Be cautious offering advice

GNR4EVR · 12-09-2008, 03:48 PM

Folks, be careful when passing judgement on peoples guitars, as to whether theyre fake or not, The KOrean ones LOOK a lot like the fakes being made, but they are NOT fake. Im starting to see folks telling others their guitars are fake when they arent.

djwilbanks · 12-09-2008, 04:02 PM

+1

kjlugo · 12-09-2008, 04:04 PM

Agree....

Extremerocker827 · 12-09-2008, 04:10 PM

Yeah, thats really important to consider. Not JUST for fake or not, but as well as repair your guitar or upgrading it. If you said, for a bad example, that glue would help lubricate the nut or something(disregard that), the person might attempt it, and maybe end up screwing the guitar up. Only offer advice if you KNOW it works and you've seen it done, or you are an expert in that field. If someone is not expeirenced in DIY and asks for repairing something involving the truss rod on a 1000 dollar guitar, that could be REAL bad...

KP · 12-09-2008, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GNR4EVR

Folks, be careful when passing judgement on peoples guitars, as to whether theyre fake or not, The KOrean ones LOOK a lot like the fakes being made, but they are NOT fake. Im starting to see folks telling others their guitars are fake when they arent.

+100

Words to live by people......

diceman · 12-09-2008, 04:19 PM

Yeah, I agree 100%.

Epiphones have been made by MANY different factories in SEVERAL different countries. They are bound to vary a little bit.

jomo · 12-09-2008, 04:28 PM

Yeah, I even had someone sat my Epi Custom was fake when I was selling it. Sinmastah was the one that vouched it was real. So I agree, if you don't know what you are talking about, don't talk. Someone mentioned possibly leaving the forum because of this the other day.

peter679 · 12-09-2008, 04:42 PM

It was my guitar, and I don't think it was done maliciously, but I totally understand what is being said.

djwilbanks · 12-09-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by peter679

It was my guitar, and I don't think it was done maliciously, but I totally understand what is being said.

Nah, not just yours, but many.

A lot of people think they are fake experts. I've seen certain people in the fake epi thread crying fake when there wasn't one.

steamboat willy · 12-09-2008, 04:54 PM

Erm...I think this might be a fake thread guys?

steamboat willy · 12-09-2008, 04:55 PM

Anyway the one thing I do know is Jomo IS faking it - nobody could be doing it every time I sign on

lp_junkie · 12-09-2008, 04:59 PM

I agree and it is usually inexperienced players that haven't seen all the different variants out there. So I agree unless you know what you are talking about don't respond except to ask questions.

GNR4EVR · 12-09-2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by steamboat willy

Anyway the one thing I do know is Jomo IS faking it - nobody could be doing it every time I sign on

lol... I just dont want to arouse needless panic and cause hate & discontent when the intent is to help people, not hurt.

calibud · 12-09-2008, 05:21 PM

thatd be my fault.
drop the blame on me for that.
i wasnt 100% sure, but i thought i had seen the mik ones. it just didnt look right on the headstock that and the knobs were misaligned, or so i thought. i guess the mik i saw wasnt mik after all.

River · 12-09-2008, 05:27 PM

Most of us have probably pushed beyond the boundaries of our knowledge and experience at one time or another. We do it in person, and we do it here. And we learn. Boy, do we learn. I know more about pickguards now than I care to. Oh, and topwrapping.

calibud · 12-09-2008, 05:39 PM

well i think ill honestly go down to that mom and pop shop where the guy told me it was mik and take some pics and bring them back to see what up with it. cuz what he showed me was a few years old but it doesnt look the same at all.

GNR4EVR · 12-09-2008, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by calibud

thatd be my fault.
drop the blame on me for that.
i wasnt 100% sure, but i thought i had seen the mik ones. it just didnt look right on the headstock that and the knobs were misaligned, or so i thought. i guess the mik i saw wasnt mik after all.

Thats ok... Theres more than just one doing it.. And I would have to believe you did it with every intent of helping.
I have made quite a few bad calls in the Fake Epi thread and ended up munching humble pie over it, but I keep learning too.
We just have to be careful. I would hate to think someone buys an Epi online, happy with their choice, gets confirmed its real (or fake), finds out different later. I know I wouldnt be too happy about that.
After learning that tough lesson, I take my sweet time, unless its something I know about already.

