will historic parts fit my epi?

1959lespaul · 11-15-2010, 07:25 PM

^^ title says it all

martin6string · 11-15-2010, 07:30 PM

Which parts? I *think* the plastic will and *pretty sure* the hardware won't (i.e. bridge, tailpiece).

1959lespaul · 11-15-2010, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by martin6string

Which parts? I *think* the plastic will and *pretty sure* the hardware won't (i.e. bridge, tailpiece).

I was asking about the plastics. Also do you know what kind of pots I would need to buy to upgrade my epi (Long, or short shaft, etc.)?

Drew224 · 11-15-2010, 08:08 PM

I've heard short shaft is fine, but don't take my word on it.

dave-m · 11-15-2010, 08:15 PM

Plastic parts made for a Gibson LP are not a direct fit for Epiphone LP's. You can make a pickguard work with some sanding, never tried the cover plates.

As for pots, Epi's use short shafts, although I have installed long shafts into mine, you can use a washer and nut on the control cavity side of the pot to set the distance it will protrude through the hole.

lp_junkie · 11-15-2010, 08:18 PM

Rule of thumb, if it's made to fit Gibsons it will not fit Epis.

Historic parts don't even fit on the regular line of USA Gibson Les Pauls without work.

Gibson plastics will not fit without some modifications (plugging old screw holes and drilling new ones, Truss Rod covers do not fit, back covers do not fit.

hardware does not fit without modification to either the parts or plug and fill the holes in the top.

The pots in Epis are metric, 6mm diameter short shaft, Gibson pots can be long or short depending upon era, and are 3/8 inch diameter, conversion to imperial parts requires enlarging the holes, same with the toggle switch have to make the hole bigger to fit a real Switchcraft switch.

shtdaprdtr · 11-15-2010, 08:39 PM

It will if you make it? Get what Im saying. Historic parts dont even fit USA models but I force bent the pickup rings and screwed in the TR cover. You can drill for the TR cover. Put a piece of sandpaper (grain facing up) on the area where the pickup ring will sit and rub the pickup ring back and forth till it takes the shape of the topcarve, then screw it in..you might have to have some screws at an angle or redrill. Tailpiece should be good and I would plug the hole for the bridge and redrill or thread a bolt in, cut the head, drill into the bolt shaft for an ABR-1 and tap for the studs. enlarge the holes slightly with a reamer for better pots and youre ready to go.

GitFiddle · 11-15-2010, 08:45 PM

Epi Electronics upgrade question

ptate · 11-16-2010, 06:53 AM

It all fits......

The only changes you may need to do involve buying a set of bridge post adapters (reducer from Epi to 4mm shaft) if you put an ABR1 on there, a Gotoh or metric lightweight tailpiece (or replace the bushes for US) and possibly (maybe not) redrilling for the pup ring holes.

Pots, short shaft; but check using a pencil pushed through the existing hole, then put your thumb up against the back of the maple when the tip is showing on the front face. Take a measurement and if it's around 5mm, short will do the job.

As for the holes, the switch(craft) and (CTS) pots will mean widening them slightly to accomodate the extra diameter (about 2mm overall). Put sandpaper around a pencil shaft (I like pencils..!), place it through the hole and sand it out slowly until you reach the desired size.

Tuners should be 10mm, rather than US Gibson, but you can buy adapter bushes...So not a problem.

Good luck.

Peace

sasquatch · 11-16-2010, 07:39 AM

I've read the historic PG will fit an Epi.

-=[Shifty]=- · 11-16-2010, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ptate

It all fits......

The only changes you may need to do involve buying a set of bridge post adapters (reducer from Epi to 4mm shaft) if you put an ABR1 on there, a Gotoh or metric lightweight tailpiece (or replace the bushes for US) and possibly (maybe not) redrilling for the pup ring holes.

Pots, short shaft; but check using a pencil pushed through the existing hole, then put your thumb up against the back of the maple when the tip is showing on the front face. Take a measurement and if it's around 5mm, short will do the job.

As for the holes, the switch(craft) and (CTS) pots will mean widening them slightly to accomodate the extra diameter (about 2mm overall). Put sandpaper around a pencil shaft (I like pencils..!), place it through the hole and sand it out slowly until you reach the desired size.

