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Unread 05-16-2008, 11:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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im buying pots to replace the broken stock ones on my epi. i still have the stock pickups in it and im wondering if it's possible to have coil taps? is it worth it or should i go the regular pot route. what value cap's do i need to buy.

oh yeah for those who read i said im sending it back. well i didn't get around to it yet. infact im gonna keep my honey burst. it's too risky sending it to musicians friend and having it sent back because the broken pot.
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Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!!! epiphone rewire?

In order to coil tap you need some pickups with 4 conductors so no you won't be able to do that with the stock Epiphone pickups. I've thought about doing it with mine but don't feel like buyiong new pots at the moment heh. You can get a new set of Alpha pots but if you're really going to go through with it (especially since you have the Gibson top hat knobs) you might as well get some CTS pots
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where do i get those from? is stewart mac a good place to buy pots?
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Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!!! epiphone rewire?

I'm not sure what type of pots Stewmac uses but here's a site that sells CTS pots Guitar Nucleus - Electronics
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Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!!! epiphone rewire?

wow the pots at stew mac are way more expensive then those.
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Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!!! epiphone rewire?

From recent experience. GO to RS guitar works and order the SUPERPOTS 500k short shaft for both volumes.
You can use Alpha or regular CTS pots for the tone.

The superpots made a worked of difference form the regular CTS pots on the volume side. Way better taper, easier turning, and all round better sounding.
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can i use all the same pots for volume and tone? if not what 500k pots do i need for volume? tone?
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where do i get those from? is stewart mac a good place to buy pots?
IMO there is nothing wrong with ALPHA pots they work as well as the CTS I have in other guitars of mine , the ALPHA are direct fit. The super pot well might be some what better but does a person really need one? how many pots are bad? Untitled Page, ya need the 500K. coil tap IMO sucks. Most HBs with a coils tap thin the sound out too much for my ear. P-90s in a guitar. Or Fender single coils in strats or teles is the way to go, In other words get another guitar for single coil sound IMO.
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are these kits ok? Electronics Wiring Upgrade Kits for Les Paul - Specialty Guitars -

and what caps are better orange drops or vitamine Q's? im upgrading both tones and volumes.
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man wheres b-squard when you need him. hahaha
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are these kits ok? Electronics Wiring Upgrade Kits for Les Paul - Specialty Guitars -

and what caps are better orange drops or vitamine Q's? im upgrading both tones and volumes.
Its OK, but to fit them (pots) you have to remove that little tab or metal sticking up on the side of the CTS pots , often called a shoulder . And you will have to ream out the holes so the fatter shafts will go through the body and lastly you will have to buy Gibson Knobs to fit those shafts. And at the end of the day you guitar will not function any better than if you used ALPHAs which do not require all that fitting crap. But hey its your guitar.
Caps, in tone freak section, a fellow did a test of many different types, good reading, most feel the Orange Drop 715P are good , and the Qs a little better.
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man wheres b-squard when you need him. hahaha
Another 13 posts and ya can PM him all day. Might be the thing ta do if IYO he is the only one worth talking to
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sorry overdriver i wasn't saying i only wanna talk to him. you guys are verry helpfull too. it's just b-squard talk to me about modding a voxac30 and seemed to know alot about caps and stuff.
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Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!!! epiphone rewire?

I could point you t a million threads, most recently mine, where i did the same thing you are doing.

Here is what I found.

1. I tried Alpha, CTS and CTS SUperpots. All 500k, all split, short shaft.

2. THE SUPERPOTS were FAR superior to the others in the VOLUME position.

3. The Alphas i found to be the best TONE pots.

4. You might have to bore out your holes a little to fit the CTS or SuperPots (i did and it is easy.)

5. If you are going to spend the money on caps, buy the real thing. Vitamin Q (sprague, NOS) not a new knockoff version. The sound is different.

6. You will pay more for superpots, but is $18 for 2 superior products really that much?

I hope this helped. I spent 4 days and countless hours soldering to come to these conclusions.
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are these kits good? Electronics Wiring Upgrade Kits for Les Paul - Specialty Guitars -
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^ only 11 more LOL ask the same ? 11 more times and it PM city.
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thanks for the help guys!!! im sorry if im anoying to anyone. im just trying to get the best advice for my guitar.
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thanks for the help guys!!! im sorry if im anoying to anyone.http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/images/icons/icon9.gif im just trying to get the best advice for my guitar.
That OK just having fun with you. And for the last time that kit although requires some fitting deals is a good one. The short shaft ones that is. Changing pots and caps is the IMO least thing to concern yourself with some guys never use tone controls some could care less what they are , they use volume control and or amp setting and playing style set their tone. Some do not even have tone controls hooked up at all.
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I have never tried them. I would still recommend going for an RS kit that uses superpots. They are just worth it in my opinion.