GNR4EVR · 12-09-2008, 05:46 PM

One guy I made a bad call on had an online store and that was his source of income, we reported him as selling fakes. Ebay thankfully was slow to react in the beginning & didnt react to it, but it turned out that the guy was buying guitars with factory defects that MADE them look fake, & the thought never entered our minds. I felt like crap, the guy, was very patient and kind over it all, but let us know that his reputation was on the line and Ebay wouldnt hesitate to ruin him.
We buried the hatchet and moved on.
The damage couldve been a lot worse, but we learned a lot.
I make it a point to be very careful about making calls unless I am 100% sure. I dont want to injure anyone by doing this, which is intended to help all concerned.

calibud · 12-09-2008, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GNR4EVR

One guy I made a bad call on had an online store and that was his source of income, we reported him as selling fakes. Ebay thankfully was slow to react in the beginning & didnt react to it, but it turned out that the guy was buying guitars with factory defects that MADE them look fake, & the thought never entered our minds. I felt like crap, the guy, was very patient and kind over it all, but let us know that his reputation was on the line and Ebay wouldnt hesitate to ruin him.
We buried the hatchet and moved on.
The damage couldve been a lot worse, but we learned a lot.
I make it a point to be very careful about making calls unless I am 100% sure. I dont want to injure anyone by doing this, which is intended to help all concerned.

wow thats a story.
well maybe this week ill get down to this guys shop and see if he still has that epi. cuz i only picked it up cuz it was an lp. ill take some pics and pop them in the fake thread. cuz i was sure he said it was mik and i thought it looked pretty legit. but then again what do i know right.

GNR4EVR · 12-09-2008, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by calibud

wow thats a story.
well maybe this week ill get down to this guys shop and see if he still has that epi. cuz i only picked it up cuz it was an lp. ill take some pics and pop them in the fake thread. cuz i was sure he said it was mik and i thought it looked pretty legit. but then again what do i know right.

lol, np..

lifele55 · 12-09-2008, 07:13 PM

Good thread GNR..

Although there are ways to tell an obvious fake from a legit, eg. direct shipping from China, sometimes we, including me, might have jumped to conclusions too fast. The Koreans, especially those late 80's model with the tapered headstocks will definitely be called out fake by anyone who's not seen it..

One guitar I was hesitant about calling out fake was ZeroGravity's MIJ custom with the normal epi headstock, but it turns out to be legit, and pretty darn rare!

07 Epiphone Japan limited LQ

dennistruckdriver · 12-09-2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by River

Most of us have probably pushed beyond the boundaries of our knowledge and experience at one time or another......

Yeah! It happens to me daily! But I use it as a learning experience!

vladmaximus · 12-10-2008, 01:18 AM

hell yeah...i agree 100%...
thats why so many people is curious about their korean Epi...
hmmm...

Studiolite · 12-10-2008, 06:37 PM

Only advice I ever offer, other than electrical (I'm an electrician so a little qualified here) is to find people in your area with more experience, and if you like how it plays who gives a hotdamn where it came from? It's Your Guitar, you can have as many or as few as you like (All Hail Bob Ross, creator of Happy Trees and a soothing voice on PBS during hangover sunday)

IndianScout · 12-10-2008, 06:53 PM

agreed, whether a guitar is fake or not, it's only as good as the person playing it..

people need to learn to play the GUITAR and not the name on the HEADSTOCK ! ! !

BCRGreg · 12-10-2008, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Extremerocker827

Yeah, thats really important to consider. Not JUST for fake or not, but as well as repair your guitar or upgrading it. If you said, for a bad example, that glue would help lubricate the nut or something(disregard that), the person might attempt it, and maybe end up screwing the guitar up. Only offer advice if you KNOW it works and you've seen it done, or you are an expert in that field. If someone is not expeirenced in DIY and asks for repairing something involving the truss rod on a 1000 dollar guitar, that could be REAL bad...

Thank YOU for saying that.

