The Fake Epiphone Thread! - Page 9

sbaker · 07-03-2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GNR4EVR

Thanks for the comparison and the pics, bro. Very helpful. Everyone can see where were coming from now.

I just messaged the guy on eBay to try and get a refund. We'll see what happens. If he resists, I'll need to get eBay and PayPal involved. If anyone has info on the best way to do that, I would appreciate it.

Sean.

McVeyMac · 07-03-2008, 09:24 AM

Sorry sbaker for the toubles you now find yourself in. Try your best to get a full refund including return shipping. If the seller does not accomodate you, make sure you utilize the PayPal refund policy as much as you can to get satisfaction, report the seller to eBay for selling you counterfeit goods and I would go so far as to press charges with the FBI as this was interstate counterfeiting.

Lesson learned huh, expensive one, but learned well. Luckily my lesson did not cost me anything when I ended up with a fake from eBay because the seller refunded everything for me including return shipping. He honestly thought he was selling a legit guitar.

Another suggestion concerning buying from eBay, make sure the seller will refund 100% of your purchase price including return shipping if the guitar turns out to be fake. Get this assurance before you bid. If they do not agree, go elsewhere.

Sinmastah · 07-03-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by GNR4EVR

Thanks for the comparison and the pics, bro. Very helpful. Everyone can see where were coming from now.

Yeah man, that was a pretty good fake too, hopefully you can get the full refund, best of luck.

GNR4EVR · 07-03-2008, 08:12 PM

Another fake...
New Epiphone Les Paul Custom Red Wine Plus-Top - eBay (item 260257554014 end time Jul-03-08 23:23:43 PDT)
Is it just me, or does it seem like quite a few of these are coming from Australia? Whats up with that? Customs issues maybe?
Reported his other two guitars too.

GNR4EVR · 07-03-2008, 08:27 PM

Nuther fake- GUess from where? Australia again.

New Epiphone Les Paul Custom Red Wine Plus-Top - eBay (item 260257554014 end time Jul-03-08 23:23:43 PDT)

Reported
Reported his two others as well.

GNR4EVR · 07-03-2008, 08:38 PM

Another fake:
Epiphone Les Paul Custom Plus Vintage Sunburst - eBay (item 230265977356 end time Jul-04-08 04:03:19 PDT)
Gee, from Australia! Imagine that.
Reported, and his 3 other guitars as well.

GNR4EVR · 07-03-2008, 08:59 PM

ANother fake- Gee, from.. Australia?

Epiphone Les Paul Black Beauty Electric Guitar NEW - eBay (item 110267086294 end time Jul-05-08 17:00:00 PDT)
Reported
Reported his other Zakk Wilde guitar too.

Sinmastah · 07-03-2008, 09:43 PM

Damn man, you are on fire, Way to go man. I am freaking sick of all these fakes though. This is pathetic. I reported all those Epis too, we need to get them off eBay and send a message to sellers that people are on the look out.

dennistruckdriver · 07-03-2008, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sbaker

I just messaged the guy on eBay to try and get a refund. We'll see what happens. If he resists, I'll need to get eBay and PayPal involved. If anyone has info on the best way to do that, I would appreciate it.

Sean.

On eBay, go to the Dispute Console, and follow directions.
On PayPal, go to the Resolution Center, and click on 'Report a Problem'.
I have had to do it, it is not that hard.
If you used a Visa card #, you can get Visa involved also.

dennistruckdriver · 07-03-2008, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinmastah

......I am freaking sick of all these fakes......
.......we need to get them off eBay and send a message to sellers that people are on the look out.......

Me too.

Lynyrd77Skynyrd · 07-04-2008, 09:27 AM

Ebay could employ a permanent person to sit there deleting fakes all day. If there are so many fake guitars on there think how much other stuff there is! Ebay needs to clean up it's act quickly or they will find themselves on the end of a very large fine for all this knock-off gear.

