The Fake Epiphone Thread II - Page 9

GNR4EVR · 02-23-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jett

Hey GNR4EVR, is Alpha fake? What white plug are you talking about? please explain... The Left guitar is a genuine Gibson Classic 07 model verified by Gallins a Gibson retailer here in Sydney where I'm going to take the Epi when I find time. Gallin's Guitars & Musicians Pro Shop :: Home page :: Australia's leading Gibson and Epiphone retail guitar specialists Are you saying that the Gibson is a fake cause the knobs are to lose togerther and that the store got it wrong? or the Epi knobs are to far apart? in comparison to the Gibson?

No, I was just saying they were closer than the other. Your pic didnt tell me which was which, its just something I noticed. And I asked about the pots because I have never seen that before. THe white plug usually shows up in the control cavity of Epiphones as a way to disconnect the wiring inside the cavity, but yours doesnt have it. THe word "Alpha" I have never seen before anywhere, and I am just trying to get some kind of idea where that came from. I dont think Epis have that, but we'll see what people here say. I will do some homework too.

GNR4EVR · 02-23-2009, 05:22 PM

Ok, THe Alpha pots are aftermarket and not stock. If you bought this guitar supposedly new, its fake.

GNR4EVR · 02-23-2009, 05:33 PM

Jett- Also, the pickguard is the wrong size, its too small, the top left branch of the "H" inlay on the headstock is too short, the split in the "O" in the Epiphone name is in the wrong place (should be at 10 oclock position) and I went to his sale page and looked at his other pics of it, the round 3 way switch cover screws are in the wrong position.
Definitely a fake...

You can run, but you cant hide....

I'd report his butt yesterday if not sooner.

Jett · 02-23-2009, 05:36 PM

I really need to take the Epi to Gallins and get it verified. I've always had my doubt about this Epi but it does feel and play nice specialy after sanding the neck lightly cause it was a bit sticky. I wish it had that white plug your talking about? sound like it would make changing the electronis a lot easier with soldering? I'm I right?

Jett · 02-23-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GNR4EVR

Jett- Also, the pickguard is the wrong size, its too small, the top left branch of the "H" inlay on the headstock is too short, the split in the "O" in the Epiphone name is in the wrong place (should be at 10 oclock position) and I went to his sale page and looked at his other pics of it, the round 3 way switch cover screws are in the wrong position.
Definitely a fake...

You can run, but you cant hide....

I'd report his butt yesterday if not sooner.

Sorry I'm at work and didn't see your post before I posted my last one. Would it be to late to give this back for a refund? and how would I report him?

GNR4EVR · 02-23-2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jett

I really need to take the Epi to Gallins and get it verified. I've always had my doubt about this Epi but it does feel and play nice specialy after sanding the neck lightly cause it was a bit sticky. I wish it had that white plug your talking about? sound like it would make changing the electronis a lot easier with soldering? I'm I right?

Provided you get the other end with the new equipment, then yes.
Heres a pic of where the screws on the switch cover are supposed to be straight from Epis website:
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THe bracket that holds the pickguard should only be sticking out exposed about a pinky width or around 1/2 inch and the clearance to the edge of the guitar should only be around 1/2 inch also, that ones around 3/4.

Heres a pic of a true Epi Headstock to show where the split in the "o" should be:

I believe yours is pointing straight up.

And you can see how the inlay is supposed to be.
Be cautious about what the guitar store might say, more often than not, they will think its real, but I can tell its a fake.

GNR4EVR · 02-23-2009, 05:57 PM

You can report him to Ebay at the bottom of the auction page explaining your complaint and if you paid by paypal, you can demand a refund from him and if he doesnt comply, they will give you your money back and get the money from him. If he gives you a drop off address locally, give the address to the authorities if its at a house. More than likely theres a lot more guitars there for them to confiscate.

Jett · 02-23-2009, 06:10 PM

By your observation and these pictures make it a fake.

Jett · 02-23-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GNR4EVR

You can report him to Ebay at the bottom of the auction page explaining your complaint and if you paid by paypal, you can demand a refund from him and if he doesnt comply, they will give you your money back and get the money from him. If he gives you a drop off address locally, give the address to the authorities if its at a house. More than likely theres a lot more guitars there for them to confiscate.