I have three headstock repairs that I am doing right now that are taking longer because some clown decided to do it himself on one and the other two were done "professionally" by blind golfers in a windstorm.....

IndianScout · 12-10-2008, 07:11 PM

^^^ lolz

F O R E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Duck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sony Oengui · 12-10-2008, 08:01 PM

Yes. But more important I believe, be cautious TAKING advice.

GNR4EVR · 12-10-2008, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sony Oengui

Yes. But more important I believe, be cautious TAKING advice.

Agreed. Of course, the only bad advise is the one taken blindly- The idea is to give enough "multiple choices" to pick from to get a right answer but in the end, its your OWN name on the top of the paper and youll be stuck with whatever you choose. I do, however, care about a name on a headstock, since weve had some imitation guitars in here that had no trussrod at all in them, but looked nice on the outside and have had crappy electronics so they sounded like beating on an old metal trashcan in a concert hall. I just think of those folks and what theyre stuck with if they made a bad choice..makes one shudder a bit..

River · 12-10-2008, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sony Oengui

Yes. But more important I believe, be cautious TAKING advice.

Right. If you're serious about getting advice, you will spend the time (minutes, compared to years in the pre-Internet days) evaluating who is giving the advice.

If you want advice you can bank on, be prepared to provide a credit card number.

12-09-2008, 03:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
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Extremerocker827 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 818 Thanks: 16 Thanked 11 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Be cautious offering advice Yeah, thats really important to consider. Not JUST for fake or not, but as well as repair your guitar or upgrading it. If you said, for a bad example, that glue would help lubricate the nut or something(disregard that), the person might attempt it, and maybe end up screwing the guitar up. Only offer advice if you KNOW it works and you've seen it done, or you are an expert in that field. If someone is not expeirenced in DIY and asks for repairing something involving the truss rod on a 1000 dollar guitar, that could be REAL bad... __________________ GEAR: Epiphone Les Paul Standard Plus Top(Cherry Sunburst) Dunlop GCB-95 Wah Pedal Fender Super Champ XD(15 watts) Digitech RP200A MultiEffects Pedal(For Sale) Check out my playing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeCmzk8BgSw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4n8tHNakEw

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diceman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Montana Posts: 29,930 Thanks: 1,212 Thanked 419 Times in 83 Posts	Re: Be cautious offering advice Yeah, I agree 100%. Epiphones have been made by MANY different factories in SEVERAL different countries. They are bound to vary a little bit.

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jomo MLP Ninja Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nashville Posts: 10,914 Thanks: 277 Thanked 339 Times in 83 Posts	Re: Be cautious offering advice Yeah, I even had someone sat my Epi Custom was fake when I was selling it. Sinmastah was the one that vouched it was real. So I agree, if you don't know what you are talking about, don't talk. Someone mentioned possibly leaving the forum because of this the other day. __________________

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peter679 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Southern Jersey dreaming of Southern Cal! Posts: 2,404 Thanks: 133 Thanked 64 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Be cautious offering advice It was my guitar, and I don't think it was done maliciously, but I totally understand what is being said. __________________ I sit in my cube all damn day and can't wait to get home and play... I pick up my guitar and realize that all bs from the day has messed up my head and now I can't play, no soul left. The Big Guys' cruel joke on me.. EVERYDAY!

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steamboat willy Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 313 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Be cautious offering advice Anyway the one thing I do know is Jomo IS faking it - nobody could be doing it every time I sign on __________________ Epiphone Les Paul Standard Plus Top Honeyburst Epiphone Sheraton II Fender MIM 50s Classic Player Stratocaster (Sunburst) Fender MIM 60s Classic Player Stratocaster (Sonic Blue) Fender Telecaster 50s Re-issue (Home built from Japanese parts) Faith Venus Hi-Gloss electro-Acoustic Stella Harmony Parlour Vintage 4 string bass (Stingray copy) Fender Blues Deluxe Reissue Vox AC30 30th Anniversary Limited Edition THD Hot Plate Vox Tonelab LE

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lp_junkie Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 10,561 Thanks: 66 Thanked 238 Times in 53 Posts	Re: Be cautious offering advice I agree and it is usually inexperienced players that haven't seen all the different variants out there. So I agree unless you know what you are talking about don't respond except to ask questions. __________________ --------------------------------------------------- Shane Just a guitar bum...........

