, the tuner does not overlap the binding at all, but on the fake it clearly does. Perhaps this is because of the oversized washers. Again moving down, looking at the TRC, make sure it is roughly the same size, the far left screw should be just below the 5th string (when in playing position). Also make sure the screws are legit size, they look decent in the fake picture though. Lastly on the headstock, it is very clear on the fake that the headstock is skewed, and not cut correctly. The angle of the picture screws this up a little, but you can still tell it is badly cut. Going more into detail, look at the placement of the "h". On the fake it is directly in the middle, but on the real guitar it is more to the right. Looking at the diamond, you can see that if you draw a line on the top of the two top tuners, the diamond should be a tad below that. On the fake it is not even close. This is shown also or the bottom of the two bottom tuners. Now we move to the knobs, which in my oppinion is the easiest way to tell if a guitar is fake. Just do the thing that I did with the lines. If you draw two lines, intersecting the middle of the knobs, not only should they be parallel, but should also be parallel with the neck (Sg's will vary, but will still be parallel). Also look at the bottom of the bridge, if the guitar is in playing position, the knob should be a tab to the left of the bridge (if you are looking at the face of the guitar from across the room). Many fakes seem to be below the bridge. We now look at the pick-guard screw. Fakes generally have the screw very close to the edge of the guard, so look for that. On the real one, you can see it is more in the middle. Also look on the bottom of the photo, see how the pick-guard bends down on the real one? The fake one doesn't bend much. If you look at the upper set of knobs, and draw a line through them, it should intercept the Pick-Guard screw. This should also help in determining where the Pick-guard screw should go, assuming your knobs are correct. ****WARNING SIGNS** Here are a couple things to be cautious of when buying on eBay. 1. The guitar is stated as coming direct from the Epiphone factory. 2. The seller states that he does not have the guitar, and just has pictures from the supplier. 3. Has the Epiphone box in the picture 4. Generic looking pictures 5. Claims the guitar project dater garuntees authenticity. Thanks guys for the support. We are glad to assist MLP by providing this service for anyone. Remember: THIS THREAD'S INFO APPLIES TO CHINESE MADE EPI'S ONLY** __________________ Epiphone Elitist SG Faded Cherry (Tone Mojo'd and WB'd) Faded Cherry Epiphone SG G-400 Flamed Cherry SunBurst Epiphone Les Paul Plus Top Fender Mexi Oly White Strat Squier Natural Vintage M Jazz bass Peavey Classic 50 SG's FTW Last edited by b-squared; 09-15-2009 at 06:58 PM.

01-26-2009, 02:30 PM	#4 (permalink)
GNR4EVR Epi Verification Expert Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern Maryland (No, Im not a SMIB) Posts: 4,298 Thanks: 131 Thanked 65 Times in 12 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II Perfect start, Sin. Should add the vote again, though. That was actually handy for us to determine what people think about the thread so we can gauge needed changes. __________________ MLP FAKE HUNTER 2005 Epiphone Elitist Standard Plus Honeyburst *MOJO-ED!* "If you always do what youve always done then youll always get what youve always got!!"

01-26-2009, 02:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
AdrielTimothealovesLps Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: SG, California Posts: 201 Thanks: 15 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II omg im the only one thats voted... i shall learn the ways and tell people what is fake or not! __________________ awesome I <3 Lps

01-26-2009, 02:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
Sinmastah Epi Verification Expert Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Minnesota. Posts: 7,921 Thanks: 7 Thanked 227 Times in 41 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II I won't vote haha. People will trickle in. And spend time here and you will be able to make informed decisions when you decide what is fake and what is not. __________________ Epiphone Elitist SG Faded Cherry (Tone Mojo'd and WB'd) Faded Cherry Epiphone SG G-400 Flamed Cherry SunBurst Epiphone Les Paul Plus Top Fender Mexi Oly White Strat Squier Natural Vintage M Jazz bass Peavey Classic 50 SG's FTW

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01-26-2009, 03:02 PM	#10 (permalink)
AdrielTimothealovesLps Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: SG, California Posts: 201 Thanks: 15 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II yeah haha i saw the old thread it helped me point out to myself what is fake and what not __________________ awesome I <3 Lps

01-26-2009, 04:15 PM	#11 (permalink)
(future)GibsonRocker Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Summerside, PEI, Canada Posts: 1,354 Thanks: 47 Thanked 67 Times in 20 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II Hehe, I'm gonna go fake hunting now TO EBAY!!! __________________ Click here to make a clicking sound.