Tuners should be 10mm, rather than US Gibson, but you can buy adapter bushes...So not a problem.

Good luck.

Peace

So, bottom line is...nothing fits, unless you make it fit.

ptate · 11-16-2010, 01:03 PM

'Spose............If you put it like that......

ElhazGuy · 11-16-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by -=[Shifty]=-

So, bottom line is...nothing fits, unless you make it fit.

Basically, yes.

shtdaprdtr · 11-16-2010, 05:48 PM

Uh..thats pretty much what I said.

EpiLesPaul59 · 11-16-2010, 06:11 PM

use toothpicks and some wood glue to fill in the stock epi pup ring holes. thats how I got mine to fit...

Blues Jam · 11-17-2010, 11:33 AM

I have put a Gibson USA pickguard and more recently a Gibson Historic pickguard on my '99 Epi standard plus. Both pickguards needed to be modified (sanded) to fit properly around the standard Epi pickup rings.

I also have an Historic TRC. Fits fine. Just use the 1 screw hole at the top. If you tighten it enough the one screw will hold it in place fine. Mine has never moved.

So yes, as everyone else has previously stated, you can MAKE anything fit, but it will require a little fiddling.

LEFTY LES · 11-17-2010, 09:15 PM

I would just leave it alone. No ones gonna know what plastic parts are on your guitar except you. They pretty much look the same anyway and its not worth the aggravation. You'll probably just end up jacking up your perfectly good guitar. I just don't see the point.....

But of course, your guitar do what you like. Just seems silly to me is all...

Now pots and caps, yea go for it. talk to member Jonesy. He'll hook you up with the good stuff bud.

rockstar232007 · 11-17-2010, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LEFTY LES

I would just leave it alone. No ones gonna know what plastic parts are on your guitar except you. They pretty much look the same anyway and its not worth the aggravation. You'll probably just end up jacking up your perfectly good guitar. I just don't see the point.....

But of course, your guitar do what you like. Just seems silly to me is all...

Now pots and caps, yea go for it. talk to member Jonesy. He'll hook you up with the good stuff bud.

+1.

The stock pickup rings on my '02 Epi LP St+ are actually the same size (hight) as Gibson historic rings. The only differences are that the screw holes are about 2mm wider (metric) than the Historic/Gibson USA (imperial) width, and that fact that the Epi rings are cheap POC. Also, whatever you do, DON'T overtighten the screws...especially the ones at the top of the neck pickup.

And as many people have said, Epi and Gibson parts are NOT interchangeable without few moddifications.

excessive81 · 11-19-2010, 06:53 AM

I found that a dremel tapered grinding stone is perfect size for opening holes in epi for pots n switch. Much faster then doing by hand and no chance of busting up the finish like with drill.... they like 2.99$

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dave-m Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 529 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: will historic parts fit my epi? Plastic parts made for a Gibson LP are not a direct fit for Epiphone LP's. You can make a pickguard work with some sanding, never tried the cover plates. As for pots, Epi's use short shafts, although I have installed long shafts into mine, you can use a washer and nut on the control cavity side of the pot to set the distance it will protrude through the hole. __________________ Epi Joe Bonamassa Signature Goldtop Epi Les Paul Standard 1959 Faded Iced Tea 2009 Epi Les Paul Standard Plus Top Heritage Cherry Sunburst 2008 Epi Les Paul Custom Plus Vintage Sunburst 2009 Fender MIM Strat Brown Sunburst Rosewood Neck Traynor Darkhorse 15H/Darkhorse 112 Cab Vox VT30 Fulltone Clyde Deluxe Wah Fulltone Robin Trower Overdrive MXR EVH Phase 90 t.c. electronics ND-1 Nova Delay t.c. electronics Polytune

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lp_junkie Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 10,561 Thanks: 66 Thanked 238 Times in 53 Posts	Re: will historic parts fit my epi? Rule of thumb, if it's made to fit Gibsons it will not fit Epis. Historic parts don't even fit on the regular line of USA Gibson Les Pauls without work. Gibson plastics will not fit without some modifications (plugging old screw holes and drilling new ones, Truss Rod covers do not fit, back covers do not fit. hardware does not fit without modification to either the parts or plug and fill the holes in the top. The pots in Epis are metric, 6mm diameter short shaft, Gibson pots can be long or short depending upon era, and are 3/8 inch diameter, conversion to imperial parts requires enlarging the holes, same with the toggle switch have to make the hole bigger to fit a real Switchcraft switch. __________________ --------------------------------------------------- Shane Just a guitar bum...........

