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Unread 09-06-2007, 05:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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how to spot fake epis

i was wondering how to spot a fake epi anyone know???? i can spat a gibby fake but not an epi
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Unread 09-09-2007, 10:17 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: how to spot fake epis

I don't believe I've ever seen a fake Epi. Usually the fakes are of higher end guitars. The fakes are from China, and are similar to Epiphones from what I've read. I don't know why a counterfieter would copy a $500 Epiphone, all they would be able to sell it for would be $500. It doesn't make any sense. Unless it were an Elitist, even then there selling price would not be as much as some more expensive guitars.
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Scozz I do not know how to spot fakes , but I do know how to spot old friends. How are you , turned pro- golfer yet. Still using stock pups in that Dot of yours. do I have to say IMO here as well LOL

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Re: how to spot fake epis

Whass up slinger???? Nice to hear from you!! I see you found this nice forum too. Yeah I still got the stock pickups in my Dot, I have to, YOU told me, and everybody else that Epi pups were fine!! lol. It really is good to hear from you, hope all is well with you. I guess I'll be seeing you around here, thats cool! IMO.
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Slinger ??? never heard of that guy LOL good to see you are here as well
Seems like a great forum to be involved with. Not much new on my end, getting ready for Winter, you wouldn't know what that is like would you.LOL
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Re: how to spot fake epis

As far as fakes go I suppose ,if they are really good fakes a person couldn't tell. Things to look for would be out of place logos serial #s that are funny or missing. But then again serial #s can be or look legit. The best way to tell if a purchase being made on line, is fake or not, might be to post a pic. for members to look at. The best way to buy a real Epi is to get one from a authorised dealer.
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Re: how to spot fake epis

well ive been into guitars for a while know ive always seen fake gibson info just wonderin i have several epis and I always go to guitar center to purches my better guitars so scozz and overdriver how long have u been members ???
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well ive been into guitars for a while know ive always seen fake gibson info just wonderin i have several epis and I always go to guitar center to purches my better guitars so scozz and overdriver how long have u been members ???
I have just joined this month, just found out about this great forum . Have been playing since 68 , I am 54. Have been kicking around other forums and do use some others as well. I have never heard of any definitive things to look for which help a person spot a fake Epi, except for obvious out of place things and serial #s or weird difference. A lot of talk on fakes at the Epi forum do a search if you like. But IMO no hard and fast rules of thumb other than what I have already talked of. Cheers
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Re: how to spot fake epis

guys, before you slander Epi fakes... be sure the fakes aren't better than the Epis! lol...

As silly as it seems., copies nowadays are made exceptionally well!
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Snakebite:Was that joke ? LOL don't get it man or 500 bucks for a set of newly manufactured pups LOL Though Gibson owners could consider any Epi LP a fake ,IMO the same can be said of anything less than Gibson VOS LP models.at best
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well ive been into guitars for a while know ive always seen fake gibson info just wonderin i have several epis and I always go to guitar center to purches my better guitars so scozz and overdriver how long have u been members ???
Greetings lp junior freak,...I too have been on other forums for a while like overdriver, and I am new to this one. I am 51 years old and have been playing since 1968 also. (wow! too much in common with overdriver, lol)

Hey overdriver,...you sound a bit jealous, lol. I have only lived in Florida for a little over a year. I lived all of my previous years in Connecticut, so I am well aware of winter living. I had enough of it, so here I am in sunny Florida. I have a picture in my kitchen of myself shoveling 2 feet of snow off my deck in Connecticut just to remind myself. Last January and February when it was 70 degrees here, I would watch the news from up north and see everyone digging out in freezing tempertures!! It was great! This winter I'll be thinking of you! lol, lol
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Go ahead laugh you ,you ****** ****I cant say it I be banned, Hope a Gator eats your left hand, LOL Take care you lucky Bastard.
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Re: how to spot fake epis

Hey guys,
I'm a newbie...
just bought an Epi Les Paul Custom online and was wondering what the serial number should look like?
i dont think its a fake.. but would like to confirm it you know... i'd be spewin if it was. mind u it plays awesome, looks hot and sounds sweet.
the only reason i have to believe it might not be is that another person who bought from the same guy believes his could be.
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Re: how to spot fake epis

I forgot how many numbers its supposed to have since I'm at work now, but it should go like EE07012345 or something like that?