This RS Guitarworks Online Store

or

This

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or you could buy the wire, pots and switch separate and then pickup NOS Vit Q's or other Oil in Paper caps from elsewhere.
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i use my tone controlls in the studio alot. also i play christian worship rock. ex, chris tomlin, hillsong, starfield. im having a guitar tech put them in and this time it's not the same guy who broke my damn pot. i just need the pots and caps the wiring isn't of any concern to me because it doesn't really affect the sound right? the tech is doing it for free becasue he's a good friend of mine. can i get a set of alpha's under $40-50. also does alot of wood have to come out for the cts pots to fit?
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i use my tone controlls in the studio alot. also i play christian worship rock. ex, chris tomlin, hillsong, starfield. im having a guitar tech put them in and this time it's not the same guy who broke my damn pot. i just need the pots and caps the wiring isn't of any concern to me because it doesn't really affect the sound right? the tech is doing it for free becasue he's a good friend of mine. can i get a set of alpha's under $40-50. also does alot of wood have to come out for the cts pots to fit?
Not a lot for wood no ,new knobs yes, you see the CTS shafts spline is different than the Alpha ,& most offshore pots as found in Epis, but if your tech or near by shop has CTS and Gibson knobs maybe cheaper than ordering any thing, But again if you want new caps and wire vintage stlye you are going to pay shipping any way.

Can ya get Alpha for under 40-50 $ LOL Untitled Page if you are not going to look up the stuff I post whats the sense LOL, CTS pots are only 3$-4$ a piece also.

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Not a lot for wood no ,new knobs yes, you see the CTS shafts spline is different than the Alpha ,& most offshore pots as found in Epis, but if your tech or near by shop has CTS and Gibson knobs maybe cheaper than ordering any thing, But again if you want new caps and wire vintage stlye you are going to pay shipping any way.

Can ya get Alpha for under 40-50 $ LOL Untitled Page if you are not going to look up the stuff I post thats the sense LOL, CTS pots are only 3$-4$ a piece also.
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Last time I will say it though.
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Not a lot for wood no ,new knobs yes, you see the CTS shafts spline is different than the Alpha ,& most offshore pots as found in Epis, but if your tech or near by shop has CTS and Gibson knobs maybe cheaper than ordering any thing, But again if you want new caps and wire vintage stlye you are going to pay shipping any way.

Can ya get Alpha for under 40-50 $ LOL Untitled Page if you are not going to look up the stuff I post thats the sense LOL, CTS pots are only 3$-4$ a piece also.
+1.

Last time I will say it though. Superpots are worth the $9 a piece. The taper is much nicer.

Super/alpha combo is a winner. You just need to get 2 new knobs of the Gibson/CTS variety.
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same thing. CHeck the link.

Pot replacement

orAll my pots are junk!
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the wiring isn't of any concern to me because it doesn't really affect the sound right?
I would recommend putting in some better wire. Some of that stock Epi wire is pretty thin and cheap, computer wire. I wouldn't want to strangle the signal. I've got some of the braided 22 gauge wire that I'm using in mine.
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so corect me if im wrong. cts pots require reeming the holes and can only use gibson knobs. so what do gibson les paul standerds have in them as far as pots. im trying to make my epi look and sound as close to a gibby as possible. im thinking about buying a full kit(pots, wiring, caps, and toggle switch).
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so corect me if im wrong. cts pots require reeming the holes and can only use gibson knobs. so what do gibson les paul standerds have in them as far as pots. im trying to make my epi look and sound as close to a gibby as possible. im thinking about buying a full kit(pots, wiring, caps, and toggle switch).
yes, you have to make the holes a little bigger. Knobs don't actually have to be the Gibson brand, most replacement knobs are for Gibsons. They just need to be standard size, not metric. Gibson uses cts pots.
A kit might be the way you'd want to go, alot of people like the RS kits. I didn't get a kit, I bought the parts from different places in order to get exactly what I wanted. I'm waiting on some parts though so I have no hands on experience, only theory.
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The knobs look exactly the same and will be indistinguishable to the eye. The only difference is the spline (the width of notches that fit over the top of the shaft)

Alpha are metric. CTS are US

You might have to bore out the holes a little bit for CTS. The sound diff between CTS and Alpha is pretty much non existent. The Alpha have better taper in my opinion, unless you go with RS CTS superpots (those have the best taper)

Gibson use Chinese made Gibson Pots. They are pretty much the same thing as CTS Pots with a brass shaft (which is what Superpots have). Older standards use CTS.

Can you tell which knobs are which?
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The knobs look exactly the same and will be indistinguishable to the eye. The only difference is the spline (the width of notches that fit over the top of the shaft)

Alpha are metric. CTS are US

You might have to bore out the holes a little bit for CTS. The sound diff between CTS and Alpha is pretty much non existent. The Alpha have better taper in my opinion, unless you go with RS CTS superpots (those have the best taper)

Gibson use Chinese made Gibson Pots. They are pretty much the same thing as CTS Pots with a brass shaft (which is what Superpots have). Older standards use CTS.

Can you tell which knobs are which?
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does anyone have a link that shows how to reem the pot holes? i really want the modern rs kit with the short shaft cts pots but dont wanna chip the finish around the holes. any ideas?
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