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Unread 07-13-2012, 04:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Epiphone vs Agile (...of the same price)

Guys, i am very curious as to what you think about a direct A/B test, when it comes to value for money ?

Now i know this is an Epipnone Forum, and most of the Epi guys will shout EPIPHONE, but to me, it looks like the Agile (see specs) can give the same priced Epi a massive run for its money.

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ?


Agile AL-3010 Rootbeer Spalted - RondoMusic.com - $429.00

Epiphone Les Paul PlusTop PRO Electric Guitar Wine Red | Musician's Friend - Sunburst = $429.00




Root Beer Agile : (nicer colour of the two - imho)


Solid mahogany (not a multi-ply!) arch top body
Graph Tech NVS2 Bridge with String Saver saddles
High quality Spalted Maple Top!
Triple bound body, and headstock. Single binding on neck.
Chrome hardware, including die-cast Grover tuners with 18-1 turning ratio for ultra fine tuning (Model 102-18N)
Two Type V Alnico humbucker pickups for warm, tradional sound
The AL-3000 now comes with improved wiring (single conductor braided 18 gauge American wire for pickups), improved pots (now higher voltage with brass shafts for reduced noise) and an improved pickup selector switch
Two volume and two tone controls, plus a three way pickup selector switch
One piece Mahogany set neck with 13.7" (350mm) radius neck for fast play and adjustable truss rod
Ebony fretboard with 22 Jumbo Frets and real Abalone Trapezodial inlays
The AL-3000 features GHS strings installed at the factory and a professionally cut Graph Tech Tusq Nut
Individually hand filed frets for professional feel and playability
Width of the neck at the nut: 1 5/8"; at the 21st fret: 2 3/16"
Neck taper/thickness at the 1st fret: 21.5 mm; at the 12th fret: 23.5mm
Overall length: 40"; Scale length: 24.7"
Body thickness: 2" at edge; Width at the widest point: 13"
Actual Weight is only 10 lbs




. . . VS . . .



Epi Plus Top Pro :


Mahogany body
Carved flamed maple top
24.75" Scale set-in mahogany neck
Rosewood fretboard
22 Medium jumbo frets
ProBucker 2 neck humbucker with coil-split
ProBucker 3 bridge humbucker with coil-split
LockTone™ tune-o-matic bridge
LockTone™ stopbar tailpiece
Grover tuners


It just seems to me that when you start compairing the two, the Agile punch way above it's weight !

What do you say ?
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Re: Epiphone vs Agile (...of the same price)

People say the Agile 3000 are really good guitars. And actually, if you would have posted the specs without listing brand, I would choose the Agile. I often look at them to buy one myself, and still want one, but I cant get past the nub of a horn. That kills it for me.

But with the Agile, it is supposed to have upgraded electronics already, but I don't know how good the pickups are. With the Epiphone, people will recommend that you upgrade the switch and pots when you can.

In the end, I say get which ever one that you like the best. Both should be fine.
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Re: Epiphone vs Agile (...of the same price)

Based on my taste (and owning an Epi aswell), I'd choose the Agile.
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Re: Epiphone vs Agile (...of the same price)

Yeah, the Agile is a nice guitar. I'm not one to brand hoard, so it's value for $$$ to me. The problem would be brand recognition for beginner guitarists, so they're more than likely to pick Epiphone at that price range.

In that light, Agile is going for the experienced guitarist that has learned that the best quality doesn't always come with a name. I'd have to hold one and look closely to see any quality differences, but so far, the Agile seems a bit of a cut above. Good post.
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Re: Epiphone vs Agile (...of the same price)

On paper, both of them are great. Agile looks really good IMO.

But as always, I'd not buy a guitar without testing it. So if you get the chance and find both in a store, compare them and see which one suits you.

Hope you make the right choice and be happy with the result.
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Re: Epiphone vs Agile (...of the same price)

Only held/played a few epi's in store's while shopping and at that time they were out of my(300-400$) price range. I've had this AL3000 (GoldTop) for 7yrs haven't changed anything on it. And at one time or another i've owned 7-8 Agile's in total.

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If Agile would bring back the Silverburst in the 3000 series and have Ebony with MOP inlays, I'd buy it!
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If Agile would bring back the Silverburst in the 3000 series and have Ebony with MOP inlays, I'd buy it!
I believe he had some in stock not too long ago.


to the OP.. Ive owned many epi's and yeah at first it was brand recognition that brought me there. Now after 15 years I want the best guitar for my money. My 3 agiles (3100, 3100 semi custom, and 3200 semi custom) smoke everything in the epiphone stable and pretty much anything anywhere near their price range. I think most of the newer epi's ive played feel cheap in comparison.
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Re: Epiphone vs Agile (...of the same price)

Agiles don't even look like a Les Paul.......

and you can't play them before buying

so NO !
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I believe he had some in stock not too long ago.


to the OP.. Ive owned many epi's and yeah at first it was brand recognition that brought me there. Now after 15 years I want the best guitar for my money. My 3 agiles (3100, 3100 semi custom, and 3200 semi custom) smoke everything in the epiphone stable and pretty much anything anywhere near their price range. I think most of the newer epi's ive played feel cheap in comparison.
They must have sold out quick! I just sent an email asking for when they will be back in stock and was told by fall.