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calibud Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 4,509 Thanks: 88 Thanked 150 Times in 23 Posts	Re: Be cautious offering advice thatd be my fault. drop the blame on me for that. i wasnt 100% sure, but i thought i had seen the mik ones. it just didnt look right on the headstock that and the knobs were misaligned, or so i thought. i guess the mik i saw wasnt mik after all.

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River Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Rural Colorado, USA Posts: 54,522 Thanks: 744 Thanked 847 Times in 77 Posts	Re: Be cautious offering advice Most of us have probably pushed beyond the boundaries of our knowledge and experience at one time or another. We do it in person, and we do it here. And we learn. Boy, do we learn. I know more about pickguards now than I care to. Oh, and topwrapping. __________________ River Bottom Blues Band - Music Home of the River Bottom Blues Band

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calibud Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 4,509 Thanks: 88 Thanked 150 Times in 23 Posts	Re: Be cautious offering advice well i think ill honestly go down to that mom and pop shop where the guy told me it was mik and take some pics and bring them back to see what up with it. cuz what he showed me was a few years old but it doesnt look the same at all.

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GNR4EVR Epi Verification Expert Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern Maryland (No, Im not a SMIB) Posts: 7,208 Thanks: 318 Thanked 330 Times in 57 Posts	Re: Be cautious offering advice One guy I made a bad call on had an online store and that was his source of income, we reported him as selling fakes. Ebay thankfully was slow to react in the beginning & didnt react to it, but it turned out that the guy was buying guitars with factory defects that MADE them look fake, & the thought never entered our minds. I felt like crap, the guy, was very patient and kind over it all, but let us know that his reputation was on the line and Ebay wouldnt hesitate to ruin him. We buried the hatchet and moved on. The damage couldve been a lot worse, but we learned a lot. I make it a point to be very careful about making calls unless I am 100% sure. I dont want to injure anyone by doing this, which is intended to help all concerned. __________________ 2005 Epiphone Elitist Standard Plus Honeyburst *MOJO-ED!* Dean Hardtail Red Tiger Fender squire Bass Morell jumbo accoustic Marshall Micro Stack

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lifele55 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Reddot Singapore Posts: 3,298 Thanks: 83 Thanked 10 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Be cautious offering advice Good thread GNR.. Although there are ways to tell an obvious fake from a legit, eg. direct shipping from China, sometimes we, including me, might have jumped to conclusions too fast. The Koreans, especially those late 80's model with the tapered headstocks will definitely be called out fake by anyone who's not seen it.. One guitar I was hesitant about calling out fake was ZeroGravity's MIJ custom with the normal epi headstock, but it turns out to be legit, and pretty darn rare! 07 Epiphone Japan limited LQ __________________ https://soundcloud.com/achillespecies/session-10-light-normal https://www.facebook.com/CutOutHeroes

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Studiolite Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 197 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Be cautious offering advice Only advice I ever offer, other than electrical (I'm an electrician so a little qualified here) is to find people in your area with more experience, and if you like how it plays who gives a hotdamn where it came from? It's Your Guitar, you can have as many or as few as you like (All Hail Bob Ross, creator of Happy Trees and a soothing voice on PBS during hangover sunday) __________________ List of my Axes 2009 Cort Classical, Modified to start learning Flamenco on. Great Fretwork. 2008 Francisco Navarro Flamenca Blanca. Awesome. 2006 Gibson Les Paul Studio 2005 Epiphone Les Paul '56 RI 2008 Stratocaster build from parts 1987 Alvarez Acoustic 1958 F-Hole Kay (no idea it's real name, but I love this guitar)

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IndianScout Bartlett Retrospec Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: North Dakota Posts: 2,029 Thanks: 43 Thanked 80 Times in 41 Posts	Re: Be cautious offering advice agreed, whether a guitar is fake or not, it's only as good as the person playing it.. people need to learn to play the GUITAR and not the name on the HEADSTOCK ! ! !

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