01-26-2009, 04:17 PM	#12 (permalink)
AdrielTimothealovesLps Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: SG, California Posts: 201 Thanks: 15 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II lol i was on ebay __________________ awesome I <3 Lps

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(future)GibsonRocker Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Summerside, PEI, Canada Posts: 1,354 Thanks: 47 Thanked 67 Times in 20 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II I love seeing the REALLY obvious fakes that don't even look like LP's __________________ Click here to make a clicking sound.

01-26-2009, 07:27 PM	#14 (permalink)
Kølabrennern Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Ringerike, Norway Posts: 1,274 Thanks: 12 Thanked 21 Times in 6 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II Being one of the few here who owns a mid 90s Korean Epi, I'd just like to add that the knobs on those 90s MIKs don't line up as shown in the photos, they're usually angled "wrong" and a little too far apart from each other. Also, the logo will not be particularly tilted and the pickguard screw is located close to the edge of the guard, as well as lacking thumbwheels on the bridge. And they might have "Gibson" on the truss-rod cover. Maybe it would be an idea to add that to the first post, Sin? __________________ My bands: - Myrkgrav - Folk metal. - Quadrivium - Avant-garde symphonic metal.

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calibud Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 4,505 Thanks: 88 Thanked 147 Times in 22 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II Hey, what happened to the first 2k posts?

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vladmaximus Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: MALAYSIA Posts: 2,009 Thanks: 52 Thanked 22 Times in 12 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II Sinmastah is the secret agent...not me... hail sinmastah... si fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu... teach me... hi hi hi hiiiiiiiii.... __________________ CLICK & WATCH MY VIDEOS ---> http://www.youtube.com/vladmaximus78 PLEASE LEAVE A COMMENT OK..THANKS

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River Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Crestone, Colorado, USA Posts: 12,960 Thanks: 94 Thanked 134 Times in 20 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II Sifu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Lordy be. You learn something new every day, whether you like it or not. __________________ When you don't know where you're going, every road takes you there. And you can't make a wrong turn. Rory Gallagher is "The man who got me back into the blues." - Eric Clapton

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River Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Crestone, Colorado, USA Posts: 12,960 Thanks: 94 Thanked 134 Times in 20 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II Ok, Vlad, so what's the translation of "hiii"? As opposed to "hi". Is that like a triple umlaut? __________________ When you don't know where you're going, every road takes you there. And you can't make a wrong turn. Rory Gallagher is "The man who got me back into the blues." - Eric Clapton

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Sinmastah Epi Verification Expert Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Minnesota. Posts: 7,921 Thanks: 7 Thanked 227 Times in 41 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II Sinsifu Thanks vlad haha. __________________ Epiphone Elitist SG Faded Cherry (Tone Mojo'd and WB'd) Faded Cherry Epiphone SG G-400 Flamed Cherry SunBurst Epiphone Les Paul Plus Top Fender Mexi Oly White Strat Squier Natural Vintage M Jazz bass Peavey Classic 50 SG's FTW

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GNR4EVR Epi Verification Expert Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern Maryland (No, Im not a SMIB) Posts: 4,298 Thanks: 131 Thanked 65 Times in 12 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II Right on... I like that... I smell a new title for Sin coming for under his VIP banner...LOL __________________ MLP FAKE HUNTER 2005 Epiphone Elitist Standard Plus Honeyburst *MOJO-ED!* "If you always do what youve always done then youll always get what youve always got!!"

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Sinmastah Epi Verification Expert Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Minnesota. Posts: 7,921 Thanks: 7 Thanked 227 Times in 41 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II Hello, my name, Sin Sifu Judo kick __________________ Epiphone Elitist SG Faded Cherry (Tone Mojo'd and WB'd) Faded Cherry Epiphone SG G-400 Flamed Cherry SunBurst Epiphone Les Paul Plus Top Fender Mexi Oly White Strat Squier Natural Vintage M Jazz bass Peavey Classic 50 SG's FTW

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paul250 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: essex, england Posts: 78 Thanks: 4 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II i started to worry for a minute there as my knobs on my guitar line up like the fake ones, then i read its for newer models!! great thread btw,

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GNR4EVR Epi Verification Expert Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern Maryland (No, Im not a SMIB) Posts: 4,298 Thanks: 131 Thanked 65 Times in 12 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II Edit: Taken down temporarily. __________________ MLP FAKE HUNTER 2005 Epiphone Elitist Standard Plus Honeyburst *MOJO-ED!* "If you always do what youve always done then youll always get what youve always got!!"

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vladmaximus Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: MALAYSIA Posts: 2,009 Thanks: 52 Thanked 22 Times in 12 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II gosh... what happen to this thread??? ha ha haaaa.... arigato haitttt...sin sifu... __________________ CLICK & WATCH MY VIDEOS ---> http://www.youtube.com/vladmaximus78 PLEASE LEAVE A COMMENT OK..THANKS

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