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shtdaprdtr Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: new york Posts: 3,079 Thanks: 2 Thanked 29 Times in 14 Posts	Re: will historic parts fit my epi? It will if you make it? Get what Im saying. Historic parts dont even fit USA models but I force bent the pickup rings and screwed in the TR cover. You can drill for the TR cover. Put a piece of sandpaper (grain facing up) on the area where the pickup ring will sit and rub the pickup ring back and forth till it takes the shape of the topcarve, then screw it in..you might have to have some screws at an angle or redrill. Tailpiece should be good and I would plug the hole for the bridge and redrill or thread a bolt in, cut the head, drill into the bolt shaft for an ABR-1 and tap for the studs. enlarge the holes slightly with a reamer for better pots and youre ready to go.

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11-16-2010, 06:53 AM	#9 (permalink)
ptate V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK Posts: 3,594 Thanks: 121 Thanked 243 Times in 71 Posts	Re: will historic parts fit my epi? It all fits...... The only changes you may need to do involve buying a set of bridge post adapters (reducer from Epi to 4mm shaft) if you put an ABR1 on there, a Gotoh or metric lightweight tailpiece (or replace the bushes for US) and possibly (maybe not) redrilling for the pup ring holes. Pots, short shaft; but check using a pencil pushed through the existing hole, then put your thumb up against the back of the maple when the tip is showing on the front face. Take a measurement and if it's around 5mm, short will do the job. As for the holes, the switch(craft) and (CTS) pots will mean widening them slightly to accomodate the extra diameter (about 2mm overall). Put sandpaper around a pencil shaft (I like pencils..!), place it through the hole and sand it out slowly until you reach the desired size. Tuners should be 10mm, rather than US Gibson, but you can buy adapter bushes...So not a problem. Good luck. Peace __________________ - www.facebook.com/MississippiRelic -

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ptate V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK Posts: 3,594 Thanks: 121 Thanked 243 Times in 71 Posts	Re: will historic parts fit my epi? 'Spose............If you put it like that...... __________________ - www.facebook.com/MississippiRelic -

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shtdaprdtr Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: new york Posts: 3,079 Thanks: 2 Thanked 29 Times in 14 Posts	Re: will historic parts fit my epi? Uh..thats pretty much what I said.

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EpiLesPaul59 Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 69 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 1 Post	Re: will historic parts fit my epi? use toothpicks and some wood glue to fill in the stock epi pup ring holes. thats how I got mine to fit...

11-17-2010, 11:33 AM	#16 (permalink)
Blues Jam Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Philly suburbs Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: will historic parts fit my epi? I have put a Gibson USA pickguard and more recently a Gibson Historic pickguard on my '99 Epi standard plus. Both pickguards needed to be modified (sanded) to fit properly around the standard Epi pickup rings. I also have an Historic TRC. Fits fine. Just use the 1 screw hole at the top. If you tighten it enough the one screw will hold it in place fine. Mine has never moved. So yes, as everyone else has previously stated, you can MAKE anything fit, but it will require a little fiddling.

11-17-2010, 09:15 PM	#17 (permalink)
LEFTY LES Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,658 Thanks: 96 Thanked 154 Times in 27 Posts	Re: will historic parts fit my epi? I would just leave it alone. No ones gonna know what plastic parts are on your guitar except you. They pretty much look the same anyway and its not worth the aggravation. You'll probably just end up jacking up your perfectly good guitar. I just don't see the point..... But of course, your guitar do what you like. Just seems silly to me is all... Now pots and caps, yea go for it. talk to member Jonesy. He'll hook you up with the good stuff bud. __________________ She promised and she vowed that she never would deceive me But the devil's in the women for they never can be easy

11-19-2010, 06:53 AM	#19 (permalink)
excessive81 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 361 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: will historic parts fit my epi? I found that a dremel tapered grinding stone is perfect size for opening holes in epi for pots n switch. Much faster then doing by hand and no chance of busting up the finish like with drill.... they like 2.99$

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