I have too many electrics as it is now. I can't see me buying another one.
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Re: Epiphone vs Agile (...of the same price)

I've never played one of those Agiles, Dont see too many over in the UK but they get good reviews everywhere i look, I'm really liking that Rootbeer Spalted top. Stunning.
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People say the Agile 3000 are really good guitars. And actually, if you would have posted the specs without listing brand, I would choose the Agile. I often look at them to buy one myself, and still want one, but I cant get past the nub of a horn. That kills it for me.

But with the Agile, it is supposed to have upgraded electronics already, but I don't know how good the pickups are. With the Epiphone, people will recommend that you upgrade the switch and pots when you can.

In the end, I say get which ever one that you like the best. Both should be fine.

I am not too worried about pick ups, as all my guitars have after market units.

Not in the market foe an AL-series (just asked the question out of curiosity), but i do have GAS for a Valkyrie - reminds me of Kim Thyail's Guild


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...I'm really liking that Rootbeer Spalted top. Stunning.
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IMO, value for the money- the Agile is generally a better guitar out of the box.
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They must have sold out quick!

I just sent an email asking for when they will be back in stock and was told by fall.

I have too many electrics as it is now. I can't see me buying another one.
Rondo did have a very sexy AL-something last year that i really wanted, but that was last year, and i have not seen that model since
I did save the pic somewhere, i'll see if i can find it. It was a beautifull natural finnish !
Better looking that ANY Epi i have ever seen !
Reminded me of a Gibson R8 plain top, i kid you not
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Re: Epiphone vs Agile (...of the same price)

Agile FTW! High quality guitars.

Check the search boxi for Agiles Thread

BTW Brian Way's review says it all!


Guitars With Jon Way Episode 17 Agile AL3000 - YouTube



Kurt's return policy from Rondo Music is really nice.
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This guitar with a Duncan '59 (b) / A2P (n) = YES PLEASE !!!

(with an aged nickle cover on the neck - uncovered on the bridge, ala Page)
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Re: Epiphone vs Agile (...of the same price)

Do some reading on the Agile forum. Based on that and private chats with some folks here, I would not take my chances on an Agile unless I wanted an affordable configuration I could only get from them.
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Just found this . . . i have not looked at it myself yet !


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You'll get much more "Love & Understanding" at the Agile forum............

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. . . OK, i'll admit, the Epi does sound better, but it is beacause the Epi has my fav Duncan 'buckers, the A2P set
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Rondo did have a very sexy AL-something last year that i really wanted, but that was last year, and i have not seen that model since
I did save the pic somewhere, i'll see if i can find it. It was a beautifull natural finnish !
Better looking that ANY Epi i have ever seen !
Reminded me of a Gibson R8 plain top, i kid you not
OK, here we go . . . the one AL that i do have GAS for :

Agile AL-3100 HSB Plain Bigsby at RondoMusic.com


RS Guitar Works electronics, and a set of Duncan A2P's and i will keep this one for ever !
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Re: Epiphone vs Agile (...of the same price)

I bought my Epi Les Paul because I wanted a Les Paul, not some wannabe from a company that doesn't have the talent to create their own unique looking guitar. I won't say what an Agile looks like to me because it would be extremely politically incorrect and may insult some people. I also like to play a guitar before purchasing it, something that's impossible to do with an Agile.

If I wanted a good quality guitar that sounds and plays great, other than an Epi or Gibson, there are plenty of choices on the market from other manufacturers who put out guitars that have their own look and who don't have to try and cash in on others' designs.
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Re: Epiphone vs Agile (...of the same price)

Rondo makes some nice guitars, although the setup work (or lack thereof) leaves something to be desired. If you find one with the specs you want, they're a great deal.

Keep in mind that if you're looking for a guitar that feels like a Les Paul, nothing but a Les Paul (Epi or Gibson) will do. The Agile has a flatter fretboard, and some other little details will likely be a bit "off." I've got a Douglas Tele copy that I like quite a bit. It's a nice sounding and playing guitar (and I got it dirt cheap), but it doesn't feel anything like an actual Fender. The neck is just too modern.

If you don't plan on keeping the guitar forever, you may have better luck selling the Epi down the road, for what that's worth.
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I bought my Epi Les Paul because I wanted a Les Paul, not some wannabe from a company that doesn't have the talent to create their own unique looking guitar.
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Re: Epiphone vs Agile (...of the same price)

My Agile ain't never done me no harm





AL3000, my baby, she answers to both Ashley and Jenna . While it's true that you can't test drive an Agile before hand, Rondo has a great return policy if need be. Fortunately I didn't need to send it back, and it is a pain to have to do so, but the option is there if necessary.