I'll be doing this when I finish work today. I'll keep you upadted...

GNR4EVR · 02-23-2009, 06:36 PM

Ok, sounds good. Looks to me that your pickguard is a newer one than he has on his other pics, so that part is ok. But I think the other stuff is fairly obvious. Let us know how it goes.

PhilMaddocks2k9 · 02-23-2009, 06:59 PM

You guys have all made me totally paranoid now...SO paranoid infact I'm uploading pictures for my Epiphone Les Paul standard I got from soundcontrol in 2005. According to the serial its a MIC 2004 December model. The black scratch plate and and speedknobs r aftermarket. I'm going to transform it back soon.

GNR4EVR · 02-23-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PhilMaddocks2k9

You guys have all made me totally paranoid now...SO paranoid infact I'm uploading pictures for my Epiphone Les Paul standard I got from soundcontrol in 2005. According to the serial its a MIC 2004 December model. The black scratch plate and and speedknobs r aftermarket. I'm going to transform it back soon.

I think youre probably ok, it was made at a China plant that used to be in Korea (Daewon), but to be sure, check all the other items in the forum, the control cavity, the "Epiphone" name on the switch and bridge, the control cavity coated. Can you post pics of those things also?

Lynyrd77Skynyrd · 02-24-2009, 05:09 AM

You guys were saying about the Epiphone logo and the split in the O being at 10o'clock, on my MIK it is at 12o'clock, is that why on the fakes they do it that way? Or is mine a fake lol

PhilMaddocks2k9 · 02-24-2009, 05:23 AM

The control cavity has the coating and it has the white connector in it. Havent checked the bridge or ought yet

GNR4EVR · 02-24-2009, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Lynyrd77Skynyrd

You guys were saying about the Epiphone logo and the split in the O being at 10o'clock, on my MIK it is at 12o'clock, is that why on the fakes they do it that way? Or is mine a fake lol

Oops, double post

GNR4EVR · 02-24-2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Lynyrd77Skynyrd

You guys were saying about the Epiphone logo and the split in the O being at 10o'clock, on my MIK it is at 12o'clock, is that why on the fakes they do it that way? Or is mine a fake lol

No, if you read earlier, the Koreans are exempt from that. A lot of the fakes look to be copied from the Koreans because they seem to have the same characteristics.
We see that split on the fakes a lot.

wookie111 · 02-24-2009, 09:01 PM

Hey people, I'm new to this site so please bear with me! I bought a Black EPI LP Custom about three weeks ago from Long and Mcquaid. It was used but not much at all. Mostly just stored in it's case by the previous onwer. He had purchased it five or six years ago from the same dealer when they were still known as Music Stop. I've looked over most of this thread and have compaired mine with the stated deffects and it looks fine to me. The only thing I can see that worries me is the fact that my head stock seems to be a bit on the canted side. The low E side of the headstock seems to be twisted back a bit. Any info would be great. Thank you to everyone who posts here, all the info is spot on!

GNR4EVR · 02-24-2009, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by wookie111

Hey people, I'm new to this site so please bear with me! I bought a Black EPI LP Custom about three weeks ago from Long and Mcquaid. It was used but not much at all. Mostly just stored in it's case by the previous onwer. He had purchased it five or six years ago from the same dealer when they were still known as Music Stop. I've looked over most of this thread and have compaired mine with the stated deffects and it looks fine to me. The only thing I can see that worries me is the fact that my head stock seems to be a bit on the canted side. The low E side of the headstock seems to be twisted back a bit. Any info would be great. Thank you to everyone who posts here, all the info is spot on!

Its good as far as whether being a fake or not. As far as the low "E" string side of the headstock being slightly twisted? Thats an odd one. Any signs of physical damage at all? I cant say as Ive ever run across a question quite like that one before.

GNR4EVR · 02-24-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PhilMaddocks2k9

The control cavity has the coating and it has the white connector in it. Havent checked the bridge or ought yet

Its sketchy at best, but since it was made at an Ex-Korean factory, Im leaning towards real. I would love to see more guitars from that era from that factory to compare to since we dont see too many "DW" guitars here.

wookie111 · 02-24-2009, 11:01 PM

Great, but as for the headstock issue i've attached a decent piture. Hope this helps explain a bit. Thanks.