GNR4EVR · 07-04-2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Lynyrd77Skynyrd

Ebay could employ a permanent person to sit there deleting fakes all day. If there are so many fake guitars on there think how much other stuff there is! Ebay needs to clean up it's act quickly or they will find themselves on the end of a very large fine for all this knock-off gear.

Agreed. I think they owe us a huge thank you of biblical proportions. Or maybe Ill get tired one day and quit, who knows........ NAH!

Big_dawg · 07-04-2008, 10:04 AM

trouble is it pays ebay not to take them off, they dont earn money on people not selling things. They know full well people are selling all types of fake goods via them, and yes they shoudl have a team of people scouring for fake items but they wont, they rely on their little disclaimer when you list an item so they can try and pass the buck.

A few more high profile sueings (maybe from gibson) may make them take some action...

GNR4EVR · 07-04-2008, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Big_dawg

trouble is it pays ebay not to take them off, they dont earn money on people not selling things. They know full well people are selling all types of fake goods via them, and yes they shoudl have a team of people scouring for fake items but they wont, they rely on their little disclaimer when you list an item so they can try and pass the buck.

A few more high profile sueings (maybe from gibson) may make them take some action...

Thinkin thats what needs to happen. Its only a matter of time. The Feds go after child forced laborers that are making 10.00 fake Levis, why not 300.00 guitars? Besides, were getting visibility out there, because the auctioners are changing their game based on what weve said in here. So a lot is happening.

By the way, your quote tears me up every time I read it...

Big_dawg · 07-04-2008, 10:18 AM

I try to please...

GNR4EVR · 07-04-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Big_dawg

I try to please...

Well done...

Sinster · 07-04-2008, 09:53 PM

Is the knobs aligning with the stop a dead give away? I see a lot on ebay with the knobs aligning up but everything on the headstock looks normal..

Sinmastah · 07-04-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinster

Is the knobs aligning with the stop a dead give away? I see a lot on ebay with the knobs aligning up but everything on the headstock looks normal..

Nah they can vary, if you are curious about a guitar post it on here, and me GNR and a couple other guys will take a look at it and give you the verdict.

BTW 500!!!!

Gunner · 07-04-2008, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinmastah

Nah they can vary, if you are curious about a guitar post it on here, and me GNR and a couple other guys will take a look at it and give you the verdict.

BTW 500!!!!

Nice 500! Another Fraudster revealed. Congratulations.

Sinmastah · 07-04-2008, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Younggun

Nice 500! Another Fraudster revealed. Congratulations.

Who?

Sinster · 07-04-2008, 10:04 PM

I also want to train my eye to catch them.. Just in case I'm no where by a computer and it's a great deal.
How about this one.. The knobs don't look right.
Epiphone Les Paul - eBay (item 180259318875 end time Jul-05-08 13:22:14 PDT)

Sinmastah · 07-04-2008, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinster

I also want to train my eye to catch them.. Just in case I'm no where by a computer and it's a great deal.
How about this one.. The knobs don't look right.
Epiphone Les Paul - eBay (item 180259318875 end time Jul-05-08 13:22:14 PDT)

Its legit. The knobs are pretty much perfect, or at least what I can see of them. Also it seems like the listing is also legit, nothing that raises any alarms. You should ask for a headstock pic tho.

Sinster · 07-04-2008, 10:10 PM

This one is fake for sure..
Epiphone Les Paul Custom Alpine White - eBay (item 200236193430 end time Jul-09-08 18:28:07 PDT)

You guys should put together like a quiz which one is fake and which one is real type of thing..

Sinmastah · 07-04-2008, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinster

This one is fake for sure..
Epiphone Les Paul Custom Alpine White - eBay (item 200236193430 end time Jul-09-08 18:28:07 PDT)

You guys should put together like a quiz which one is fake and which one is real type of thing..

That looks like the pics I had earlier. It is fake on so many levels, its not even close. Reported and I sent a message to the seller asking why he is selling the worst fake I have ever seen yet.