It's heavy though, mine's 10 pounds. I've been playing my Strat recently, and it's great to be able to play a guitar for an extended amount of time without back pain though. Still though, it's a great guitar - the Epi is no slouch, but I'd recommend Agile every time.

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You'll get much more "Love & Understanding" at the Agile forum............

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I forgot to add that it would have to be a guitar that makes me want to play it, not laugh at it. If I wanted a ridiculous looking guitar, I'd buy a warlock or something.
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They're alright, they're not total garbage or anything.

Thin flat necks, and the top carve is pretty much non-existent (like the horn.) So it doesn't feel like an LP at all. Not to mention both of mine were stupid heavy, like 11-12 lbs.

Better stock pups and wires (the pups are similar to Gibson 57's, at least to my ears.)

I still would replace the pots with ones that aren't pot metal.

And I had to go through 4 bridges to make 1 that didn't wobble or have loose parts. ( I bought 2 AL3100's, both of them had problem bridges, Kurt sent 2 more bridges. Out of 4 bridges I could build 1 that worked the way it was supposed to,....think about that.)

Both necks had cracked fretboards, when I complained to Rondo I was told they're just scratches and put some 'Fast Fret' on it and it'll be fine.

Or I could've just returned both guitars.

Well,...I bought the guitars and booked studio time to do session work "With an LP." Well,....I couldn't return them because I had a job coming up. And I couldn't cancel the studio time because that makes me look bad and I wont get called back.

I asked for a partial refund or discount on one of the cheaper AL's (a 2000) because I figured if I got a good discount on one of them I could leave it in my studio for students to use, and I'd have a cheap beater LP for others to mess with, and then I'd just sell the 3100's after the studio gig. Rondo wouldn't give me any discount at all, the only answer was to send the guitars back, which I couldn't do. I was stuck.

End of the day I just had to eat it and smile.

After a year or two I sold both of them and stuck with (modded/upgraded) Epiphones. They just feel better to me.


Selling both guitars later (which cost about $1,000 total new) I didn't even make $500 off the 2 of them + cases.

I would never buy another Agile guitar or endorse Rondo. Left a horrible taste in my mouth dealing with them and I basically felt like I just threw my money away. I wasn't happy in any way and the only good thing that happened was I was able to do the job, make them happy, and got called back for more work.

As a playing professional they sold me messed up guitars and it really screwed me up and screwed up a job I had lined up. Things like that I don't quickly forget.

If you just want to spend a couple hundred bucks and have a beater to throw around your apartment and kick under the couch when company comes over? They're fine guitars.

If you're a professional working with time crunches and such, I'd stay away from them, they're just not professional. They wouldn't talk with or deal with me in any professional capacity. No phone calls, only emails,...and every complaint or request was answered with a couple words or a sarcastic sentence. (I've been playing 25 years and you're telling me to put Fast-Fret on a crack to fix it?!?!)

Basically I get the impression they feel if they throw enough sh*t at the wall, some of it will stick. I don't find that to be a good business model. I think it's bullsh*t the guitars aren't checked AT ALL before they're shipped to you. There is NO GUARANTEE the guitar will work. If you don't like it? Send it back. That's pretty much it.

That's not professional to me. That's selling cheap guitars to unsuspecting people and having them be the QC and have to deal with any issues. That's BS.

I've talked with Silverstar/Un-sung, (where the Agiles are built)...these guitars are cheap people. Cheap! Rondo makes a killing on them, so to say they can't afford someone to check the guitars before they're shipped out is total crap. It's a cash grab,..and it's a successful one. The man has figured out his market and caters to them and obviously is doing well for himself. I just don't think it's a place for professional musicians. Even the website looks like an old Geocities site or something. The whole thing is just done and run 'on the cheap', and I don't like that.

They have tons of fans and are very popular, and saying anything negative against them can bring you the wrath of all of them (which sucks.)

But I've always relayed my experience with them truthfully and honestly, take it or leave it. Some people hate to hear it and get defensive, other people have had similar experiences and wont talk about it so as to not bring down the ire of the 'fanbois', but it is what it is. (I've gotten plenty of PM's from people in private who tell me they also had similar experiences but don't want to talk about it online because the fanbase can be brutal. Awesome. )

I believe I can't go wrong by telling the truth. If other people have issues with it then so be it.

Good luck with whatever you decide.
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Thanks for talking me of the ledge!!!! Everytime I think of getting an Agile, I need a good smacking, lol.

And like you said, they may suite some, but I'm a Gibson/Epiphone man, and buying this wouldn't leave me satisfied. There is something off. Same would go for if I was looking at their Septor/Interceptor models; I would just get an Schector or ESP instead.
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