GNR4EVR · 02-25-2009, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by wookie111

Great, but as for the headstock issue i've attached a decent piture. Hope this helps explain a bit. Thanks.

Wow. And no cracks in it at all? Thats wierd. I guess it could be moisture warp or something. You should hit up Roman or BCRGreg, they are our resident expert luthiers. I am a bit at a loss with that one. That nut raised up like that to compensate makes it look even more bent.

-=[Shifty]=- · 02-25-2009, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by wookie111

Great, but as for the headstock issue i've attached a decent piture. Hope this helps explain a bit. Thanks.

Well, I'm not an expert but from looking at the picture the headstock looks fine to me. Isn't it possible that the previous owner just filed the nut down??? Just a thought.

PhilMaddocks2k9 · 02-25-2009, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by GNR4EVR

Its sketchy at best, but since it was made at an Ex-Korean factory, Im leaning towards real. I would love to see more guitars from that era from that factory to compare to since we dont see too many "DW" guitars here.

I assume tis real as I brought it from a shop I'm just feeling all paranoid now. I'll have top put some better photos up when we have a nice day outside. Its a lovely guitar and now I wish I had been more careful with it..has a few small dings in it.

GNR4EVR · 02-25-2009, 12:26 PM

Well, if you like it, and it doesnt have a lot of issues, just enjoy it.

-=[Shifty]=- · 02-25-2009, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GNR4EVR

Its sketchy at best, but since it was made at an Ex-Korean factory, Im leaning towards real. I would love to see more guitars from that era from that factory to compare to since we dont see too many "DW" guitars here.

Hey GNR4EVR, I've found an '03 LP Std. from the "DW" factory on ebay here. No pics of the control cavity, but maybe the other pics might help ya.

http://cgi.ebay.de/Epiphone-Les-Paul-Standard-Honey-Burst-Koffer

GNR4EVR · 02-25-2009, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by -=[Shifty]=-

Well, I'm not an expert but from looking at the picture the headstock looks fine to me. Isn't it possible that the previous owner just filed the nut down??? Just a thought.

Actually, mine is raised up on the high "E" end, no idea why, other than it was a setup issue.

GNR4EVR · 02-25-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by -=[Shifty]=-

Hey GNR4EVR, I've found an '03 LP Std. from the "DW" factory on ebay here. No pics of the control cavity, but maybe the other pics might help ya.

http://cgi.ebay.de/Epiphone-Les-Paul-Standard-Honey-Burst-Koffer

Wow, very strange. Phils pickguard has me bugged and so does the neck tone control knob being right up next to the tailpiece, and the split in the "O" pointing down like the KOrean models, then your Ebay posting shows everything right in spite of it being from the same plant and its older?!
I dunno, dont get a warm fuzzy feeling about that one.

purevilpleasure · 02-25-2009, 07:47 PM

Just to say something about the "o", both my MIC and MIK epi's have the opening at the top of the "o".

-=[Shifty]=- · 02-26-2009, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by GNR4EVR

Wow, very strange. Phils pickguard has me bugged and so does the neck tone control knob being right up next to the tailpiece, and the split in the "O" pointing down like the KOrean models, then your Ebay posting shows everything right in spite of it being from the same plant and its older?!
I dunno, dont get a warm fuzzy feeling about that one.

Yes indeed, Phil's pickguard looks strange but he said it was aftermaket, didn't he? He says his guitar was MIC and the guitar I found on ebay is MIK, as you can tell by the Gibson TRC. Maybe his guitar beeing one of the first produced at the chinese Daewon factory might explain the oddities.

PhilMaddocks2k9 · 02-26-2009, 07:09 AM

Yeh the pickguard and the knobs r aftermarket for looks. It is MIC in 2004. I am assuming its real cus I brought it from a shop in derby which then became a soundcontrol (was UK biggest guitar shop chain) I have had it almost 5 years now

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02-23-2009, 05:22 PM	#242 (permalink)
GNR4EVR Epi Verification Expert Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern Maryland (No, Im not a SMIB) Posts: 4,298 Thanks: 131 Thanked 65 Times in 12 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II Ok, THe Alpha pots are aftermarket and not stock. If you bought this guitar supposedly new, its fake. __________________ MLP FAKE HUNTER 2005 Epiphone Elitist Standard Plus Honeyburst *MOJO-ED!* "If you always do what youve always done then youll always get what youve always got!!"