GNR4EVR · 07-04-2008, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinster

This one is fake for sure..
Epiphone Les Paul Custom Alpine White - eBay (item 200236193430 end time Jul-09-08 18:28:07 PDT)

You guys should put together like a quiz which one is fake and which one is real type of thing..

Well, I can only tell you this, the customs all have identical faults and the standards and studios have the identical faults. Theyre obviously coming from the same place. BUt that one is indeed fake.
Reported.

Gunner · 07-04-2008, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinster

This one is fake for sure..
Epiphone Les Paul Custom Alpine White - eBay (item 200236193430 end time Jul-09-08 18:28:07 PDT)

You guys should put together like a quiz which one is fake and which one is real type of thing..

Whats amazing is the fact they cant get the first two letters of the serial numbers the same size as the rest. Its always that big Double EE that gives them away. Remember a lot of these guys on Ebay are buying these fakes wholesale and having them "drop shipped" to the auction winner. They are making a huge profit. I was on one Chinese site where they were selling this Custom for around 220.00 and offering them cheaper if you wanted to be a distributer for North America. There's money to be made by these illegal fraudsters and that does not create a rosy future for the consumer. Just say no to Payress and all the other manufacturers of fakes.

Sinmastah · 07-04-2008, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Younggun

Whats amazing is the fact they cant get the first two letters of the serial numbers the same size as the rest. Its always that big Double EE that gives them away. Remember a lot of these guys on Ebay are buying these fakes wholesale and having them "drop shipped" to the auction winner. They are making a huge profit. I was on one Chinese site where they were selling this Custom for around 220.00 and offering them cheaper if you wanted to be a distributer for North America. There's money to be made by these illegal fraudsters and that does not create a rosy future for the consumer. Just say no to Payress and all the other manufacturers of fakes.

Yup, thats one thing I like when spotting these fake guitars, I should take a Pic of that serial number thing and add it to the picture list.

Gunner · 07-04-2008, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinmastah

Who?

Not you! I meant all the bad guys this thread is exposing on Ebay. Its good work.

Sinmastah · 07-04-2008, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Younggun

Not you! I meant all the bad guys this thread is exposing on Ebay. Its good work.

Phew

. GNR is doing a lot of this, I just used my amazing photoshop skills to crop the photos and copy and paste them! GNR skims eBay, I think a lot of people should be thanking him!

BTW if anyone is wondering about my broken Epi that was supposed to be getting back like 4 weeks ago, I am picking it up Tuesday. The guy is sorry about the delays, but a lot of things have come up that he didn't see coming. He got the guitar fixed, and he says it is stronger than it was before, and because of the delay he is giving me an hour lesson for free. Score 1

Sinster · 07-04-2008, 10:44 PM

I'm glad I found this place... I would never thought that Epi's would be counterfeited. Now when I cruise craigslist I can have a better chance of not getting a fake.

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07-03-2008, 09:24 AM	#242 (permalink)
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GNR4EVR Epi Verification Expert Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern Maryland (No, Im not a SMIB) Posts: 7,248 Thanks: 321 Thanked 337 Times in 58 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread! Another fake... New Epiphone Les Paul Custom Red Wine Plus-Top - eBay (item 260257554014 end time Jul-03-08 23:23:43 PDT) Is it just me, or does it seem like quite a few of these are coming from Australia? Whats up with that? Customs issues maybe? Reported his other two guitars too. __________________ 2005 Epiphone Elitist Standard Plus Honeyburst *MOJO-ED!* Dean Hardtail Red Tiger Fender squire Bass Morell jumbo accoustic Marshall Micro Stack