The Guitar Dater Project - Epiphone Serial Number Decoder

Type your serial against the site to check whether it matches. But the site isn't accurate since serials can also be replicated.

A picture of the guitar would help alot.
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Making fake Epiphones would rank just below counterfeit pennies.
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Re: how to spot fake epis

Lol. Ok but I do have one question. My epi custom does have its insides sprayed black! I'll post pictures when I actually have time to take them.

But I bought the guitar new from Ishibashi and had it shipped. I don't doubt its authenticity and it does play great, but I do wonder why it was painted black, to hide the low grade woods used probably?.

This was the picture before they sent the guitar, had her for a couple months now and just changed to a graphite nut and considering electric upgrades and pickup change.



It was an EE serial btw.
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The black paint is shielding paint.
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Making fake Epiphones would rank just below counterfeit pennies.
Agreed, Geesh Anybody who tried this woul surely be a bunch of sandwich's shy of a picnic basket
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Re: how to spot fake epis

This will come as a shock to many of you I guess, but there was a problem w/ fake Epi's being sold in Korea while they were being produced there. Gibson/Epiphone had a press release of some sort on the Epi website a while back after someone had found that their "Epiphone" LP had a particle board body. I was stationed in Korea at this time, and bought a number of "unlicensed" legitimate Epiphone guitars that had come out the "back door" of the Unsung factory where they were being made. So... FYI - there ARE "fake" as well as "unlicensed" Epiphone guitars out there...
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Here ya go, folks:

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Re: how to spot fake epis

Here's an example of an "unlicensed" Epi - you may call it fake if you'd like, but it really isn't. Made in the Unsung factory in Korea (where Epi was made at the time), using Epiphone parts - its like a frankenstien. Studio body w/ goth finish on a Standard neck w/ trap inlays. I got this right after Epi packed up and moved to China - so the boys at the factory were probably just getting rid of odds and ends and making some cash on the side:

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And, why unlicensed or fake Epi's?? Because the factories in Korea that have made Epiphones already "know how" to make them - via OEM. There are tons of factories over there, making fakes of all kinds. I have some good "looking" Fender fakes that I got over there as well (not "real" like my unlicensed Epis, but particle board, etc, fakes - got 'em cheap). Combine the fact that they can easily be made TO SPEC in Korea with the fact that there are NO authorized Epiphone distributors in Korea, and you've got a supply and a demand for Epiphone guitars that are really hard to come by even though they're made there.

Bunk serial number on this one - but it IS a legitimately constructed Epiphone LP Custom. My Gibson dealer has been all over this one - down to engraving on the back of the pups, this is a "real" Epi - but was snuck off the wall and out the back door of the factory: (my Elitist is on the right...)



Sorry for "ranting" here, but I thought that my experience of having lived in Korea for a number of years, right at the transition from Epi Korea to Epi China would be interesting to some of you.

You can be sure that some of those "unlicensed" and "fake" guitars make it to the USA... if anything, because guys like me bring them here!

My old landlord playing my Custom:


My Custom and my Casino (which checks out, 100%, by the way!):


My fake Fender that I repainted as a project...

My buddy's is in the background:
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Re: how to spot fake epis

i cant see those pics eh.. might be cos im at work...
the serial number is the one at the back of the head yeh?
cos mine is just numbers.. no EE
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i cant see those pics eh.. might be cos im at work...
the serial number is the one at the back of the head yeh?
cos mine is just numbers.. no EE
The pix are good - must be your work computer.

Lots of us have White LP Customs, huh!?

Serial numbers are different depending on where they were made - EE is Qingdao China.
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so if it doesn have letters... its not necessarily a fake?

im nervous.. ill be gutted if its a fake.
i read somewhere that fakes serial number font is usually bigger than authentic ones?

i dont have my guitar here cos im at work.. i know its just digits... 10 something i think from memory??
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You're not very likely to get a fake here in the USA - just different SN formats for different factories. I'll look in to it real quick here...
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Re: how to spot fake epis

I think you're probably good - 8 numbers, you think?

For example, this number: 88014684

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January c.1988
Production Number: 4684


My "unlicensed" LP Custom has "00" in the "month" portion of the SN - sneaky! They had to get 'em through without "missing" any numbered guitar, I'm sure - so a little change like that is pretty easy to do!
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im in Australia. lol
the sale was from an East Coast (Aus) online store but it was actually shipped from china.
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ill check as soon as i get home...
so guitardater has EVERYTHING??
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