02-23-2009, 05:33 PM	#243 (permalink)
GNR4EVR Epi Verification Expert Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern Maryland (No, Im not a SMIB) Posts: 4,298 Thanks: 131 Thanked 65 Times in 12 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II Jett- Also, the pickguard is the wrong size, its too small, the top left branch of the "H" inlay on the headstock is too short, the split in the "O" in the Epiphone name is in the wrong place (should be at 10 oclock position) and I went to his sale page and looked at his other pics of it, the round 3 way switch cover screws are in the wrong position. Definitely a fake... You can run, but you cant hide.... I'd report his butt yesterday if not sooner. __________________ MLP FAKE HUNTER 2005 Epiphone Elitist Standard Plus Honeyburst *MOJO-ED!* "If you always do what youve always done then youll always get what youve always got!!"

02-23-2009, 05:36 PM	#244 (permalink)
Jett Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 132 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II I really need to take the Epi to Gallins and get it verified. I've always had my doubt about this Epi but it does feel and play nice specialy after sanding the neck lightly cause it was a bit sticky. I wish it had that white plug your talking about? sound like it would make changing the electronis a lot easier with soldering? I'm I right?

02-23-2009, 05:57 PM	#247 (permalink)
GNR4EVR Epi Verification Expert Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern Maryland (No, Im not a SMIB) Posts: 4,298 Thanks: 131 Thanked 65 Times in 12 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II You can report him to Ebay at the bottom of the auction page explaining your complaint and if you paid by paypal, you can demand a refund from him and if he doesnt comply, they will give you your money back and get the money from him. If he gives you a drop off address locally, give the address to the authorities if its at a house. More than likely theres a lot more guitars there for them to confiscate. __________________ MLP FAKE HUNTER 2005 Epiphone Elitist Standard Plus Honeyburst *MOJO-ED!* "If you always do what youve always done then youll always get what youve always got!!"

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02-23-2009, 06:36 PM	#250 (permalink)
GNR4EVR Epi Verification Expert Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern Maryland (No, Im not a SMIB) Posts: 4,298 Thanks: 131 Thanked 65 Times in 12 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II Ok, sounds good. Looks to me that your pickguard is a newer one than he has on his other pics, so that part is ok. But I think the other stuff is fairly obvious. Let us know how it goes. __________________ MLP FAKE HUNTER 2005 Epiphone Elitist Standard Plus Honeyburst *MOJO-ED!* "If you always do what youve always done then youll always get what youve always got!!"

02-23-2009, 06:59 PM	#251 (permalink)
PhilMaddocks2k9 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Derby, UK Posts: 51 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II You guys have all made me totally paranoid now...SO paranoid infact I'm uploading pictures for my Epiphone Les Paul standard I got from soundcontrol in 2005. According to the serial its a MIC 2004 December model. The black scratch plate and and speedknobs r aftermarket. I'm going to transform it back soon.

02-24-2009, 05:23 AM	#254 (permalink)
PhilMaddocks2k9 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Derby, UK Posts: 51 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II The control cavity has the coating and it has the white connector in it. Havent checked the bridge or ought yet

02-25-2009, 12:26 PM	#264 (permalink)
GNR4EVR Epi Verification Expert Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern Maryland (No, Im not a SMIB) Posts: 4,298 Thanks: 131 Thanked 65 Times in 12 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II Well, if you like it, and it doesnt have a lot of issues, just enjoy it. __________________ MLP FAKE HUNTER 2005 Epiphone Elitist Standard Plus Honeyburst *MOJO-ED!* "If you always do what youve always done then youll always get what youve always got!!"

02-25-2009, 07:47 PM	#268 (permalink)
purevilpleasure Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Iowa Posts: 612 Thanks: 6 Thanked 25 Times in 3 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II Just to say something about the "o", both my MIC and MIK epi's have the opening at the top of the "o".

02-26-2009, 07:09 AM	#270 (permalink)
PhilMaddocks2k9 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Derby, UK Posts: 51 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread II Yeh the pickguard and the knobs r aftermarket for looks. It is MIC in 2004. I am assuming its real cus I brought it from a shop in derby which then became a soundcontrol (was UK biggest guitar shop chain) I have had it almost 5 years now

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