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GNR4EVR Epi Verification Expert Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern Maryland (No, Im not a SMIB) Posts: 7,248 Thanks: 321 Thanked 337 Times in 58 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread! Nuther fake- GUess from where? Australia again. New Epiphone Les Paul Custom Red Wine Plus-Top - eBay (item 260257554014 end time Jul-03-08 23:23:43 PDT) Reported Reported his two others as well. __________________ 2005 Epiphone Elitist Standard Plus Honeyburst *MOJO-ED!* Dean Hardtail Red Tiger Fender squire Bass Morell jumbo accoustic Marshall Micro Stack

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07-03-2008, 08:59 PM	#247 (permalink)
GNR4EVR Epi Verification Expert Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern Maryland (No, Im not a SMIB) Posts: 7,248 Thanks: 321 Thanked 337 Times in 58 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread! ANother fake- Gee, from.. Australia? Epiphone Les Paul Black Beauty Electric Guitar NEW - eBay (item 110267086294 end time Jul-05-08 17:00:00 PDT) Reported Reported his other Zakk Wilde guitar too. __________________ 2005 Epiphone Elitist Standard Plus Honeyburst *MOJO-ED!* Dean Hardtail Red Tiger Fender squire Bass Morell jumbo accoustic Marshall Micro Stack

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Sinmastah Epi Verification Expert Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Minnesota. Posts: 16,463 Thanks: 8 Thanked 618 Times in 109 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread! Damn man, you are on fire, Way to go man. I am freaking sick of all these fakes though. This is pathetic. I reported all those Epis too, we need to get them off eBay and send a message to sellers that people are on the look out. __________________ Epiphone Elitist SG Faded Cherry(Jonesey'd and WB'd) Epiphone Elitist SG Faded Brown (EMG's) Epiphone MIJ Les Paul Ebony LQ Fender Mexi Oly White Strat Squier Natural Vintage M Jazz bass Peavey Classic 50 SG's FTW

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Big_dawg Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: the Thames Delta.... Posts: 2,044 Thanks: 19 Thanked 19 Times in 8 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread! trouble is it pays ebay not to take them off, they dont earn money on people not selling things. They know full well people are selling all types of fake goods via them, and yes they shoudl have a team of people scouring for fake items but they wont, they rely on their little disclaimer when you list an item so they can try and pass the buck. A few more high profile sueings (maybe from gibson) may make them take some action... __________________ t'sall Good ---------------------------------------------------- And Jesus said 'come forth and you shall receive eternal life'.... But I came fifth and only got the toaster ---------------------------------------------------- But damn I got another guitar....

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Big_dawg Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: the Thames Delta.... Posts: 2,044 Thanks: 19 Thanked 19 Times in 8 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread! I try to please... __________________ t'sall Good ---------------------------------------------------- And Jesus said 'come forth and you shall receive eternal life'.... But I came fifth and only got the toaster ---------------------------------------------------- But damn I got another guitar....

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Sinster Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: M*ssholechusetts Posts: 7,131 Thanks: 81 Thanked 287 Times in 117 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread! Is the knobs aligning with the stop a dead give away? I see a lot on ebay with the knobs aligning up but everything on the headstock looks normal..

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Sinster Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: M*ssholechusetts Posts: 7,131 Thanks: 81 Thanked 287 Times in 117 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread! I also want to train my eye to catch them.. Just in case I'm no where by a computer and it's a great deal. How about this one.. The knobs don't look right. Epiphone Les Paul - eBay (item 180259318875 end time Jul-05-08 13:22:14 PDT)

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Sinster Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: M*ssholechusetts Posts: 7,131 Thanks: 81 Thanked 287 Times in 117 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread! This one is fake for sure.. Epiphone Les Paul Custom Alpine White - eBay (item 200236193430 end time Jul-09-08 18:28:07 PDT) You guys should put together like a quiz which one is fake and which one is real type of thing..

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Sinster Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: M*ssholechusetts Posts: 7,131 Thanks: 81 Thanked 287 Times in 117 Posts	Re: The Fake Epiphone Thread! I'm glad I found this place... I would never thought that Epi's would be counterfeited. Now when I cruise craigslist I can have a better chance of not getting a fake.

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